2017 Draft thread

[WhiteLionFeva]

Apologies that my original posts main point was not clear- I intended to point out that acquiring one or two of gold coasts second rounders could aid us in potentially landing a Charlie Cameron, withoutout losing our third selection, but still have currency to match a Ballenden bid.
Trading down was merely a possible avenue (I am personally pro Rayner and prefer we don't trade #1).

It's a worthy discussion point but I just don't see us trading down unless it's an offer too good to refuse. Pick 3 and couple of second rounders doesn't meet that requirement. I just think some are over-stating our desire to match a bid on Ballenden. We are more likely to trade pick 1 for two high first rounders but I don't see that happening either.

 

[jjami15]

Firstly, were not sure which player they like or rate No1. Last year they moved back one spot and struck gold with the player they rated as the best player. Rayner and LDU are the two top rated you would think and AFL clubs would flip flop between the two as that pick 1. I reckon the only way we trade back is one of two scenarios. 1, like last year we move back one spot thinking that we would still be able to get the player we rate as the best player. 2, we have both 1 and 2 (cheers Rocky) we keep 2 thinking that again we still get the best player in the draft and engage another club for two high picks such as St Kilda or GWS, who I think are going to lose a few.

 

[a mayes ing]

Isn't that exactly the kind of role that Hipwood played in his draft year?

Im not sure, l didn't really watch him tbh. However l was under the impression we only got really interested when he had that breakout period when he was forward and he got 3 goals in a quarter. However, could be mistaken. Would love Ballenden to have a breakout performnce up forward similar to how Hippy did as l doubt we would want to spend a high pick for a ruckman. The fact he can play down back is encouraging tho

 

[Hollow Knight]

Im not sure, l didn't really watch him tbh. However l was under the impression we only got really interested when he had that breakout period when he was forward and he got 3 goals in a quarter. However, could be mistaken.

Definitely mistaken. It just became more and more futile to disguise our interest.

 

[a mayes ing]

Definitely mistaken. It just became more and more futile to disguise our interest.

Do you think we are interested enough in Ballenden to take him, similar to the interest we had in Hipwood?

 

[SizeMatters]

Can't see us trading pick 1. It's the 'prestige' and media hype, marketing etc. that comes with having the pick 1. We need all the promotions we can get.

 

[Hollow Knight]

Do you think we are interested enough in Ballenden to take him, similar to the interest we had in Hipwood?

I'd only be guessing but seems to me that Noble is pretty scientific about list management. If we have to match a bid for Ballenden that is higher than we value him at or compromises our wider draft plans, I don't think Noble will lose much sleep about leaving him on the table.

We did the same with Declan Watson last year. We wanted him, but not at the expense of the bigger picture.

 

[Hollow Knight]

Can't see us trading pick 1. It's the 'prestige' and media hype, marketing etc. that comes with having the pick 1. We need all the promotions we can get.

I dunno, Fagan specifically said last week that in retrospect all the hype and promotion around Schache as soon as he arrived at the club was unhealthy and they need to protect recruits from that in the future.

And at the risk of going on and on about Noble, he doesn't seem like the sort of guy who would factor in promotion and prestige when planning for the draft.

 

[SizeMatters]

I dunno, Fagan specifically said last week that in retrospect all the hype and promotion around Schache as soon as he arrived at the club was unhealthy and they need to protect recruits from that in the future.

And at the risk of going on and on about Noble, he doesn't seem like the sort of guy who would factor in promotion and prestige when planning for the draft.

Yeah seems fair enough. I personally would love to down trade to bring in another top 20 pick but still it's a big risk trading pick 1.

I wonder what that Dom Ambrogio bloke is like. Clayton gets all the bad wraps at the Suns for their overall list demographics but Dom would have played a part surely?

