List Mgmt. 2017 Draft Prospects

[samass03]

So you think this puts him one year ahead of the other prospects and would like to see a full time athlete perform better then the kids juggiling school and footy?

I’d think that’s a positive he will come in a better athlete in terms of his bodies preparation for the rigours of AFL footy. How does him being full time show a limit on his ceiling?

Geneuinly interested

 

[samass03]

You drafted Hunter Clark over Higgins, why ? Maybe people don't
see much scope for improvement or are spooked by the plays
like Nathan Hrovat comparisons. Nick Rippon was runner up in
the Morrish Medal to Nick Graham, Graham went in the fifties
while Rippon never got drafted. Tony Liberatore won it twice
at North and got the boot.

I picked Clark over Higgins based off his fit into our current roster and system, Higgins for me doesn’t kick enough goals/show Goal sense for a small forward. Neither thing limiting his ceiling. On my power board Higgins is above Clark, that being said I’d think Murphy/O’Brien suits us best but going either at 9 is a stretch.

Rippons biggest issue was his speed and hurt factor he was a midfield accumulator at VFL level but didn’t seem to get much love from recruiters, Richmond were interested in him though. Higgins definitely hurts team with his possessions.

 

[Dav1d]

You drafted Hunter Clark over Higgins, why ? Maybe people don't
see much scope for improvement or are spooked by the plays
like Nathan Hrovat comparisons. Nick Rippon was runner up in
the Morrish Medal to Nick Graham, Graham went in the fifties
while Rippon never got drafted. Tony Liberatore won it twice
at North and got the boot.

Lets not forget James Aish

Played in a senior SANFL Grand Final as an under 18, beautiful skills as a junior & no-one wanted him over Bontempelli, no-one.




Its not about who is the best, its about who could be the best.

 

[Dav1d]

So you think this puts him one year ahead of the other prospects and would like to see a full time athlete perform better then the kids juggiling school and footy?

I’d think that’s a positive he will come in a better athlete in terms of his bodies preparation for the rigours of AFL footy. How does him being full time show a limit on his ceiling?

Geneuinly interested

I wouldn't say that if I thought otherwise, so I am not sure I understand your first question.

I answer your second question with another question

How does handling the rigours of AFL increase his cieling?

 

[samass03]

I wouldn't say that if I thought otherwise, so I am not sure I understand your first question.

I answer your second question with another question

How does handling the rigours of AFL increase his cieling?

What I’m meaning is a young athlete whose had an extra year of real Strength and Conditioning is less likely to have injuries then a young athlete who doesn’t. Australia’s lack of professionalism in how we prepare junior athletes for professional sport, compared to the American system comes down to strength and conditioning in my opinion. All elite high schools in America have payed S&C coaches yet even our VFL clubs (semi professional) don’t have full time S&C coaches, let alone our TAC programs.

So for me Higgins having an extra year of “full time training” will help his transition into AFL training load. Which is a positive in that he has done as much as he can to avoid soft tissue injury.

 

[Dav1d]

What I’m meaning is a young athlete whose had an extra year of real Strength and Conditioning is less likely to have injuries then a young athlete who doesn’t. Australia’s lack of professionalism in how we prepare junior athletes for professional sport, compared to the American system comes down to strength and conditioning in my opinion. All elite high schools in America have payed S&C coaches yet even our VFL clubs (semi professional) don’t have full time S&C coaches, let alone our TAC programs.

So for me Higgins having an extra year of “full time training” will help his transition into AFL training load. Which is a positive in that he has done as much as he can to avoid soft tissue injury.

That I understood fine

It was why you believe that been able to stay uninjured will make him a better player when he makes the transition to AFL?



Okay, I am not sure if you're into bodybuilding but just imagine you are working full time at an office job and your only time to exercise is briefly three times a week.

Your rival is a full time body builder
He works out almost every day and for a longer time period than your schedule can allow.

You enter a body building contest with him to as a contestant, you're in the same weight/age group.

You lift about roughly equal the same amount as him, maybe just a fraction less than him.

