2017 Draft thread

[briztoon]

Think that was Lachlan Fogarty not Darcy.

Lachlan played well, but Darcy also had a good game.

From Cal Twomey's article;

Against the Northern Blues' VFL side on Saturday night, Fogarty was one of the Academy players to further his claims: he wasn't intimidated, he laid seven tackles, and took some excellent marks running hard at the ball.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-04-19/competitive-country-star-emerges-as-topfive-prospect


Can't find the video, but I'm pretty sure I remember watching a highlights video of the match where Fogarty laid a don't argue on a wing, pushed the player off and delivered the ball in to the forward 50.

 

[Len S]

I know you're very keen on Worpel and rate him a lot higher then most, just wondering who else you'd view as a potential "slider" that you'd be happy selecting ahead of Worpel.

The two players I'd be interested in hearing some of your thoughts are Constable and Darcy Fogarty (they may fall under the above)

I have Constable and Bailey behind Dow.Powerful,smart and versatile is Constable. Wouldn't overlook Spargo as a small forward, on ball option.

 

[Bobby Beecroft]

Lachlan was named 2nd best Darcy not named.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-04-15/afl-academys-daviesuniacke-makes-his-mark

Lachlan Fogarty is one of the most consistent players in this years draft, and very underrated. Always in the best when available for the Western Jets. Height and pace would be the knocks, but some guys are just natural footballers and these types tend to be overlooked earlier for some that contain a few flashy attributes.

 

[lionshine]

It will be interesting to see where Stephenson sits on draft boards if he has a big TAC Cup finals series. He has shown over the past month or so his ability to play through the midfield and win a fair bit of the contested footy. Having demonstrated this ability his potential is just about off the charts. He can take a strong mark and is very dangerous up forward capable of kicking bags, you mix that with his speed and x-factor and the fact that he can also play as a legitimate midfielder and recruiters would be all over him. His kicking can be an issue though. His disposal lacks consistency and he has a tendency to spray some of his kicks. Definitely an exciting prospect.

 

[Deddy]

Have heard that you guys are looking to trade pick 1. Not interested in Raynor who wants to stay in Melbourne. Not sure if any of that is new information but make of it what you will.

 

[LionKing92]

We won't trade the No. 1 selection. Firstly, not the players available in trade period this year that are worth this selection e.g. a Dustin Martin. Secondly, even if quality of player was available he wouldn't come to the Lions. We are a developing list full of youth and aren't in the premiership window which most quality players are searching for these days. Thirdly, the best players are almost always in there prime around the mid to late 20's. Meaning you are better off developing a 18-19 yr old No.1 draft pick to grow with your current youthful group of players. That way instead of one player being in there prime, you have 22 instead.

 

[briztoon]

Lachlan was named 2nd best Darcy not named.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-04-15/afl-academys-daviesuniacke-makes-his-mark

Lachlan Fogarty is one of the most consistent players in this years draft, and very underrated. Always in the best when available for the Western Jets. Height and pace would be the knocks, but some guys are just natural footballers and these types tend to be overlooked earlier for some that contain a few flashy attributes.

Mate, do you understand the context of my original comment? I was mentioning Darcy Fogarty's good early season form pre injury, and that he was playing well when the discussion was about Darcy Fogarty's season not living up to expectation (because of injury).

If you went back far enough in this thread (some time in April), you'd find a video I posted of Fogarty playing in the SANFL and dominating. The whole year much of the discussion has centred around which ever player/s has been in form. I was just trying to remind people at the beginning of the season we were discussing Darcy Fogarty off the back of his good early season form.

 

[Dalions]

Mate, do you understand the context of my original comment? I was mentioning Darcy Fogarty's good early season form pre injury, and that he was playing well when the discussion was about Darcy Fogarty's season not living up to expectation (because of injury).

If you went back far enough in this thread (some time in April), you'd find a video I posted of Fogarty playing in the SANFL and dominating. The whole year much of the discussion has centred around which ever player/s has been in form. I was just trying to remind people at the beginning of the season we were discussing Darcy Fogarty off the back of his good early season form.

It wasnt just us discussing him, he was being talked about across the competition as a possible No:1 pick. And I thought he was foxing because he didnt want to come here. Until I heard about his knee.
I wouldnt hesitate to take him with our second pick.

 

[cotter101]

I've decided against a mock draft this year. But still always happy to provide thoughts and answer any questions.

My top 10 would be:

1. Paddy Dow.
2. Cameron Rayner
3. Adam Cerra
4. Jaidyn Stephenson
5. Nicholas Coffield
6. LDU
7. Joel Garner
8. Jarrod Brander
9. Charlie Constable
10. Darcy Fogarty

On Ballenden, he did impress me as a defender. I don't believe he's athleticism will cause him too many problems at the higher level. I've got him between 20-35.

