2017 Draft thread

[cotter101]

There are very few players with consistently poor kicking efficiency who have enough of an impact to make that deficiency forgivable.

If Rayner is Petracca with worse endurance, that's a problem. Petracca still struggles to impact games in more than bursts and, even though he's decent there, you wouldn't exactly call him a match winner as a forward.
I'm not saying he won't live up to his potential, but even when you take his injury into account it seems to me that the weaknesses people talked about in his game have shown up at afl level.

Most inside mids hover around the 65% mark. When we're talking DE%, it's generally a pretty average stat unless your comparing similar players.

As I mentioned Worpel's kicking isn't actually that bad itself. More his tenancy to just bang it on the boot and get it forward.

It's a issue that can be fixed.

 

[BLions50v2]

I'm on the Dow train. I just have a feeling the risk of Rayner both as a talent and a flight risk is too great for pick 1. If Dow is rated as pick 2 or 3 and we're keen, we'd no doubt be able to down trade to get an extra pick in the top 20.

Why do you say Rayner is a flight risk? Also Cal Twomey rated Dow pick 11

 

[briztoon]

I'm on the Dow train. I just have a feeling the risk of Rayner both as a talent and a flight risk is too great for pick 1. If Dow is rated as pick 2 or 3 and we're keen, we'd no doubt be able to down trade to get an extra pick in the top 20.

Still the trade period to come, but I just don't see any of the teams early first round picks able to do this. North Melbourne or Gold Coast would be the closest to being able to do this, and I don't believe North would trade 2 & 19 for pick 1.

 

[jjami15]

LDU for me with pick 1. He is AFL ready and have gone back and watched GiantRoo's clips and you can just see with the way he looks for the 45deg kick straight away and to keep the ball moving on. There some slight areas of concern and think that he isn't the inside bull that we need but he can go and get the ball in the contest if needed. He presents as someone that can have that duality of inside and out that is required.

Andy Brayshaw is someone that I am thinking could be a very good option later and within an AFL environment will become quite a good player. In the Nationals champs he didn't get too much of a run on the ball but this shows that he can also play other positions.

I'm a little biased, but I reckon Matt Ling would be worth a pick

He is another that was played out of position in the national champs but, it might have been yourself who raised his name, I did keep an eye out for him when they played WA and he showed some really good passages down back and does have a bit of speed as well.

I'm on the Dow train. I just have a feeling the risk of Rayner both as a talent and a flight risk is too great for pick 1. If Dow is rated as pick 2 or 3 and we're keen, we'd no doubt be able to down trade to get an extra pick in the top 20.

I'm a little perplexed by the noise around Dow, I thought he had a good champs but nothing that screamed top 3. Not a lot did really. I thought that Zac Bailey showed just about the same and there's little to no noise about him. Dow will still go 5-10 though.

i think we will most likely trade a future second rounder for Cameron, Would be the best outcome

I was all excited by Cameron possibly coming but just lately I would pass on him. Last week 13 of our 22 were 22 and they really did show something in parts throughout and for possibly the first time in a long time I could see the light at the end of the tunnel you might say. Eventhough it's not the strongest draft but I reckon there is still some quality in it. Keep building through the draft, back our recruiters in.

 

[briztoon]

Why do you say Rayner is a flight risk? Also Cal Twomey rated Dow pick 11

I asked Brett Anderson if Rayner would be a flight risk, got an affirmative response. I asked Twomey if LDU would be a flight risk, got a wouldn't think so response.

This time last year Twomey had Taranto rated at 18. Big boards are just an individuals ranking of players. Quite a few draft watchers have Dow comfortably in the top 10.

 

[a mayes ing]

I'm on the Dow train. I just have a feeling the risk of Rayner both as a talent and a flight risk is too great for pick 1. If Dow is rated as pick 2 or 3 and we're keen, we'd no doubt be able to down trade to get an extra pick in the top 20.

100% agree. I am on the Dow train as well. Pace, good disposal efficiency, hard at it, can get his own ball on the inside. Hopefully he has some leadership credentials (we are starting to get good leaders in our young guys but could always use more).

 

[a mayes ing]

Still the trade period to come, but I just don't see any of the teams early first round picks able to do this. North Melbourne or Gold Coast would be the closest to being able to do this, and I don't believe North would trade 2 & 19 for pick 1.

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If they want Cameron Rayner and we threaten that we will take him, then they might trade us pick 2 and 19?

 

[carnthemlions]

Most inside mids hover around the 65% mark. When we're talking DE%, it's generally a pretty average stat unless your comparing similar players.

As I mentioned Worpel's kicking isn't actually that bad itself. More his tenancy to just bang it on the boot and get it forward.

