2017 Draft thread

[ManeMan]

Rayner, Fogarty and Miers? Can't see it happening personally.

 

[pulpdriver]

Fair bit of consensus building up about our first three picks. Like the group so hoping they're right but this draft seems like one of the most unpredictable ever.

 

[Bert Man]

I struggle to see the appeal in taking both Fogarty and Bailey with 15 and 18. A pure and bigger midfielder would be more to our needs, leaves us lacking from this draft when that's our biggest need is a strong bodied midfielder

 

[jackess]

I struggle to see the appeal in taking both Fogarty and Bailey with 15 and 18. A pure and bigger midfielder would be more to our needs, leaves us lacking from this draft when that's our biggest need is a strong bodied midfielder

Who's the bigger midfielder we should be taking?

Bailey is strong. He'll play like Brent Moloney.

 

[Bert Man]

Who's the bigger midfielder we should be taking?

Bailey is strong. He'll play like Brent Moloney.

He's 68 kg's, hardly a strong or imposing figure at AFL level.

 

[pulpdriver]

He's 68 kg's, hardly a strong or imposing figure at AFL level.

I'd be willing to bet he doesn't stay at that weight forever.

 

[ManeMan]

I struggle to see the appeal in taking both Fogarty and Bailey with 15 and 18. A pure and bigger midfielder would be more to our needs, leaves us lacking from this draft when that's our biggest need is a strong bodied midfielder

I've made my peace with the Bailey selection, if that is how it plays out. He's a powerful little unit and a completely different player to Fogarty. Ball use can be a bit iffy by foot at times, but has shades of Ablett about him i think. He can explode from stoppages and uses his evasiveness well through traffic. Mainly though i just love his competitiveness, you know he is going to tackle hard and attack the contest all game. Fogarty is more outside i think, though his CP numbers are quite good. He will start in the forward line, where Bailey is purely a midfielder.

 

[briztoon]

I struggle to see the appeal in taking both Fogarty and Bailey with 15 and 18. A pure and bigger midfielder would be more to our needs, leaves us lacking from this draft when that's our biggest need is a strong bodied midfielder

Agree, unfortunately it appears there are no big bodied midfielders really rated around pick 18.

The obvious choice is Charlie Constable. Elite disposal, but he's as slow as treacle.

 

[ManeMan]

He's 68 kg's, hardly a strong or imposing figure at AFL level.

Bailey is listed at 81kg on the draft central website. Looking at him, i'd say that's more accurate than 68kg.

 

[Bert Man]

Bailey is listed at 81kg on the draft central website. Looking at him, i'd say that's more accurate than 68kg.

AFL website has him at 68

 

[briztoon]

AFL website has him at 68

Have you seen the kid? No way he's 68kg.

 

[SizeMatters]

Who's the bigger midfielder we should be taking?

Bailey is strong. He'll play like Brent Moloney.

Strange comparison...

 

[jackess]

Strange comparison...

Why?

He's 68 kg's, hardly a strong or imposing figure at AFL level.

That's why you don't rely on outdated figures.

 

[rusty08]

Balmer's mock draft.

With Worpel gone by our late pick, goes fro Gryan Miers. Keeps that Geelong Falcons link going.

http://goo.gl/xvh7Aq

A bit of useless info, Miers is a lions supporter apparently

 

[ManeMan]

Assuming our first 3 picks play out as suggested, and Ballenden dodges a bid until after pick 30, it looks there will be some value still available to us at pick 44. If one of Petrucelle, Worpel, Houlahan, Spargo or Moore slides to us I will be ecstatic. More likely one of Jackson Ross, Noah Answerth or Brayden Ainswerth will still be available, which i'd also be happy with.

 

[25 years on]

The basics of our game are quite simple. It's a game of possession, if you don't have the ball you don't win, you can have the best fwds, the best defence, the quickest wingers, it doesn't matter, if you don't have the ball you lose. We desperately need ball winners, without them the others are just expensive ornaments.

 

[briztoon]

A bit of useless info, Miers is a lions supporter apparently

Must be something in the water down Geelong way. Not sure I'd recommend drinking it, but still it's working for us.

 

[SizeMatters]

Why?



That's why you don't rely on outdated figures.

Nothing like Moloney both in playing ability or physical tools.

 

[25 years on]

The follow up is that if we don't win, the best Fwds, the best defenders,the best wingers all leave because they want to play in a winning team

 

[pulpdriver]

Nothing like Moloney both in playing ability or physical tools.

I quite like the comparison to Moloney. Bailey is strong in the core, has a nice long kick but not particularly neat, barges through packs with what he can with his size; should be able to translate that to AFL when he puts on some size in a few years and he even has a running style that looks a lot like Beamer.

 

[jackess]

Nothing like Moloney both in playing ability or physical tools.

I quite like the comparison to Moloney. Bailey is strong in the core, has a nice long kick but not particularly neat, barges through packs with what he can with his size; should be able to translate that to AFL when he puts on some size in a few years and he even has a running style that looks a lot like Beamer.

Bingo

Short but strong inside mids with good acceleration. Hopefully he can learn to run both ways though.

 

[Comeback Lions]

Fogarty is more outside i think, though his CP numbers are quite good. He will start in the forward line, where Bailey is purely a midfielder.

Fogarty is the prototype small pressure forward, a tackling machine. 9.3 tackles a game at Champs; 9.7 tackles a game at TAC cup.
Tac cup CP 78 (45%) UP 96; 25 possessions per game average.
Champs CP 23 (38 %) up 36; 19 possessions per game average

Fogarty gets the ball more than Rayner at both levels, so is hardly outside, which I realise you acknowledge.
It's interesting to compare Fogarty's stats with Rayner, who only beats Fogarty in the contested possession ration and goals kicked, from a quick sqizz.

 

[SizeMatters]

Reckon Fogarty will be a steal. Kid is going to be elite.

 

[blynd_freddie]

I struggle to see the appeal in taking both Fogarty and Bailey with 15 and 18. A pure and bigger midfielder would be more to our needs, leaves us lacking from this draft when that's our biggest need is a strong bodied midfielder

I'm happy with Jarrod Berry, currently at 192cms and 84kgs as being that strong bodied mid going forward - Fogarty and Bailey seem smart fills from this draft and then we see where we fall come next years super draft. THEN BRING ON 2019!!!!

 

[ManeMan]

Fogarty is the prototype small pressure forward, a tackling machine. 9.3 tackles a game at Champs; 9.7 tackles a game at TAC cup.
Tac cup CP 78 (45%) UP 96; 25 possessions per game average.
Champs CP 23 (38 %) up 36; 19 possessions per game average

Fogarty gets the ball more than Rayner at both levels, so is hardly outside, which I realise you acknowledge.
It's interesting to compare Fogarty's stats with Rayner, who only beats Fogarty in the contested possession ration and goals kicked, from a quick sqizz.

Fogarty is a beauty and i really hope we grab him. I was only comparing him to Bailey when it was questioned why we would be grabbing both at 15 and 18 when they are of a similar height. I was just saying i don't see a problem as they are different type of players, Bailey being an inside midfielder. For what it's worth though, i would think our recruiting staff see Fogarty becoming a midfielder down the track. He's played midfielder most of they year, with stints in the forward line (hence his high numbers). I would have been surprised if Rayner had a higher possession count, considering he plays a higher percentage in the fwd line.