2017 Draft thread

[Hollow Knight]

Response to being attacked by another over emotional poster.

Read the whole post chain.

You have had your chest puffed up from the start and insist on making antagonistic counterpoints to arguments people aren’t even making.

You seem absolutely blind to how you are coming off but are getting exactly what you deserve.

 

[22Lions22]

You have had your chest puffed up from the start and insist on making antagonistic counterpoints to arguments people aren’t even making.

You seem absolutely blind to how you are coming off but are getting exactly what you deserve.

Brown dog your still hurting over our conversation earlier.

It will pass!

 

[pulpdriver]

This loop is pretty tiresome.

 

[22Lions22]

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This loop is pretty tiresome.

Common on leave brown dog alone.

 

[briztoon]

Response to being attacked by another over emotional poster.

Read the whole post chain.

Because it's been pointed out you are not backing any of you claims with actual evidence or putting up a proper discussion. You keep making erroneous statements as if they are fact without providing any supporting evidence.

Nor are you comparing similar players from previous drafts to our 2016 draftees.

There's one Dangerfield type player in this years draft, Paddy Dow. He reportedly does not want to move interstate, and it appears he doesn't even want Carlton to draft him, having a preference to play at North. The other discussion about Dow is that physically he's not ready to play such a role at AFL level, but given a couple of preseasons, he should make a significant impact.

Not every kid shows what they are capable of in their first season.

 

[jackess]

Response to being attacked by another over emotional poster.

Read the whole post chain.

Do you watch a lot of Alex Jones?

 

[Fatcat08]

I think that this discussion has run its course to be honest and I'm sure people are getting tired of it. Any further arguments about it from either side will be deleted and second ones will be infracted. Let's get back on topic, me included

 

[WhiteLionFeva]

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I think that this discussion has run its course to be honest and I'm sure people are getting tired of it. Any further arguments about it from either side will be deleted and second ones will be infracted. Let's get back on topic, me included

Bugger, I was just into my fourth paragraph and it was a beauty.

 

[briztoon]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-11-23/chat-with-the-draft-guru-live-from-1pm-aedt

 

[spotthedog1]

Isnt it amazing how much a year or even in some cases a couple of weeks can change a players draft value. I remember us discussing Worpel as a top five pick not that long ago and now it is looking likely he slides into the third round. This despite a pretty decent u18 carnival and TAC season. Our own Ballenden was still being spoken about as a potential No. 1 not that long ago either. Although in his case despite some late NEAFL form he had a largely unimpressive year. I also recall about a year ago this draft was being thought of as being a good one for key position players, with Ballenden, Brander, Coleman Jones and Hayes looking likely top ten picks. Will be very interesting to see how it all ends up.

Would love for Worpel to slide to our pick 44. I know he's got his knocks, and understandable why, but really, he's good at what he's good at, and if he plays to his strengths, he could be a very handy player.

Of course, now I'll be riding it right through the 30s, watch him get to our pick........ And then we'll take someone I've never heard of.

 

[WhiteLionFeva]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-11-23/chat-with-the-draft-guru-live-from-1pm-aedt

He seems not to have any late mail. All very uncertain still. Maybe things will drop throughout tomorrow.

 

[WA Lion]

Would love for Worpel to slide to our pick 44. I know he's got his knocks, and understandable why, but really, he's good at what he's good at, and if he plays to his strengths, he could be a very handy player.

Of course, now I'll be riding it right through the 30s, watch him get to our pick........ And then we'll take someone I've never heard of.

Yep - I'm a big Worpel fan too and would love to see us draft him. Just reminds me of another Mathieson, good bloke to have around the club and loves sticking his head over the ball (something we need more of)

 

[Fatcat08]

Keep it draft related people we don't need a series of comments on the last few pages.

 

[Crusha]

Keep it draft related people we don't need a series of comments on the last few pages.

Pity ...... I anticipated a record no of "likes" too ............

 

[dlanod]

Isnt it amazing how much a year or even in some cases a couple of weeks can change a players draft value. I remember us discussing Worpel as a top five pick not that long ago and now it is looking likely he slides into the third round. This despite a pretty decent u18 carnival and TAC season. Our own Ballenden was still being spoken about as a potential No. 1 not that long ago either. Although in his case despite some late NEAFL form he had a largely unimpressive year. I also recall about a year ago this draft was being thought of as being a good one for key position players, with Ballenden, Brander, Coleman Jones and Hayes looking likely top ten picks. Will be very interesting to see how it all ends up.

Yep, but it always happens.

The record for a top 25 prospect from the start of the year (not even last year!), according to https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/dr...t/news-story/6172ca35e3acff0e5b4ec4d9ba3e4e84, isn't great:

Cameron Rayner - pick 1
Paddy Dow - top 5
Hunter Clark - top 10
Darcy Fogarty - top 10
Aaron Naughton - top 10
Lachlan Fogarty - top 15
Jack Higgins - top 15
Lochie O’Brien - top 20
Jaidyn Stephenson - top 20
Connor Ballenden - top 30
Jarrod Brander - top 30
Callum Coleman-Jones - top 30
Sam Hayes - top 30
Patrick Naish - top 30
Jack Petruccelle - top 30
Joel Garner - top 50
Charlie Spargo - top 50
James Worpel - top 50
Oscar Clavarino - late pick
Hayden McLean - late pick
Jake Patmore - late pick
Jackson Edwards - rookie
Jack Clayton - rookie/undrafted
Dominic Grant - rookie/undrafted
Thomas Schmusch - rookie/undrafted

(Estimates taken from Twomey's phantom draft.)