You don't believe that you would have a far greater chance of beating your rival if you had the time to do so?

 

[samass03]

That I understood fine

It was why you believe that been able to stay uninjured will make him a better player when he makes the transition to AFL?



Okay, I am not sure if you're into bodybuilding but just imagine you are working full time at an office job and your only time to exercise is briefly three times a week.

Your rival is a full time body builder
He works out almost every day and for a longer time period than your schedule can allow.

You enter a body building contest with him to as a contestant, you're in the same weight/age group.

You lift about roughly equal the same amount as him, maybe just a fraction less than him.

You don't believe that you would have a far greater chance of beating your rival if you had the time to do so?

As to the bold part he will be able to sustain a higher Work load then other first year players from this draft allowing him to progress quicker. His first few pre seasons won’t be to build a strength base as he’s already a year ahead in developing one.

It’s the same reason as to why you would maybe stay clear of Bonar, because he’s coming off knee injuries which might worry you about his ability to stay on the track.

I’m not saying his work this year has raised his ceiling or potential but I don’t think it shows a limit to it either?

As to body building it’s almost entirely based off of genetics but if your managing to lift almost the same amount as someone whose full time dedicated to the sport whilst working a full time job I say more power to you and you probably have the genetic potential to beat them in an event.

 

[Dav1d]

As to the bold part he will be able to sustain a higher Work load then other first year players from this draft allowing him to progress quicker. His first few pre seasons won’t be to build a strength base as he’s already a year ahead in developing one.

It’s the same reason as to why you would maybe stay clear of Bonar, because he’s coming off knee injuries which might worry you about his ability to stay on the track.

I’m not saying his work this year has raised his ceiling or potential but I don’t think it shows a limit to it either?

As to body building it’s almost entirely based off of genetics but if your managing to lift almost the same amount as someone whose full time dedicated to the sport whilst working a full time job I say more power to you and you probably have the genetic potential to beat them in an event.

Fair enough

Definitely a bit skeptical on that first paragraph though, but it wouldn't be fun if we just sat here agreeing with one another

 

[samass03]

Fair enough

Definitely a bit skeptical on that first paragraph though, but it wouldn't be fun if we just sat here agreeing with one another

Check out this interview saw it get uploaded in the draft forum today.

This is with his strength coach a guy whose pretty outspoken in the industry but after watching it I got a much better impression on Higgins could see him going top 10 now

 

[GreatSouthWest]

Oh oh lads and ladies. Seems to be conjecture with this years draft crop.

 

[Royal Doulton]

What are people's thoughts regarding A Bonar now that his highlights clip is on the AFL website?

Really like him..

Would take him if he is still available at 9...
But I think he'll be picked by the Saints at 7 or 8..

 

[Royal Doulton]

Any of these will be fine by me for 9 & 16...
Preference Order:
A.Bonar
J.Brander
A.Cerra
J.Higgins
D.Fogarty
N.Murphy

On SM-G950F using BigFooty.com mobile app

 

[_M_16_]

Jordan Houlahan write up on AFL website. Like the sound of him, too bad we didn't have a pick in the 20's still. Would be a good get, contested marking up forward is a weakness of ours

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-10-27/move-over-howe-sturt-highflyer-leaps-into-draft-frame

 

[True Dog]

Jordan Houlahan write up on AFL website. Like the sound of him, too bad we didn't have a pick in the 20's still. Would be a good get, contested marking up forward is a weakness of ours

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-10-27/move-over-howe-sturt-highflyer-leaps-into-draft-frame

I'd grab him at 16 in a heartbeat in fact I think he'll be a bolter... Wouldn't surprise me someone takes him top 10?

 

[LittleG]

Check out this interview saw it get uploaded in the draft forum today.

This is with his strength coach a guy whose pretty outspoken in the industry but after watching it I got a much better impression on Higgins could see him going top 10 now

He is more advanced physically, so he should have been more dominant this year. He production wasn't way above the others. So I think that once everyone else gets the same access to S&C coaching he will be behind many of his peers.

