List Mgmt. 2017 Draft Prospects

[Dry Rot]

Allen's afl.com. profile

Seems to have his head screwed on

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-11-03/tomorrows-heroes-workhorse-forward-rises-to-challenge

 

[AJARWA]

I look at that vision and see misplaced kicks without the area being heavily congested, along with some dropped marks and some interesting decisions. Getting caught isn't really an issue for mine as he's clearly very aggressive in playing on and you're going to cop that occasionally when you are. It's the kicks that worry me, some of them are under only minor pressure.

I wasn't born yesterday, I feel I have a reasonable handle on what to expect from a junior inside mid, and I don't see a bad player in that vision - but Cerra is consistently heralded as having elite skills and I just don't see it in either of those videos. I watch footage from many others in that expected top 12-15ish and see a lot more elite or potentially elite qualities.

Happy to hear alternative views on him as I'm working on a small sample size - that's why I asked - but those videos just don't show what I'm hearing about him, to me.

I had the same thoughts on Bailey watching his highlights. Breakaway pace, looks good in traffic, kicking doesn't seem so hot. Understand he's not rated as highly as cerra however.

 

[AJARWA]

What's the consensus on Clark? Seems to be in our range but not talked about much, unless I've missed it. Again just from highlights, I'd put him ahead of constable on the wish list. Good overhead, big bodied, appetite for the contest and repeat efforts. I can see what others mean when saying Constable looks vanilla. Reckon we need a bit more pace and x factor.

 

[Dav1d]

What's the consensus on Clark? Seems to be in our range but not talked about much, unless I've missed it. Again just from highlights, I'd put him ahead of constable on the wish list. Good overhead, big bodied, appetite for the contest and repeat efforts. I can see what others mean when saying Constable looks vanilla. Reckon we need a bit more pace and x factor.

Decision making can be a bit sketchy

 

[Flags_In_The_Bag]

Sorry for the intrusion but I see your board seemingly think cerra will fall to your pick. You can probably scratch him off your list. I can't see him
Slipping past Collingwood at 6 but if he was to slip to us we would take him infront of anyone in this draft apart from LDU and Rayner.

Brayshaw the Saints would pick before him

 

[Lindsay_Gilbee]

I'm pretty convinced that Constable will be our man unless Coffield slides.

 

[LoveDamoBarrett]

Not This year Damo, no Luke Ryans in this draft
Keen on Constable and Coffield but think Coffield will go earlier than 9.
Can see us going a bit of a smokey with 16.

Who are you liking from this draft ?

Fogarty, Stephenson or Hunter Clark for pick 9. no particular preference. Hopefully Constable or Allen for pick 16

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

I'm pretty convinced that Constable will be our man unless Coffield slides.

Yep, I'm starting to get that impression too. If you believe the whispers, that means Sydney will take Murphy, crushing my heart.

 

[goodcop badcop]

Just out of interest, if he fell to 9, you'd snap him up without hesitation?

Probably, I would be quite surprised if he did fall though. I thought he performed better then Brayshaw and I think Cerra's game will translate better to AFL. Hopefully the Saints do pick Brayshaw and let Cerra fall through because it could be another Bont/Billings scenario again.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Probably, I would be quite surprised if he did fall though. I thought he performed better then Brayshaw and I think Cerra's game will translate better to AFL. Hopefully the Saints do pick Brayshaw and let Cerra fall through because it could be another Bont/Billings scenario again.

I know it makes no sense as they're completely different players, but every time I think of Cerra I can't shake the Aish/Toumpas pre-draft situation comparisons. All three were heralded by the media/amateur draft watchers as easily in the top echelon all year, then when it comes to draft time they drop seemingly inexplicably and then flop completely at AFL level. As I said, I know how ridiculous that is, but the similarities there make me anxious.

 

[murphy's twin]

I'm pretty much sold on Constable. Bevo is about rotations and flexibility. He needs fresh big bodies at the source through all 4 quarters. We did this beautifully in 2016.

Now I also expect Dunkley to feature predominantly. The coaches love him- he was brought straight back in after injuries don't forgot, and let's not fool ourselves that he won't progress on his 2016 finals campaign, it's only up from here.

Now with having Constable on board. This allows us to have 3 big bodied midfielders on all three lines at any one time. For example:

Constavle at half back flank.
Bont in the middle.
Dunks at high half forward.

This just makes sense.

Let me also explain this by way that I have just read reports that Constable is a 'general' in defense, and is capable up forward with his marking capability.

Thoughts?

 

[goodcop badcop]

I know it makes no sense as they're completely different players, but every time I think of Cerra I can't shake the Aish/Toumpas pre-draft situation comparisons. All three were heralded by the media/amateur draft watchers as easily in the top echelon all year, then when it comes to draft time they drop seemingly inexplicably and then flop completely at AFL level. As I said, I know how ridiculous that is, but the similarities there make me anxious.