It's a issue that can be fixed.

I agree that DE overall isn't that useful, but I think that kicking efficiency tends to tell you a lot about a player. I don't really have an opinion either way on Worpel, was just making the point that players in the afl these days have to be very good in other areas to cover for poor kicking efficiency.

I asked Brett Anderson if Rayner would be a flight risk, got an affirmative response. I asked Twomey if LDU would be a flight risk, got a wouldn't think so response.

This time last year Twomey had Taranto rated at 18. Big boards are just an individuals ranking of players. Quite a few draft watchers have Dow comfortably in the top 10.

Speaking of Taranto, I wonder how people think he compares with LDU. Taranto spent more time forward in his draft year, but this year he's showed that he's largely a mid at afl level.

 

[DanT7]

Crazy plan...

Trade 1 for Hawthorn's 2018 first round + Billy Hartung

Trade 14 & 18 for 17, 34 & Charlie Cameron (Adelaide)

Trade 17 for 25 & 26 (GWS)

25 for best available fast rebounding defender

26 & 34 points for Ballenden and best available midfielder.

44 for Ben Allan

72 for Jordan Keras

Luke Hodge as FA.

 

[BLions50v2]

LDU for me with pick 1. He is AFL ready and have gone back and watched GiantRoo's clips and you can just see with the way he looks for the 45deg kick straight away and to keep the ball moving on. There some slight areas of concern and think that he isn't the inside bull that we need but he can go and get the ball in the contest if needed. He presents as someone that can have that duality of inside and out that is required.



I was all excited by Cameron possibly coming but just lately I would pass on him. Last week 13 of our 22 were 22 and they really did show something in parts throughout and for possibly the first time in a long time I could see the light at the end of the tunnel you might say. Eventhough it's not the strongest draft but I reckon there is still some quality in it. Keep building through the draft, back our recruiters in.

-I don't think we need a inside mid that much Matho THE BEAST is gonna be a amazing inside mid and also keays and berry will do a decent job feeding it out

-The reason i think we need cameron is we lack pace around the ball and inside our fwd he can also do a number of roles you can't pass on a player like him,Would be nice to see him and lewy taylor running around together and cameron will be turning 24 next year so he has some experience even though he was drafted older

 

[Len S]

Why do you say Rayner is a flight risk? Also Cal Twomey rated Dow pick 11

There are a lot better judges around than Mr Twomey,thank heavens....several are in our recruiting dept.I know who I'd prefer was calling the shots.

 

[briztoon]

Crazy plan...

Trade 1 for Hawthorn's 2018 first round + Billy Hartung

Trade 14 & 18 for 17, 34 & Charlie Cameron (Adelaide)

Trade 17 for 25 & 26 (GWS)

25 for best available fast rebounding defender

26 & 34 points for Ballenden and best available midfielder.

44 for Ben Allan

72 for Jordan Keras

Luke Hodge as FA.

Unless you are picking Ballenden, instead of matching a bid, the bolded section doesn't work.

 

[Carlos Danger]

Crazy plan...

Trade 1 for Hawthorn's 2018 first round + Billy Hartung

Trade 14 & 18 for 17, 34 & Charlie Cameron (Adelaide)

Trade 17 for 25 & 26 (GWS)

25 for best available fast rebounding defender

26 & 34 points for Ballenden and best available midfielder.

44 for Ben Allan

72 for Jordan Keras

Luke Hodge as FA.

With you for the first two words... After that you're on your own

 

[Len S]

I asked Brett Anderson if Rayner would be a flight risk, got an affirmative response. I asked Twomey if LDU would be a flight risk, got a wouldn't think so response.

This time last year Twomey had Taranto rated at 18. Big boards are just an individuals ranking of players. Quite a few draft watchers have Dow comfortably in the top 10.

They also listen to each other not that I disagree with you,but the herd mentality can kick in.I think our recruiting people are bloody smart and will be well over all this stuff.

 

[Len S]

100% agree. I am on the Dow train as well. Pace, good disposal efficiency, hard at it, can get his own ball on the inside. Hopefully he has some leadership credentials (we are starting to get good leaders in our young guys but could always use more).

I think LDU is very one paced,and is not what we need ,Dow and Stephenson for example are very different to Worpel and LDU.Incidentally, Dow , is a beautiful long,straight kick..ie...his technique tells me he is an excellent kick of the Australian football,as David Parkin once described a Fitzroy star to me!