 

[lionshine]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-11-23/cal-twomeys-late-mail-topfive-draft-bolter

LATE MAIL TOP 30
Pick 1 – Brisbane Lions – Cameron Rayner
Pick 2 – Fremantle – Adam Cerra
Pick 3 – Carlton – Paddy Dow
Pick 4 – North Melbourne – Luke Davies-Uniacke
Pick 5 – Fremantle – Andrew Brayshaw
Pick 6 – Collingwood – Darcy Fogarty
Pick 7 – St Kilda – Hunter Clark
Pick 8 – St Kilda – Nick Coffield
Pick 9 – Western Bulldogs – Aaron Naughton
Pick 10 – Carlton – Lochie O'Brien
Pick 11 – Greater Western Sydney – Aiden Bonar
Pick 12 – Adelaide – Ed Richards
Pick 13 – West Coast – Jaidyn Stephenson
Pick 14 – Sydney – Oscar Allen
Pick 15 – Brisbane Lions – Lachie Fogarty
Pick 16 – Western Bulldogs – Jack Higgins
Pick 17 – Richmond – Nathan Murphy
Pick 18 – Brisbane Lions – Zac Bailey
Pick 19 – Gold Coast – Charlie Ballard
Pick 20 – Richmond – Jarrod Brander
Pick 21 – West Coast – Ryley Stoddart
Pick 22 – Geelong – Sam Taylor
Pick 23 – North Melbourne – Tom McCartin
Pick 24 – Geelong – Brent Daniels
Pick 25 – Richmond – Sam Hayes
Pick 26 – West Coast – Callum Coleman-Jones
Pick 27 – Richmond (matching GWS bid) – Patrick Naish
Pick 28 – Greater Western Sydney – Harrison Petty
Pick 29 – Greater Western Sydney – Jack Petruccelle
Pick 30 – Melbourne – Matt Ling

 

[Gadzorks]

Stephenson wants to get drafted, naturally he'll say that.

Keep in mind that it's not just us who have ruled him out. All clubs have seen how talented he is, so for him to fall past so many (if he does) will be proof enough of how big a concern his heart is.

You gotta feel for the kid - a Justin Clark type disappointment.

 

[Daniels Riches]

It seems that Fagan and Noble really rate leadership qualities, which is why Brayshaw is heavily in the mix for pick 1. If we do indeed go with Rayner at 1 and say Fogarty at 15, what would people's thoughts be on taking Joel Garner at 18? Seems to be a bit of a reach and may not perfectly fit our needs, but apparantly has leadership in spades and may satisfy Fagan/Nobles desire for a player with this leadership potential. Just read another article about him and he also mentions that if he is lucky enough to get into the AFL system, he has ambitions to become a future captain one day. Seems like the type of young man that u would love to have at the club character wise. I must admit that I don't know a lot about him as a player, but just a thought.

 

[Cockliff38]

Geez if that's how it played out I'd roll the dice on Higgins at 15 and would hope Fogarty is still there at 18.

 

[jackess]

Geez if that's how it played out I'd roll the dice on Higgins at 15 and would hope Fogarty is still there at 18.

Aren't the rumours that Bulldogs are keen on him? So whoever we don't pick. They will.

 

[lionshine]

Geez if that's how it played out I'd roll the dice on Higgins at 15 and would hope Fogarty is still there at 18.

Dogs almost certainties to select Fogarty with pick 16 apparently.

 

[JakePeralta]

It seems that Fagan and Noble really rate leadership qualities, which is why Brayshaw is heavily in the mix for pick 1. If we do indeed go with Rayner at 1 and say Fogarty at 15, what would people's thoughts be on taking Joel Garner at 18? Seems to be a bit of a reach and may not perfectly fit our needs, but apparantly has leadership in spades and may satisfy Fagan/Nobles desire for a player with this leadership potential. Just read another article about him and he also mentions that if he is lucky enough to get into the AFL system, he has ambitions to become a future captain one day. Seems like the type of young man that u would love to have at the club character wise. I must admit that I don't know a lot about him as a player, but just a thought.

Garner idolises Luke Hodge too. Would not be unhappy with that pick.

 

[Gadzorks]

"that our recruiters haven’t factored in all the available evidence before making a considered decision."

To me this is blind loyalty.

We have a very slow list because recruiters haven't put enough importance on speed and agility.

In my opinion only an inside ball winning freak (Blacky) gets a free pass on speed and agility and two or three per 22 is all thats required.

Iirc blacky was a state level 400m runner - might not be great over 10m but can go slightly slower for longer. Great 4th quartet player.

 

[dlanod]

It seems that Fagan and Noble really rate leadership qualities, which is why Brayshaw is heavily in the mix for pick 1. If we do indeed go with Rayner at 1 and say Fogarty at 15, what would people's thoughts be on taking Joel Garner at 18? Seems to be a bit of a reach and may not perfectly fit our needs, but apparantly has leadership in spades and may satisfy Fagan/Nobles desire for a player with this leadership potential. Just read another article about him and he also mentions that if he is lucky enough to get into the AFL system, he has ambitions to become a future captain one day. Seems like the type of young man that u would love to have at the club character wise. I must admit that I don't know a lot about him as a player, but just a thought.

I think he's getting a bit past it these days but if he wants to give AFL a go, why not?



(Sadly most of this year's draftees would never have gotten a chance to see him play...)

 

[briztoon]

Balmer's mock draft.

With Worpel gone by our late pick, goes fro Gryan Miers. Keeps that Geelong Falcons link going.

http://goo.gl/xvh7Aq