List Mgmt. 2017 Draft Prospects

[Yojimbo]

not a fan of Richards at pick 9, got Grant vibes about taking him early

Jarrad Grant's coach at the stingrays said publicly "Why would you
take him that early he can't kick" i have never heard anyone even
remotely knock Richard's skills so i don't see the comparison. Our
trade period this year consisted of Trengove as a tall defender
come quasi ruck/fwd hybrid superman and Crozier as a transition
defender and Schache as a KPF who given recent trends will
probably be morphed into a Will Minson clone, i am a little confused
as to our direction at the moment, but i did say it was a KPD draft
so whatever will be will be.

 

[stefoid]

We take Naughton if hes good enough. Just remember what it was like with Lake making a fool of his direct opponent and taking mark after mark in the back half, then running off them. A dominant KPP at either end is gold. They command close to a million bucks a year these days, if you dont draft them.

Having said that, we would have to be sure he is that good. You dont have to see much vision of a player like Coffield, for instance, to see he is going to be a reliable player and adds a lot of what the team needs without seemingly any glaring weakness. Plus he is a doggy supporter form Eltham, and for some reason I have in my head that kids from that area are model citizens and stinrays players are headcases, but maybe thats a statistical blip,ha ha

 

[Lindsay_Gilbee]

So where do people think Stephenson ends up? That’s seems to shape the whole first round.

 

[Mofra]

We take Naughton if hes good enough. Just remember what it was like with Lake making a fool of his direct opponent and taking mark after mark in the back half, then running off them. A dominant KPP at either end is gold. They command close to a million bucks a year these days, if you dont draft them.

Lake was a late pick who had excellent footskills.
Naughton seems to have borrowed Zaine Cordy's kicking action, except Cordy's kicks almost always get to where they need to go if he's within 40m.

I really worry about how we get the ball forward - is our plan to move the ball into our own backline then try and move it forwards? We desperately need a midfield linebreaker and at the moment we've got Jong (who is a trier but he's not a smart footballer nor does he have much in the way footskills) and that's about it.

 

[Mofra]

They may not play as "key defenders" (although I would very much question your assertion that Cordy doesn't play a key position?) but I would argue that our system blurs the line between key defence and general defence. All of them are required to stand key forwards at various time points, all of them are required to intercept, and a lot of them rotate between acting as high, mid and deep defenders in our 2-2-2 formation (although some certainly have their pet zones, with Wood as a mid defender an example).

FB: Morris - Adams - Cordy
HB: Wood - Trengove - Johannisen

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FB: Mullenger-McHugh - Roberts - Young
HB: Naughton - Collins - Lynch

I'm just not seeing their roles as being different enough for them to fit and develop together. Alternatively, if we rotate heavily off the bench at VFL level we end up rotating the players that should spend most of the game on the ground, which does not prepare them for life at AFL level.

I see at least four AFL standard key defenders, and that's without me factoring in the fact that I have not given up on Collins and would happily keep Roberts for several more years as handy depth. I'm just not seeing a need to pick a key defender with such a high pick - particularly not when it's going to result in a backlog like I see happening.

+1
There were times last year we played Adams, Morris as the versatile defender, and then 4 guys who could rebound.

If we get Naughton I really fear we are sacrificing rebound for height at the exact time that forwardlines are getting shorter and quicker with great defensive pressure so non-elite kicks in the back half can get exposed.

Bailey Williams and Matt Suckling and Biggs and Wood and JJ may well all be in our best 22 for much of next year - 5 small/mid sized defenders. We've publically earmarked Crozier as a HBF rebounder, so there's 6. How many KPDs can we carry in the best 22 if that is the case?
Sure Morris goes after perhaps one more year but Trengove was signed for a reason on decent coin, Zordy & Adams are quality, and we've just invested in another KPF who will press claims for round 1.

This is the first time in my lifetime I can honestly say our list is too tall and adding to it doesn't make sense.

 

[Yojimbo]

So where do people think Stephenson ends up? That’s seems to shape the whole first round.

Unfortunately the Stephenson call will probably be made by the
club doctor in consultation with a heart specialist instead of
by the football department which has cast a shadow over the
whole draft.

