List Mgmt. 2017 Draft Prospects

[Wizard17]

If he's got the work ethic, and making the decision to move across the country shows that he wants it, then he's a player worth a late pick given his athletic and physical profiles. Not sure what his skills are like. What about his vertical? No point being tall/fast if you can't use your height/length.

He has a pretty long kick. Not sure what his jumps were like. That speed and agility at 203cm is crazy though, well worth a late pick.

Guys who did well at the State Combines:

SA -

Mitch Crowden (dominated everything)
Josh Smithson (Agility, Jumps and Speed)
Jake Weidemann (Endurance and Jumps)

WA -

Liam Ryan (Speed and Jumps)
Bailey Banfield (Endurance and Jumps)
Aaron Redhead (Speed and Agility)
Matt Guelfi (Speed, Endurance and running VJ)

Don't have anything on the Victorian or Rookie Me Combines.

 

[Dav1d]

When I watch the highlight reels of the U18 players I always try to determine how many highlights are from the one game, it isn't difficult to make almost any kid look like a star if its all single moments from many different games.

 

[Mofra]

Matt Guelfi (Speed, Endurance and running VJ)

Is that the kid that's missed out twice already? Seems both times he's gone away and worked hard. The type of kid I hope we rookie, screams a Matthew Boyd type.

 

[goodcop badcop]

He has a pretty long kick. Not sure what his jumps were like. That speed and agility at 203cm is crazy though, well worth a late pick.

Guys who did well at the State Combines:

SA -

Mitch Crowden (dominated everything)
Josh Smithson (Agility, Jumps and Speed)
Jake Weidemann (Endurance and Jumps)

WA -

Liam Ryan (Speed and Jumps)
Bailey Banfield (Endurance and Jumps)
Aaron Redhead (Speed and Agility)
Matt Guelfi (Speed, Endurance and running VJ)

Don't have anything on the Victorian or Rookie Me Combines.

Stefan Giro as well. Not really that interested myself but he must be in the mix because he tested very well, he's South Australian and he's a left footer

 

[JAMES_B_101]

Said to be rated a 3rd rounder and big danger of Go Home Factor. Wonder if Goodesy could work some magic with him? Might get lucky and we'd get at least 2 years of watching this

Our club has taken a stand against poor professional standards this off season by moving on from Jake Stringer. I don't see us drafting anyone who has had question marks over their ability to adapt to the pro environment.

 

[Wizard17]

Is that the kid that's missed out twice already? Seems both times he's gone away and worked hard. The type of kid I hope we rookie, screams a Matthew Boyd type.

He has been a bit of a victim of his own versatility. He has never really settled down in one position. Agree though in he could be a late gem.

Stefan Giro as well. Not really that interested myself but he must be in the mix because he tested very well, he's South Australian and he's a left footer

Out of the SA boys I think that Smithson looks most like a Dal pick then Crowden. Smithson looks like a quicker more agile version of Webb.

Crowden just strikes me as a very natural bullish midfielder with good goal sense. Small but built like a tank.

 

[Barking Mad]

I don't see it working out myself. We've never been good with indigenous player's for a start and Ryan isn't the most committed type of character it seems. There's reports he missed a few training sessions during the year and turned up late to preseason training. He's got a couple kids as well so there is some pretty significant go home factor.

I just wanna have him and know it won't happen or be a great idea Risks are enormous and I know he'd only be suited to WA teams most likely of PA but I want him.....I want him NOW

 

[JAMES_B_101]

He has a pretty long kick. Not sure what his jumps were like. That speed and agility at 203cm is crazy though, well worth a late pick.

Guys who did well at the State Combines:

SA -

Mitch Crowden (dominated everything)
Josh Smithson (Agility, Jumps and Speed)
Jake Weidemann (Endurance and Jumps)

WA -

Liam Ryan (Speed and Jumps)
Bailey Banfield (Endurance and Jumps)
Aaron Redhead (Speed and Agility)
Matt Guelfi (Speed, Endurance and running VJ)

Don't have anything on the Victorian or Rookie Me Combines.

From memory Jack Fitzpatrick was also very quick at 200cm but didn't have much of an aerial game so would've been better off 10-20cm shorter. Smithson is one I really hope we look at for our final pick. Thought he had a good turn of speed in that highlight video and the testing proves it. Has had a good year and maybe unlucky not to get a national combine look.

 

[goodcop badcop]

He has been a bit of a victim of his own versatility. He has never really settled down in one position. Agree though in he could be a late gem.


Out of the SA boys I think that Smithson looks most like a Dal pick then Crowden. Smithson looks like a quicker more agile version of Webb.

Crowden just strikes me as a very natural bullish midfielder with good goal sense. Small but built like a tank.

Not a big fan of Crowden on what I've seen, but looks ok. I really like Smithson though and he has had a very good year it seems.

 

[Yojimbo]

When I watch the highlight reels of the U18 players I always try to determine how many highlights are from the one game, it isn't difficult to make almost any kid look like a star if its all single moments from many different games.

I watched two six minute highlights tapes for Patrick Naish in the
first one versus Vic Country he looked like a star and i thought
bid at pick 9, the second one was versus the Allies and he looked
like he had necked a bottle of Smirnoff before the game his
disposal numbers did not vary that much, but the quality of the
disposals was chalk and cheese.

 

[Wizard17]

Not a big fan of Crowden on what I've seen, but looks ok. I really like Smithson though and he has had a very good year it seems.

Yeah I like what I've seen with Smithson for a late pick.

Crowden I'm not too sure on but one thing I will give him is that he looks like a fair upgrade on Honeychurch.

