2017 Draft thread

[Lions Lions]

Bailey more of an inside mid... wins contested footy. I'd take him ahead of O'Brien. After Polec and also considering we have Cameron, Allison, McCluggage, Cutler, Taylor and Cox, I don't think we need outside players as much as players who win contested footy.

We need to address left foot outside midfield in which we basically have none outside Daniel Rich. I'd say either this draft or next we will add a couple. Fagan has come from the hawks who built a team of good left foot users. Inc forwards mids and backs. We are going to go down same track.

 

[Comeback Lions]

We need to address left foot outside midfield in which we basically have none outside Daniel Rich. I'd say either this draft or next we will add a couple. Fagan has come from the hawks who built a team of good left foot users. Inc forwards mids and backs. We are going to go down same track.

Good point, although Cox good on both sides. Who from this draft would fill that need at 15 or 18?

 

[M Malice]

Good point, although Cox good on both sides. Who from this draft would fill that need at 15 or 18?

Lochie O'Brien.

 

[SizeMatters]

Much more excited at who we go with picks 15/18 TBH. Really hoping Clark s there at 15.... can't see it myself though.

 

[briztoon]

In regards to the discussion on whether we're a little light on the tall stocks now, and playing 3 talls up forward...

Back in the 70's, 80's, and 90's NBA basketball was very formulaic, teams had a centre, power forward, two wings and a point guard. Each position had a general set of required skills, and finals basketball was slug fest, wrestling match.

In the mid 90's the NBA began slowly changing the defensive rules, hoping the open the game up and make it higher scoring.

Today, the game is less about positions and height, and more about skills, speed and pace. Players need to have at least one elite skill. There just isn't a place in todays game for players who are good at everything, but lack an elite skill. And work ethic isn't enough to overcome the lack of an elite skill. The vast majority of players are also good to elite athletes, there are very few poor athletes in the game, unless they are the elite of the elite shooters from distance.

The NBA is a concentration of the worlds best basketball players. School and college basketball is littered with stories of kids who were good, but couldn't crack it because they lacked the required athleticism to play at the highest level. No good being an elite outside shooter if you're slow and can't get past or create space from the player defending you. No good being an elite athlete if you have no feel for the game or genuine elite skill.


We read about AFL coaches heading over seas and visiting other sporting programs for professional development. As far as I am aware, there aren't any top tier AFL leagues over seas, so these AFL coaches, such as Clarkson form Hawthorn are visiting other sporting codes and coaches.


What's all that spiel got to do with AFL?

Is the game changing, where the emphasis is no longer on looking for players to fill long time traditional positions, but instead look players with an elite skill or skills, and players who can play at speed and open a game up. And then put a best 22 out there. There is still a place for elite tall players, but they don't have to necessarily play like traditional talls. But if you are tall without elite athleticism, will there still be a place for them if they don't have the skills to take contested marks or outbody and out play a more athletic tall defender.

I'm not sure if there is a need to play more that two tall forwards (or two tall defenders for that matter) if you they are elite, in todays game. There is more value in having more smaller forwards and defenders, with elite speed and/or skill, who can play through and flood the midfield, and play both ways.


If we have the depth of midfield and smaller players at both ends, I'm not sure there is a genuine need to look for tall players, even as reserves. I would sooner look to play big Oscar or Ballenden up forward if needs be than a stop gap delisted tall. Even Archie.

 

[Lions Lions]

Much more excited at who we go with picks 15/18 TBH. Really hoping Clark s there at 15.... can't see it myself though.

Clarke is goodness on his left too but is a right footer.

 

[briztoon]

Still not sure I'd take O'Brien at 18. I have some doubts over him.

Constable has slipped a bit, but suits the modern game for mine.

I do have some concerns over O'Briens lack of a contested game. I believe every player we look to draft, regardless of position, has to be able to play, or the scope to be taught to play, both directions.

My concerns for Constable is will he be able to keep up with a fast paced game and get from contest to contest, and not be static when not involved.

 

[SizeMatters]

Constable will be a great addition. Don't think he'd have any problem getting from contest to contest. Plenty of slower paced inside mids running around just look at Kennedy from the Swans.

 

[cotter101]

I do have some concerns over O'Briens lack of a contested game. I believe every player we look to draft, regardless of position, has to be able to play, or the scope to be taught to play, both directions.

My concerns for Constable is will he be able to keep up with a fast paced game and get from contest to contest, and not be static when not involved.

For mine it's O'Briens willingness and endeavor. Avoids contact a lot.

I think Constable will be fine, he's a hard worker and can rest forward.

 

[irish]

Would like LDU Clark and Allen before we finish with our two academy boys ! . Long chance I know

 

[countryVicLion]

Good point, although Cox good on both sides. Who from this draft would fill that need at 15 or 18?