Changes:

1. Paddy Dow.
2. Jaidyn Stephenson
3. Cameron Rayner
4. Adam Cerra
5. Nicholas Coffield
6. LDU
7. Jack Higgins
8. Aaron Naughton
9. Charlie Constable
10. Andrew Brayshaw

It will be interesting to see where Stephenson sits on draft boards if he has a big TAC Cup finals series. He has shown over the past month or so his ability to play through the midfield and win a fair bit of the contested footy. Having demonstrated this ability his potential is just about off the charts. He can take a strong mark and is very dangerous up forward capable of kicking bags, you mix that with his speed and x-factor and the fact that he can also play as a legitimate midfielder and recruiters would be all over him. His kicking can be an issue though. His disposal lacks consistency and he has a tendency to spray some of his kicks. Definitely an exciting prospect.

Stephenson is a potential match winner going forward. I'm positive he will be top 5.

LDU is a vanilla b grade type at best for mine. He's overrated, especially when looking at future prospects rather than immediate impact.

I'm not advocating we take him at pick 3. They were my rankings.

Anyone who actually watched Stephenson, will see he spends a fair bit of time in the midfield and does well. He's certainly got the scope to become a full time, goal kicking midfielder. FWIW, he spends more time in the middle than Rayner.

On Stephenson now, he's further improved and for mine and should be in the discussion at #1.

 

[jjami15]

Love finals footy and frankly it should be a reminder to all of us about contested/hard at it types when looking at drafting players. Dow, Hunter Clark, Andy Brayshaw, Zac Bailey and even Darcy Fogarty are those types and hope we can get a couple of these players on to our list through this draft.

 

[SizeMatters]

Stephenson a mad Lions supporter IIRC. Not that it means much though.

 

[a mayes ing]

Doesn't Stephenson spray the ball too much, especially considering he is more an outside player?

 

[snooplions]

We won't trade the No. 1 selection. Firstly, not the players available in trade period this year that are worth this selection e.g. a Dustin Martin. Secondly, even if quality of player was available he wouldn't come to the Lions. We are a developing list full of youth and aren't in the premiership window which most quality players are searching for these days. Thirdly, the best players are almost always in there prime around the mid to late 20's. Meaning you are better off developing a 18-19 yr old No.1 draft pick to grow with your current youthful group of players. That way instead of one player being in there prime, you have 22 instead.

Getting 3 & 16 for 2 & a couple of later round picks worked well last year. Wouldn't mind doing it again this year as we could still likely get Paddy Dow at 2/3 and also gain another mid to late first rounder.

 

[Leuy LongerCombo]

Getting 3 & 16 for 2 & a couple of later round picks worked well last year. Wouldn't mind doing it again this year as we could still likely get Paddy Dow at 2/3 and also gain another mid to late first rounder.

Can't see it happening this year to be honest, currently the few teams with the picks high enough to still get Dow don't have any academy prospects to change the value of the later picks to them.

We will likely value our later picks this year too, ideally getting value with those for Ballenden

 

[Chezz]

Doesn't Stephenson spray the ball too much, especially considering he is more an outside player?

His disposal could be better, but it's no worse than most of the top players in this draft. I thought he was pick 1, 6 months ago and the last few weeks have confirmed it for me.

He was never a totally outside player to start with, it was more the role he was playing. First few years will definitely need to bulk up though. I'm on the Stephenson bandwagon, hope we draft him

 

[a mayes ing]

His disposal could be better, but it's no worse than most of the top players in this draft. I thought he was pick 1, 6 months ago and the last few weeks have confirmed it for me.

He was never a totally outside player to start with, it was more the role he was playing. First few years will definitely need to bulk up though. I'm on the Stephenson bandwagon, hope we draft him

Whats his speed like? Dont know much about Stephenson

 

[Chezz]

Whats his speed like? Dont know much about Stephenson

He is quick, good height and a super runner. KM thinks he will be a better version of Jarred Grant. Apart from his build and speed, I don't see him being even remotely similar. I think he could be more like Andrew Gaff, with a better inside game in a few years time.

To go with his pace and run he kicks alot of goals from midfield (similar to what McLuggage was doing last year). His goalkicking is very good, but some of his field kicking is a bit inconsistant.

 

[WhiteLionFeva]

Stephenson a mad Lions supporter IIRC. Not that it means much though.

It doesn't. We're all mad.