 

[stefoid]

Lake was a late pick who had excellent footskills.
Naughton seems to have borrowed Zaine Cordy's kicking action, except Cordy's kicks almost always get to where they need to go if he's within 40m.

I really worry about how we get the ball forward - is our plan to move the ball into our own backline then try and move it forwards? We desperately need a midfield linebreaker and at the moment we've got Jong (who is a trier but he's not a smart footballer nor does he have much in the way footskills) and that's about it.

Whoever we draft now isnt going to make a difference for 2-3 years anyway, we shouldnt make decisions based on immediate needs. Long term, lack of quality KPP is ALWAYS a problem. A log jam of talls on the list now will sort itself out pretty quickly.

Next year I would push JJ and Dale into the midfield. JJ will relish the freedom and we can cover his rebound easily.

 

[VitalDread]

Jarrad Grant's coach at the stingrays said publicly "Why would you
take him that early he can't kick" i have never heard anyone even
remotely knock Richard's skills so i don't see the comparison. Our
trade period this year consisted of Trengove as a tall defender
come quasi ruck/fwd hybrid superman and Crozier as a transition
defender and Schache as a KPF who given recent trends will
probably be morphed into a Will Minson clone, i am a little confused
as to our direction at the moment, but i did say it was a KPD draft
so whatever will be will be.

i'm not comparing the player, i'm just comparing the pick
I would rather use pick 16 on Richards than 9

 

[Mofra]

Unfortunately the Stephenson call will probably be made by the
club doctor in consultation with a heart specialist instead of
by the football department which has cast a shadow over the
whole draft.

Apparently the tests that fully diagnose the severity of the condition take weeks for results to appear, full blood/DNA type test.

Alex Villis was regarded as one of the top kids last year but had the same heart condition as JS, he was told he had to stop playing football completely.

 

[Mofra]

Whoever we draft now isnt going to make a difference for 2-3 years anyway, we shouldnt make decisions based on immediate needs. Long term, lack of quality KPP is ALWAYS a problem. A log jam of talls on the list now will sort itself out pretty quickly.

Next year I would push JJ and Dale into the midfield. JJ will relish the freedom and we can cover his rebound easily.

Long term we lose Morris and that's about it though. Trengove has 4+ years to go, the others are kids.
If we hadn't signed Trengove and Schache (no swinging Adams/Cordy forward at times) it might be a different story.

 

[Mutt]

Whoever we draft now isnt going to make a difference for 2-3 years anyway, we shouldnt make decisions based on immediate needs. Long term, lack of quality KPP is ALWAYS a problem. A log jam of talls on the list now will sort itself out pretty quickly.

Next year I would push JJ and Dale into the midfield. JJ will relish the freedom and we can cover his rebound easily.

Hear hear Stef.

I can't understand the call to go small with our list because Richmond didn't have more than one decent forward with any size? Really? And I can't see why we wouldn't draft a key defender when we know they will take a few years to get to AFL standard in that position, and our current key defenders each have at least one issue to call into doubt their sustainability at AFL level. There's no Rance, Lake or even a Peter Foster on our list at present from what I can see...not even close.

 

[Martyn_30_]

Cordy, Morris and Wood don't play as key defenders. Young questionable also, as I think he's a mobile tall third defender or forward.

So realistic options to play CHB and Full Back are Adams (if he plays down back), Trengove, Roberts, Collins and maybe Mullenger-McHugh. We are hardly overloaded. Add Naughton and that gives us five or maybe six key defenders on a list of 44.

Cordy and Morris regularly play as key defenders, something Cordy probably hasn’t been ready for physically but will be in the future. Young only just made his draft he’s a genuine key position player with great athleticism, I’m certain he’ll be a star.


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[RedWhite&Blue]

So where do people think Stephenson ends up? That’s seems to shape the whole first round.

The club has a defibrillator doesn't it?
Draft him and have it ready any time he sets foot on a footy field.
He is outside speed and class - just what we need

 

[Mofra]

The club has a defibrillator doesn't it?
Draft him and have it ready any time he sets foot on a footy field.
He is outside speed and class - just what we need

He's the absolute boom or bust prospect of the draft - will be an a grader or retired within 2 years, little possibility of middle ground.