 

[M Malice]

If we were to trade pick 1 here are the top 4 rated players on a few of the BF phantom drafters rankings-
1) Cameron Rayner. 2) Paddy Dow. 3) Luke Davies-Uniacke 4) Will Sutherland. (Knightmare)
1) Cameron Rayner. 2) Jarrod Brander. 3) Adam Cerra. 4) Luke Davies-Uniacke. (Lemming Master)
1) Jarrod Brander. 2) Luke Davies-Uniacke. 3) Darcy Fogarty. 4) Jaidyn Stephenson. (Bishop)
1) Jaidyn Stephenson. 2) Luke Davies-Uniacke. 3) Adam Cerra. 4) Cameron Rayner. (Chris25)
1) Darcy Fogarty. 2) Luke Davies-Uniacke. 3) Cameron Rayner. 4) Jaidyn Stephenson. (DPS)
1) Cameron Rayner. 2) Luke Davies-Uniacke. 3) Adam Cerra. 4) Darcy Fogarty. (Callum Twomey)

Davies-Uniacke the only one in all 6 phantom drafters lists.

 

[buttermuffs]

If we were to trade pick 1 here are the top 4 rated players on a few of the BF phantom drafters rankings-
1) Cameron Rayner. 2) Paddy Dow. 3) Luke Davies-Uniacke 4) Will Sutherland. (Knightmare)
1) Cameron Rayner. 2) Jarrod Brander. 3) Adam Cerra. 4) Luke Davies-Uniacke. (Lemming Master)
1) Jarrod Brander. 2) Luke Davies-Uniacke. 3) Darcy Fogarty. 4) Jaidyn Stephenson. (Bishop)
1) Jaidyn Stephenson. 2) Luke Davies-Uniacke. 3) Adam Cerra. 4) Cameron Rayner. (Chris25)
1) Darcy Fogarty. 2) Luke Davies-Uniacke. 3) Cameron Rayner. 4) Jaidyn Stephenson. (DPS)
1) Cameron Rayner. 2) Luke Davies-Uniacke. 3) Adam Cerra. 4) Darcy Fogarty. (Callum Twomey)

Davies-Uniacke the only one in all 6 phantom drafters lists.

Wouldn't mind at all trading to pick 3, getting that clubs 2nd rounder at 20 or 21 depending if we get a pp at the end of the second round. I would be happy with LDU, Rayner if they slipped. And if they don't I'd be fine with Cerra or Dow considering we have another top 20 which can be used for Charlie or another young gun.

3, 10-15, 18, 20.

3: CR, LDU, AC, PD.

10-15: Clark, Worpel, Petrucelle, Higgins, whoever your heart desires. KM had Fogs all the way down in this range, and I would be ecstatic getting him considering how high he's ranked at one point.

18: Most likely used for Ballenden, with our third rounder being pushed back as well.

20: Charlie Cameron

Not even accounting for if we get a pp for being bottom or maybe losing our beloved Rocky.

 

[Dalions]

Do you think we are interested enough in Ballenden to take him, similar to the interest we had in Hipwood?

Both Fagan and Noble have stated that they want to continue to invest in the Academy boys and Queenslanders. I think we will take him, but not if the bid is too early. But i honestly think he will slip to a reasonably manageable level. Pick 15 to 20.

 

[Len S]

If we were to trade pick 1 here are the top 4 rated players on a few of the BF phantom drafters rankings-
1) Cameron Rayner. 2) Paddy Dow. 3) Luke Davies-Uniacke 4) Will Sutherland. (Knightmare)
1) Cameron Rayner. 2) Jarrod Brander. 3) Adam Cerra. 4) Luke Davies-Uniacke. (Lemming Master)
1) Jarrod Brander. 2) Luke Davies-Uniacke. 3) Darcy Fogarty. 4) Jaidyn Stephenson. (Bishop)
1) Jaidyn Stephenson. 2) Luke Davies-Uniacke. 3) Adam Cerra. 4) Cameron Rayner. (Chris25)
1) Darcy Fogarty. 2) Luke Davies-Uniacke. 3) Cameron Rayner. 4) Jaidyn Stephenson. (DPS)
1) Cameron Rayner. 2) Luke Davies-Uniacke. 3) Adam Cerra. 4) Darcy Fogarty. (Callum Twomey)

Davies-Uniacke the only one in all 6 phantom drafters lists.