 

[WhiteLionFeva]

He is quick, good height and a super runner. KM thinks he will be a better version of Jarred Grant. Apart from his build and speed, I don't see him being even remotely similar. I think he could be more like Andrew Gaff, with a better inside game in a few years time.

To go with his pace and run he kicks alot of goals from midfield (similar to what McLuggage was doing last year). His goalkicking is very good, but some of his field kicking is a bit inconsistant.

I too am a Stephenson fan. But there are two reasons why I don't think we will draft him. First, I think we will keep pick 1 and we won't take him there because we don't rate him that highly either in terms of quality or need. Secondly, he won't be available at our next pick. I think for all the same reasons we won't be taking my other favourite Victorian, Jack Higgins. Of course, if we somehow manage to obtain another top ten pick, that could all change.

 

[SizeMatters]

Stephenson reminds me a bit like Nat Fyfe when he was a skinny half forward in his junior years... don't think he will become the beast or desperate ball winner like Fyfe is now though. Fyfe more or less totally transformed his game as soon as he entered the AFL.

 

[POBT]

Of course, if we somehow manage to obtain another top ten pick, that could all change.

I really hope the club is considering turning the Port pick and our second rounder into a top 10 pick. It just seems to tick the boxes in terms of ensuring we pick twice before Ballenden plus I'm really starting to warm to a couple of the second tier draftees possibly in the 6-12 range. Brayshaw is one.

 

[ManeMan]

I really hope the club is considering turning the Port pick and our second rounder into a top 10 pick. It just seems to tick the boxes in terms of ensuring we pick twice before Ballenden plus I'm really starting to warm to a couple of the second tier draftees possibly in the 6-12 range. Brayshaw is one.

I'm with you. I really hope we get Brayshaw. Just looks a natural footballer. Would complement our young midfield well, particularly if we take Dow at 1. He's that balanced midfield type; great on the outside with very clean skills and a turn of pace and very handy on the inside. I only watched a handful of the U18's champs games, but he impressed me more than anyone. Looks like he has continued on that good form since then and has moved out of draft range with our second.

 

[Bobby Beecroft]

Mate, do you understand the context of my original comment? I was mentioning Darcy Fogarty's good early season form pre injury, and that he was playing well when the discussion was about Darcy Fogarty's season not living up to expectation (because of injury).

If you went back far enough in this thread (some time in April), you'd find a video I posted of Fogarty playing in the SANFL and dominating. The whole year much of the discussion has centred around which ever player/s has been in form. I was just trying to remind people at the beginning of the season we were discussing Darcy Fogarty off the back of his good early season form.

Dominating SANFL - didn't kick a goal or be named in the best players once in the 4 Colts games & 1 Reserves at SANFL level in 2017, that I can find. Youtube videos can be highly misleading. You also quoted he was ámongst the best players in the Academy Game v Northern Blues. Was not named in the best for that game either as I posted. Context is not relevant if what is being stated is incorrect. Unfortunately 2017 has been poor for Darcy including early form as correctly pointed out by Cotter. There is likely to be reasons for this I hope he can return to his best form - that of 2016.

I also took the opportunity to compare his Victorian namesake (that many get confused with), and how some of those that have been consistent during 2017 due to attributes can be overlooked for the more flashy types earlier in the draft.

I understand that the draft board tends to be your baby, but if I disagree with what has been posted & can show that to be the case especially to support someone that has taken time provide a different perspective (Cotter in this case) then I am not sure what the issue is.

I look forward to the Lions taking Sam Walsh over Isaac Rankine in 2018, as he is clearly the better all round footballer (& maybe just to see your reaction) .

 

[briztoon]

Dominating SANFL - didn't kick a goal or be named in the best players once in the 4 Colts games & 1 Reserves at SANFL level in 2017, that I can find. Youtube videos can be highly misleading. You also quoted he was ámongst the best players in the Academy Game v Northern Blues. Was not named in the best for that game either as I posted. Context is not relevant if what is being stated is incorrect. Unfortunately 2017 has been poor for Darcy including early form as correctly pointed out by Cotter. There is likely to be reasons for this I hope he can return to his best form - that of 2016.

I also took the opportunity to compare his Victorian namesake (that many get confused with), and how some of those that have been consistent during 2017 due to attributes can be overlooked for the more flashy types earlier in the draft.

I understand that the draft board tends to be your baby, but if I disagree with what has been posted & can show that to be the case especially to support someone that has taken time provide a different perspective (Cotter in this case) then I am not sure what the issue is.

I look forward to the Lions taking Sam Walsh over Isaac Rankine in 2018, as he is clearly the better all round footballer (& maybe just to see your reaction) .

Sam Walsh is my plan B. He's the other 2018 kid I mentioned early in the year.

 

[briztoon]