OBrien a very nice left foot kick Luke Power look about him


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[jjami15]

In regards to Zac O’Brien I reckon he could make a good defensive small similar to Blake Hardwick from Hawks. A lot of guys who play midfield play in different positions when they get to the AFL. At 15 I would take Hunter and then Constable and would be happy for either. Constables hands are under-rated and he’s one touch. He will play as an inside mid and as long as he can from cont at to contest then speed isn’t too much of a concern but would rather Hunter whonis tough as nails. When it comes to 18 I would be quite happy for Bailey or if they go for Allen as well but we do need the likes of him, Brander and Naughton to go top 14 so as one of the better mids will drop to our pick 15. Freo could go Naughton and I do know the Freo posters say they need mids but Johnson isn’t getting younger and I don’t see Logue being a big KPD. Collingwood’s midfield is pretty well set and have plenty of flankers so with Moore going back do they need a forward, yep. They’re going to be knee deep into Tom Lynch but Brander could go there. Allen, I wouldn’t be suprised to see go to WC. They’ve got 3/4 picks in the second round where they can target mids.

Edit: I meant Zac Bailey FWIW

 

[briztoon]

Knightmare's AFL list needs: Who should your club draft?
http://www.espn.com.au/afl/story/_/id/21203567/knightmare-afl-list-needs-your-club-draft

Brisbane
List needs
1. Midfield star power
2. General defenders
3. Outside pace and skill
Draft picks: 1, 15, 18, 40, 44, 52, 93
Who should they draft? Luke Davies-Uniacke, Paddy Dow and Cameron Rayner are all in the mix for the first selection and all have the capacity to add star power for Brisbane with the No. 1 pick in the draft. Charlie Constable with pick 15 has the scope either to develop as a midfielder or backman. For outside pace and skill, Lochie O'Brien would be an ideal list fit at No. 18.

 

[SizeMatters]

What's a general defender? Thought we are looking pretty good in the back half?

 

[Crusha]

................................. Who from this draft would fill that need at 15 or 18?

Luke Power look about him

Have to agree with "Cotts" re O'Brien ..... not interested.

Ed Richards is the one I like at 15/18:

• Elite Left foot
• Has pace
• Has shown he can defend
• Would not be out of place on a wing
• Spent some time in the midfield for Oakleigh late in the season (and didn't look out of place)
• I believe could easily play a "small forward" role, with a real goal scoring threat given his kicking skills

He is the nearest thing to Luke Power that I have seen since the great man left.

Oh ........ and he puts us back on the "Blood Nut" trend.

Here's a reminder (played as a defender this day .... if I get a chance, I'll dig out vision of him playing midfield)

 

[BigCat2]

Ed Richards is a go home risk if I ever saw one.

 

[Hollow Knight]

Ed Richards is a go home risk if I ever saw one.

Yeah unless we want our trade thread infested with the usual Collingwood suspects howling about restraint of trade in 2 years, avoid, avoid, avoid.

 

[Crusha]

Ed Richards is a go home risk if I ever saw one.

So is everyone else (bar Qlders .... well, one would hope so .....if not, we really are ".....without a paddle").

For all the Amateur Physcology that is "sprayed" around on here, the fact is, none of us know for a fact what these kids will do. And the Club is guessing to some extent (even having interviewed the kids).

If we are going to use the Draft to bring in talent, then we just have to back ourselves in to provide an environment that encourages them to stick. If we can't do that, then we need to change our recruitment strategy.
The environment we operate in "is what it is", and is not likely to change anytime soon. If we Draft based on "will he or won't he" then any "success" (a "stayer"), is more than likely of lessor quality ......makes no sense to me.
I would prefer a lower success rate choosing the high talent than a high success rate choosing the lesser talent.

- geriatric rant completed

 

[Crusha]

Yeah unless we want our trade thread infested with the usual Collingwood suspects howling about restraint of trade in 2 years, avoid, avoid, avoid.

Who gives a sh*t about those plonkers.

Must be a "Whipper Snapper" thing.

 

[Lions Lions]

For mine it's O'Briens willingness and endeavor. Avoids contact a lot.

I think Constable will be fine, he's a hard worker and can rest forward.

O'Brien looks smart enough to stay on his feet and know when to go in head over the ball. IMO you can't have every player being a tough nut, you need couple of players with outside class in particular left footers to help ball movement on both sides of the ground. He is not built to play in the centre square but he could develop that over the years. I like him and I'd go with him at 15 or 18 if available.

 

[countryVicLion]

Ed Richards is a go home risk if I ever saw one.

Exactly


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[jjami15]

O'Brien looks smart enough to stay on his feet and know when to go in head over the ball. IMO you can't have every player being a tough nut, you need couple of players with outside class in particular left footers to help ball movement on both sides of the ground. He is not built to play in the centre square but he could develop that over the years. I like him and I'd go with him at 15 or 18 if available.

I think someone highlighted that eventhough is contested numbers were low in the national champs in the TACCUP his numbers were ok. His left foot is definitely a weapon and better kicks are needed. Pick 1 (NFI), Pick 15 Hunter or Constable and pick 18 Allen, O’Brien or Bailey

 

[Comeback Lions]

NFI is an exciting prospect. Good left foot?

 

[M Malice]

NFI is an exciting prospect. Good left foot?

Nobodies Perfect has shown plenty and from what I have heard is a Lions supporter.

 

[13Beast]

Really cant see other teams allowing us extra picks in the draft. Reckon we will be luck to get 15 but almost certaily 18 will be gone with the bid

I agree. Weak draft and I can see late first round is when clubs start taking a few punts. I will be shocked if Ballenden gets thru the first round without any clubs trying to pick him. 12 onwards is the danger zone. Adelaide could have a shot with 12, seeing they lost Lever.