 

[dogwatch]

I don't see it working out myself. We've never been good with indigenous player's for a start and Ryan isn't the most committed type of character it seems. There's reports he missed a few training sessions during the year and turned up late to preseason training. He's got a couple kids as well so there is some pretty significant go home factor.

Thanks for the insight gcbc. I think I'd heard something like that along the line too.
I understand the bit about work ethic and attitude. It's absolute anathema to a good footy team, especially us right now. I also agree that the GH factor may be greater for a player with kids in WA.

However I don't buy the fatalism about never having been good with indigenous players (or with KPFs or whatever else gets raised).

That may be historical fact but it's no reason to shut ourselves off from a very successful stream of AFL talent.
As they say in the financial markets “past performance is no guarantee of future results”.

I see no reason why we can't do well in that area.

 

[Dry Rot]

However I don't buy the fatalism about never having been good with indigenous players (or with KPFs or whatever else gets raised).

That may be historical fact but it's no reason to shut ourselves off from a very successful stream of AFL talent.
As they say in the financial markets “past performance is no guarantee of future results”.

I see no reason why we can't do well in that area.

I do. I'm not surprised that the Bombers and Hawks succeed and we don't.

 

[Del165892]

Thanks for the insight gcbc. I think I'd heard something like that along the line too.
I understand the bit about work ethic and attitude. It's absolute anathema to a good footy team, especially us right now. I also agree that the GH factor may be greater for a player with kids in WA.

However I don't buy the fatalism about never having been good with indigenous players (or with KPFs or whatever else gets raised).

That may be historical fact but it's no reason to shut ourselves off from a very successful stream of AFL talent.
As they say in the financial markets “past performance is no guarantee of future results”.

I see no reason why we can't do well in that area.

Yeah I'm amazed that people think the current administration at the Bulldogs will follow in the footsteps of all of its predecessors. If the current administation can get us to a flag I reckon they are competent enough to develop an indigenous player...

 

[dogwatch]

I do. I'm not surprised that the Bombers and Hawks succeed and we don't.

That's a tease! Please explain ... I'm genuinely interested.

 

[Dry Rot]

That's a tease! Please explain ... I'm genuinely interested.

Let's just say that I have been doing some very enjoyable volunteer work with an Indigenous organisation and its been a real eye opener. They go about things in a different way and have different sensibilities.

I can imagine the same thing at a footy club.

We don't do this kind of stuff NB Rampe

http://www.sydneyswans.com.au/news/2017-05-25/duos-tribute-to-moment-in-time

 

[goodcop badcop]

Thanks for the insight gcbc. I think I'd heard something like that along the line too.
I understand the bit about work ethic and attitude. It's absolute anathema to a good footy team, especially us right now. I also agree that the GH factor may be greater for a player with kids in WA.

However I don't buy the fatalism about never having been good with indigenous players (or with KPFs or whatever else gets raised).

That may be historical fact but it's no reason to shut ourselves off from a very successful stream of AFL talent.
As they say in the financial markets “past performance is no guarantee of future results”.

I see no reason why we can't do well in that area.

I don't mean we should shut ourselves off completely, I've been a supporter of taking some indigenous kids in previous drafts. I just think we need to be very selective in who we take. Whilst our club has improved, I don't think we still have anywhere near the resources and personnel on hand as a Hawthorn to get the best out of some of these kids. Ryan is one of those IMO.

 

[dogwatch]

Let's just say that I have been doing some very enjoyable volunteer work with an Indigenous organisation and its been a real eye opener. They go about things in a different way and have different sensibilities.

I can imagine the same thing at a footy club.

We don't do this kind of stuff NB Rampe

http://www.sydneyswans.com.au/news/2017-05-25/duos-tribute-to-moment-in-time

Appreciate the insight and the sensitivity of it.

I agree we haven't done that on the indigenous front but that doesn't mean we wouldn't - or that we don't as a matter of policy. We (ie both the club and the players) were certainly out there with our stance on SSM and have stood up on other social issues (eg domestic violence), sometimes as the AFL leader (Sons of the West program etc).

Maybe the reason we haven't done it is we haven't had any high profile (and slightly activist) players like Buddy around whom we can crystallise that sort of action? A sort of hen-or-egg situation ... which needs to come first? Brett Goodes was a possibility but didn't have the same high public profile that his brother was able to use in raising the issue of racial vilification.

I also reckon Beveridge would accommodate that sort of diversity and expression of passionate beliefs. Or have I misread him?

 

[VitalDread]

Does anybody know of any footage of McGannon or Porter? The profiles I can find sound good but they also don't make them sound like late/rookie picks, which is frustrating.

i can get footage of Porter but requires me to cut clips

 

[VitalDread]

I don't see it working out myself. We've never been good with indigenous player's for a start and Ryan isn't the most committed type of character it seems. There's reports he missed a few training sessions during the year and turned up late to preseason training. He's got a couple kids as well so there is some pretty significant go home factor.

heard Freo will be picking him up

 

[goodcop badcop]

heard Freo will be picking him up

West Coast will beat them to it by the sound of it.

 

[dogwatch]

heard Freo will be picking him up

West Coast will beat them to it by the sound of it.

Maybe Freo will decide they have to go with pick 5 to get him? (hee-hee)

 

[giblj]

Does anybody know of any footage of McGannon or Porter? The profiles I can find sound good but they also don't make them sound like late/rookie picks, which is frustrating.

McGannon has a highlights video on the draft machine, don't know how to link directly to it but you can search his name down at the bottom left. Porter isn't on there unfortunately.

http://www.afl.com.au/draft/draft-machine

 

[giblj]

How long has Stephenson's heart condition been known about? Interested to see if he goes a bit later than predicted

 

[JAMES_B_101]

How long has Stephenson's heart condition been known about? Interested to see if he goes a bit later than predicted

Where's the news on him having a heart condition?