Stephenson would interest us,he doesn't duplicate whats already there as do all tbe others.

 

[a mayes ing]

Not really a fan of Stephenson. I think he wiill end up a good player but for a pick 1 we want an elite player. Just feel that Mayner or LDU should be the players to go unless there is a Clayton Oliver type who rises which i hope there is.

 

[briztoon]

From what I have seen of Charlie Cameron, our second round pick is an over pay.

Apologies, I can not remember who suggested it, but if we were interested in trading for Cameron, we might consider trading our second round pick for two of GC's second round picks. Pick 18 for pick 24 and 30. I also consider this trade if we have a genuine interest in James Worpel and he is projected to slide in to the middle of the second round.

But first I ask St Kilda if our pick 18 plus Ports pick is enough to trade for their first pick, pick 6.

This draft I am more interested in drafting quality over quantity. I would be happy walking away with two high draftees plus Ballenden. If we have a healthy list next year, we're going to have a lot of kids drafted over the previous 3 years to put some playing time in to.

I wouldn't be surprised if Paddy Dow has an outstanding second half of the season and climbs draft rankings like Taranto did last year.

If you are not already, follow AFL Draft Central online. https://www.afldraftcentral.com.au

 

[Panthera]

Both Fagan and Noble have stated that they want to continue to invest in the Academy boys and Queenslanders. I think we will take him, but not if the bid is too early. But i honestly think he will slip to a reasonably manageable level. Pick 15 to 20.

Unless he has a massive game up forward for our NEAFL team before the draft - there's no way he gets a bid in the first 10.

With Schache and Hipwood signed up; there is no pressure on us to take him so clubs can not use that against us.

At this stage, looking pick 10 onwards (obviously the order can change ten fold):

10. West Coast
11. Sydney
12. St. Kilda
13. Richmond
14. Melbourne
15. Brisbane Lions (via Port)
16. Richmond
17. Adelaide
18. Brisbane Lions
19. North
20. Geelong (via Carlton)

Only Richmond need a KPF before our picks and they have 13 and 16 currently.

It'd be nice to be able to use two picks before taking CB...but not a whole lot of difference between 15 & 18.

 

[SizeMatters]

Stephenson would interest us,he doesn't duplicate whats already there as do all tbe others.

I recall you watch a lot of U18 champs and TAC cup Len. Who in your opinion you think will go pick 1? Could there be a smokie?

 

[Chezz]

Not really a fan of Stephenson. I think he wiill end up a good player but for a pick 1 we want an elite player. Just feel that Mayner or LDU should be the players to go unless there is a Clayton Oliver type who rises which i hope there is.

I might be in the minority here, but from what I've seen Stephenson has been the most impressive of the potential draftees. Has great run and knows how to get the ball. He'd be my pick 1 at this stage. Rayner is probably the most likely to be able to play Round 1 next year as he's already huge

 

[SizeMatters]

I might be in the minority here, but from what I've seen Stephenson has been the most impressive of the potential draftees. Has great run and knows how to get the ball. He'd be my pick 1 at this stage. Rayner is probably the most likely to be able to play Round 1 next year as he's already huge

I like Stephenson as well. A huge question mark though is that statistically draftees who don't have high CP numbers generally fail at the higher level. His kicking style is a bit unorthodox as well both field and goal kicking but you have to like his physical attributes. Can read the play very well to get into attacking positions, very clean once the ball his the deck and has that break away pace that will always make him a threat. IIRC a die hard Lions supporter as wll.

 

[hyper realist]

From what I have seen of Charlie Cameron, our second round pick is an over pay.

Apologies, I can not remember who suggested it, but if we were interested in trading for Cameron, we might consider trading our second round pick for two of GC's second round picks. Pick 18 for pick 24 and 30. I also consider this trade if we have a genuine interest in James Worpel and he is projected to slide in to the middle of the second round.