 

[SizeMatters]

I tell ya. Paddy Dow is were we should be investing. I haven't watched many draftee games this year compared to the past few years so I don't really know who was considered top 10 material. I looked up some names from the draft board and out of all the blokes I've seen Dow was the one who stuck out for mine. Raynor I'm 50/50 on, can he play midfield minutes is the major question. He's a good prospect but whispers wanting to stay in Victoria worries me, although not sure if true or not. LDU projects to be a is consistent '200 gamer' but he lacks point of difference IMO. Reminds me a bit of a upgraded Redden IMO who at his prime was an honest workman who plays his role, neat skills and willing tackler. Nothing wrong with that but I feel we are in a position to be a bit more aggressive. Dow has a point of difference to our current crop. Has some break away pace, attacks the contest hard, reads the ball in congestion and off ruck hands very well, late birth month and a slighter frame suggest he still has room to grow physically. He's 8-10 kgs lighter than his opponents but still manages to stand up in tackles and dispose of the ball which is a good trait to have. Never gives up even when out bodied. Bendigo country player as well which is another box ticked.

 

[Len S]

-I don't think we need a inside mid that much Matho THE BEAST is gonna be a amazing inside mid and also keays and berry will do a decent job feeding it out

-The reason i think we need cameron is we lack pace around the ball and inside our fwd he can also do a number of roles you can't pass on a player like him,Would be nice to see him and lewy taylor running around together and cameron will be turning 24 next year so he has some experience even though he was drafted older

Absolutely, we need damaging ,line breaking, powerful accelerators.

 

[Hollow Knight]

Yeah there's something about Dow. The rest of the TAC Cup season is going to be really interesting. I am hopeful he continues to shine because he ticks a lot of boxes for us.

 

[Len S]

I tell ya. Paddy Dow is were we should be investing. I haven't watched many draftee games this year compared to the past few years so I don't really know who was considered top 10 material. I looked up some names from the draft board and out of all the blokes I've seen Dow was the one who stuck out for mine. Raynor I'm 50/50 on, can he play midfield minutes is the major question. He's a good prospect but whispers wanting to stay in Victoria worries me, although not sure if true or not. LDU projects to be a is consistent '200 gamer' but he lacks point of difference IMO. Reminds me a bit of a upgraded Redden IMO who at his prime was an honest workman who plays his role, neat skills and willing tackler. Nothing wrong with that but I feel we are in a position to be a bit more aggressive. Dow has a point of difference to our current crop. Has some break away pace, attacks the contest hard, reads the ball in congestion and off ruck hands very well, late birth month and a slighter frame suggest he still has room to grow physically. He's 8-10 kgs lighter than his opponents but still manages to stand up in tackles and dispose of the ball which is a good trait to have. Never gives up even out bodied. Bendigo country player as well which is another box ticked.

Great read, Paddy has friends in high places at the Lions,probably your description helps us understand why.If he's there at pick 4 or 5, I'd look hard at Luke Power 's little mate,Spargo.

 

[Len S]

Crazy plan...

Trade 1 for Hawthorn's 2018 first round + Billy Hartung

Trade 14 & 18 for 17, 34 & Charlie Cameron (Adelaide)

Trade 17 for 25 & 26 (GWS)

25 for best available fast rebounding defender

26 & 34 points for Ballenden and best available midfielder.

44 for Ben Allan

72 for Jordan Keras

Luke Hodge as FA.

Hartang is another Bewick, wont go in.

 

[BLions50v2]

Great read, Paddy has friends in high places at the Lions,probably your description helps us understand why.If he's there at pick 4 or 5, I'd look hard at Luke Power 's little mate,Spargo.

What do you mean by "Paddy has friends in high places at the Lions"

Also i really rate Spargo looked good under age in the TAC cup final last year also don't think Go home factor will be a issue, He is currently injured and out for the season so hopefully he can be our 2017 Witherden

 

[DanT7]

I'm really hoping we inject pace into the team. We are often torn apart by quick players. Some guys with explosive pace are a must get for me...

 

[jjami15]

What do you mean by "Paddy has friends in high places at the Lions"

Also i really rate Spargo looked good under age in the TAC cup final last year also don't think Go home factor will be a issue, He is currently injured and out for the season so hopefully he can be our 2017 Witherden

Our recruiters, especially one of them, are very big fans of Paddy Dow.

 

[BLions50v2]

I'm really hoping we inject pace into the team. We are often torn apart by quick players. Some guys with explosive pace are a must get for me...

Agreed thats why fagan needs to pull his head out and drop lester for allison,Allison was the quickest recored player over 20m at last years draft at 2.87s and has been in some good form in the NEAFL hope he comes in this week

 

[briztoon]

http://www.lions.com.au/news/2016-12-06/leon-harris-joins-recruitment-team