He may have a great first year but I doubt he will be the pick of the draft by his third year.

 

[_M_16_]

I'd grab him at 16 in a heartbeat in fact I think he'll be a bolter... Wouldn't surprise me someone takes him top 10?

Could be a bolter, we do need medium sized true forwards as much as smalls. We didn't replace Stringer with Schache, we replaced a medium with a tall. The rest of our forward line is made up of guys with question marks over their heads and midfielders. Hence I'm keen as on Allen or Houlahan. Any forward with the smarts to lead, create space and mark the ball is welcome on our team

 

[Royal Doulton]

Could be a bolter, we do need medium sized true forwards as much as smalls. We didn't replace Stringer with Schache, we replaced a medium with a tall. The rest of our forward line is made up of guys with question marks over their heads and midfielders. Hence I'm keen as on Allen or Houlahan. Any forward with the smarts to lead, create space and mark the ball is welcome on our team

He does look to be a good fit for sure... a Sturt player same as Lewis Young... may as well nab Fogarty as well and form a troupe..

 

[Yojimbo]

Lets not forget James Aish

Played in a senior SANFL Grand Final as an under 18, beautiful skills as a junior & no-one wanted him over Bontempelli, no-one.




Its not about who is the best, its about who could be the best.

Happy Birthday for yesterday, i had Bont at pick 15 in his draft year our
recruiter seems to take players that storm to the line. Macrae is yet
another example from not in the team to a grand final in his draft year.
I don't see the fuss with Jack Higgins as i'm yet to see him ranked
outside the top fifteen which is good for a small guy. I think people see
the Devon Smith for Jack Higgins swap out.

 

[True Dog]

Could be a bolter, we do need medium sized true forwards as much as smalls. We didn't replace Stringer with Schache, we replaced a medium with a tall. The rest of our forward line is made up of guys with question marks over their heads and midfielders. Hence I'm keen as on Allen or Houlahan. Any forward with the smarts to lead, create space and mark the ball is welcome on our team

His contested marking is a real point of difference, something thats gold in the modern game and missing from our line up although I think we'll improve in that area with the 3 new recruits we added this off season and the improvement of English/Young/Mclean.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Obviously depends which pick they're taken at, but roughly:

Players I'd be happy with: LDU, Dow, Cerra, Rayner, Stephenson, Coffield, Brayshaw, Bonar, Murphy, Richards

Players I'd be ok with: Higgins, D. Fogarty, Allen, Constable, O'Brien, Houlahan, Bailey, Ling

Players I'd be disappointed with: Brander, Naughton, Clark, Hayes, Naish, Balta, Ballenden, L. Fogarty, Moore, Petruccelle, Worpel

 

[doggies ftw]

I wouldn't care if 9 and 16 both bust if were aiming for high ceiling players tbh. Just please for the love of god don't take any vanilla types. Our list build just doesn't need it.

 

[Beasley]

I like the look of Darcy Fogarty. Solid and strong 192cm .... and played senior footy this year.
Could be another Stringer type player.

 

[Leviticus]

I like the look of Darcy Fogarty. Solid and strong 192cm .... and played senior footy this year.
Could be another Stringer type player.

Similar size but that is the end of the comparison.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

The only thing holding me back with Allen is whether he has enough of a point of difference to succeed. On the short side for a key forward and doesn't look to have much of a reach to compensate for it, ordinary at ground level and doesn't seem to move that well for his height. At AFL level with better defenders and more congestion, does he have enough to his game to remain a scorer?

 

[Yojimbo]

The only thing holding me back with Allen is whether he has enough of a point of difference to succeed. On the short side for a key forward and doesn't look to have much of a reach to compensate for it, ordinary at ground level and doesn't seem to move that well for his height. At AFL level with better defenders and more congestion, does he have enough to his game to remain a scorer?

Fair assessment Dannnnnnnnnn, i like his work ethic and view him
as very coachable. Peter Sumich made a few comments that
usually transfer to senior level, but your points are valid.