I think it's more to do with injuries to be honest. I look at it as more of a J Selwood, Lever etc. kind of thing.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

I'm pretty much sold on Constable. Bevo is about rotations and flexibility. He needs fresh big bodies at the source through all 4 quarters. We did this beautifully in 2016.

Now I also expect Dunkley to feature predominantly. The coaches love him- he was brought straight back in after injuries don't forgot, and let's not fool ourselves that he won't progress on his 2016 finals campaign, it's only up from here.

Now with having Constable on board. This allows us to have 3 big bodied midfielders on all three lines at any one time. For example:

Constavle at half back flank.
Bont in the middle.
Dunks at high half forward.

This just makes sense.

Let me also explain this by way that I have just read reports that Constable is a 'general' in defense, and is capable up forward with his marking capability.

Thoughts?

The counterpoint is that this makes our midfield lineup look extraordinarily "samey;" there's no real ability to alter our strategy because we're playing so many mids that play similar games. If plan A doesn't work, plan B is to...replace player X with player Y that plays a very similar game?

I think it's more to do with injuries to be honest. I look at it as more of a J Selwood, Lever etc. kind of thing.

What are the details of his injuries, out of curiosity?

 

[goodcop badcop]

What are the details of his injuries, out of curiosity?

Knee injury last year and missed the 2nd half of this year with a shoulder injury which needed surgery.

 

[murphy's twin]

The counterpoint is that this makes our midfield lineup look extraordinarily "samey;" there's no real ability to alter our strategy because we're playing so many mids that play similar games. If plan A doesn't work, plan B is to...replace player X with player Y that plays a very similar game?



What are the details of his injuries, out of curiosity?

I don't think that Bont compared to the other two are 'samey' plus there is the fact that at any time we can also have none of them in the centre, and have both Bont and dunks at half forward for instance. Lots of flexibility.

I understand the concern. We do need more speedy types. This is where a speedy utility type at pick 16 will come in..

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Knee injury last year and missed the 2nd half of this year with a shoulder injury which needed surgery.

Hmm I see, that does change things a little.

I dunno, I think I'm just a little obsessive over kicking skills in this draft. They let us down so, so badly this year.

 

[goodcop badcop]

Hmm I see, that does change things a little.

I dunno, I think I'm just a little obsessive over kicking skills in this draft. They let us down so, so badly this year.

Yeah I am a bit too. But it's still pretty important we at least end up with a very good player with pick 9, even if they don't quite fit our needs. I know you love him, but I've always thought there's too much of an unknown and risk to pick Murphy at 9. There could be a bit too much risk on Richards in regards to his endurance perhaps as well.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Yeah I am a bit too. But it's still pretty important we at least end up with a very good player with pick 9, even if they don't quite fit our needs. I know you love him, but I've always thought there's too much of an unknown and risk to pick Murphy at 9. There could be a bit too much risk on Richards in regards to his endurance perhaps as well.

It's why somebody like Constable is growing on me. We share similar thoughts on his fit with us, but I think worst case scenario he ends up a good player who uses the ball well when required to. Watching footage of the others in that top 20 mix, I don't get the same vibe from many. Perhaps picking a player that you feel is a good chance of being a good player, and know won't let you down with their skills is the best possible play this year, rather than hunting elite skills. In reality, we need skill improvement across the board if we are to be a threat in 2018, not just one player who can kick the ball.

 

[Gollo]

The counterpoint is that this makes our midfield lineup look extraordinarily "samey;" there's no real ability to alter our strategy because we're playing so many mids that play similar games. If plan A doesn't work, plan B is to...replace player X with player Y that plays a very similar game?



What are the details of his injuries, out of curiosity?

Out for basically all of 2016 through injuries, either a shoulder or ankle I think, and then injured his shoulder badly in August in school footy I think, putting him on ice for the rest of the season.

 

[goodcop badcop]

Out for basically all of 2016 through injuries, either a shoulder or ankle I think, and then injured his shoulder badly in August in school footy I think, putting him on ice for the rest of the season.

It was definitely a knee injury in 2016.

 

[goodcop badcop]

Not in love with Houlahan's write up on inside footy much. His coach basically said he's more of a shy type of personality and very laid back rather then the arrogant sort you get from the gun forwards. He thinks he'll follow a similar pathway to Jeremy Howe and will move into a half back role at the next level.

 

[AJARWA]

Decision making can be a bit sketchy

Can't even decide which foot to use...

 

[murphy's twin]

Plus with Constable I think it also works with adding to the teams strengths- handballs in congestion. No use going half arsed with your core tactic.

We need to master this strategy to get the edge back into our performance

 

[Yojimbo]

Fogarty, Stephenson or Hunter Clark for pick 9. no particular preference. Hopefully Constable or Allen for pick 16

Fogarty and Constable, the dynamic duo. I would take any combination
of Brandon Starcevich and Houlahan or Hunter and Starcevich just give
us some dynamic power, speed and goal sense. Please.

 

[Struggle]

Can't even decide which foot to use...

I'm sold