But first I ask St Kilda if our pick 18 plus Ports pick is enough to trade for their first pick, pick 6.

This draft I am more interested in drafting quality over quantity. I would be happy walking away with two high draftees plus Ballenden. If we have a healthy list next year, we're going to have a lot of kids drafted over the previous 3 years to put some playing time in to.

I wouldn't be surprised if Paddy Dow has an outstanding second half of the season and climbs draft rankings like Taranto did last year.

If you are not already, follow AFL Draft Central online. https://www.afl*******************

i'm convnced gws will want to "retrieve" brander and also be interested in stephenson and rayner as difference makers to their team. whether they win the flag or not will alter their choices as will who they lose(or gain) in the trade period plus ? dustin martin moving and where all the draft picks land.i suspect we can horse trade for 2 picks with a bit of luck, maybe 2 lots of deals.i used to think we could delist 8 and 8 over the next 2 years, now more 6 and 10 with mostly only the depth players remaining.IMO merely.
if s.martin, rocky or please god rich were to leave we would be better off-draft wise
and lastly i'm not sure the spine is finished and would be really pleased to get ballenden and payne, in ballenden's case i would rather we found out what he can or cant do and to what standard than someone else.by sustained finals i suspect it will be ballenden and mcinerny or mcinerny and someone else by then
cheers

 

[carnthemlions]

i'm convnced gws will want to "retrieve" brander and also be interested in stephenson and rayner as difference makers to their team. whether they win the flag or not will alter their choices as will who they lose(or gain) in the trade period plus ? dustin martin moving and where all the draft picks land.i suspect we can horse trade for 2 picks with a bit of luck, maybe 2 lots of deals.i used to think we could delist 8 and 8 over the next 2 years, now more 6 and 10 with mostly only the depth players remaining.IMO merely.
if s.martin, rocky or please god rich were to leave we would be better off-draft wise
and lastly i'm not sure the spine is finished and would be really pleased to get ballenden and payne, in ballenden's case i would rather we found out what he can or cant do and to what standard than someone else.by sustained finals i suspect it will be ballenden and mcinerny or mcinerny and someone else by then
cheers

Great, can't wait.

 

[briztoon]

A lot of new posters in the draft thread recently.

 

[buttermuffs]

A lot of new posters in the draft thread recently.

I only joined a couple weeks ago. Was lacking some much needed Lions talk in my life.

 

[buttermuffs]

From what I have seen of Charlie Cameron, our second round pick is an over pay.

Apologies, I can not remember who suggested it, but if we were interested in trading for Cameron, we might consider trading our second round pick for two of GC's second round picks. Pick 18 for pick 24 and 30. I also consider this trade if we have a genuine interest in James Worpel and he is projected to slide in to the middle of the second round.

But first I ask St Kilda if our pick 18 plus Ports pick is enough to trade for their first pick, pick 6.

This draft I am more interested in drafting quality over quantity. I would be happy walking away with two high draftees plus Ballenden. If we have a healthy list next year, we're going to have a lot of kids drafted over the previous 3 years to put some playing time in to.

I wouldn't be surprised if Paddy Dow has an outstanding second half of the season and climbs draft rankings like Taranto did last year.

If you are not already, follow AFL Draft Central online. https://www.afl*******************

Points wise Gold Coast would want our third rounder as well to even up the trade, either that or a player (Lyons, Hanley but they aren't worth that much).

Would we be sending over the pick in the thirties? Or the earlier one? If we don't get any pp we might start to struggle to match points if Ballenden is taken early after the Port pick.

 

[briztoon]

Points wise Gold Coast would want our third rounder as well to even up the trade, either that or a player (Lyons, Hanley but they aren't worth that much).

Would we be sending over the pick in the thirties? Or the earlier one? If we don't get any pp we might start to struggle to match points if Ballenden is taken early after the Port pick.

When ever looking at points and needing to match etc, I always check out this post in the trade and draft thread.
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/thre...-order-picks-based-on-current-ladder.1160828/