 

[footyfan000001]

So where do people think Stephenson ends up? That’s seems to shape the whole first round.

Suns at 19 for me.

 

[goodcop badcop]

Hasn't Naughton shown huge improvement in the last twelve months too?

He played for WA last year in the U18's, so he's always been on the radar. He has shown quite a lot of improvement throughout the year though.

 

[stefoid]

Long term we lose Morris and that's about it though. Trengove has 4+ years to go, the others are kids.
If we hadn't signed Trengove and Schache (no swinging Adams/Cordy forward at times) it might be a different story.

I actually think we are so used to having hardly any decent tall players on the list that we are overreacting and freaking out that we may have sufficient depth now?

It will sort itself out. We will add a couple of mediums/smalls to the list as well this year, to add depth to areas we are already good in.

I just reckon when you have the opportunity to take a quality KPP, you take them. It hardly ever happens. My reservation is Dals ability to pick em. He hasnt any proven form so far for talls.

 

[Yojimbo]

i'm not comparing the player, i'm just comparing the pick
I would rather use pick 16 on Richards than 9

I get your point Vital, but the draft heads rate this years pick 1
as equivalent to about pick 8 in a decent draft with more
quality at the pointy end. With the question marks over young
Stephenson it's natural for a few to bolt up the order as he and
perhaps Hayes hit the slippery slope and slide.

 

[Yojimbo]

Apparently the tests that fully diagnose the severity of the condition take weeks for results to appear, full blood/DNA type test.

Alex Villis was regarded as one of the top kids last year but had the same heart condition as JS, he was told he had to stop playing football completely.

In the two minute noodles type society we live in today it's
surprising to have such an unknown, feel for the kid.

 

[SCRAY72]

Whoever we draft now isnt going to make a difference for 2-3 years anyway, we shouldnt make decisions based on immediate needs. Long term, lack of quality KPP is ALWAYS a problem. A log jam of talls on the list now will sort itself out pretty quickly.

Next year I would push JJ and Dale into the midfield. JJ will relish the freedom and we can cover his rebound easily.

Agreed although I would rotate JJ and BD forward more regularly as they are natural goalkickers.

 

[Del165892]

I actually think we are so used to having hardly any decent tall players on the list that we are overreacting and freaking out that we may have sufficient depth now?

It will sort itself out. We will add a couple of mediums/smalls to the list as well this year, to add depth to areas we are already good in.

I just reckon when you have the opportunity to take a quality KPP, you take them. It hardly ever happens. My reservation is Dals ability to pick em. He hasnt any proven form so far for talls.

Zaine Cordy, Lewis Young, Marcus Adams say high.

 

[Golden_6]

Zaine Cordy, Lewis Young, Marcus Adams say high.

Exactly, they've all proven they have the attributes and ability to play AFL at a high level. Dal's job is done in that regard, it's now up to the club to develop these players into the types we want them too.

 

[goodcop badcop]

From Cal Twomey's live chat thing, there was a question that Twomey answered but has since been deleted. Anyone see it? He basically threw up the usual names at pick 16, but also mentioned we are interested in Liam Ryan at pick 16. Bit strange.

 

[Ash1337]

If they draft Naughton it could be he becomes a forward in the mold of Cameron. (I wish)

 

[Mutt]

Cordy and Morris regularly play as key defenders, something Cordy probably hasn’t been ready for physically but will be in the future. Young only just made his draft he’s a genuine key position player with great athleticism, I’m certain he’ll be a star.


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Morris won't be around when Naughton is ready for seniors. Young...well we'll see. Still not convinced he or Cordy will play as one of our long-term key defenders. Both have been owned by the good key forwards. Both will probably play a lot of AFL footy for us and the long-term might see Young eventually take over one key post from Trengove and Naughton or Adams filling the other role in two or three years.

I'm not advocating that we should take Naughton. Just saying that I don't think it would be a strange decision to do so, even considering our current list composition. Already having a number of key defenders on the list doesn't mean that any of them will be a high quality 100+ gamer in that position.