2017 Draft thread

[Sproj]

Well then it would push back our pick 23 to pick 30

A worthwhile gamble would you suggest?

 

[briztoon]

A big reason why I and quite a few others have been keen to trade 12 & 18 for a top 10 pick and an early 3rd round pick.

 

[Dalions]

We will get Ballenden either way but do we take a bloke at pick 20 in a weak draft or someone at ~pick 30 in a strong draft or potentially weakening our trade hand next year. These are the questions we'll have to ask ourselves.

A good part of it may depend on what happens in the next 25hrs RE: Schache

 

[briztoon]

Depends if we consider our 2018 second round pick as fair value in a trade for Charlie Cameron.

 

[M Malice]

Callum Twomey just on saying that the Lions will take Cameron Rayner at pick 1. His top 15 Phantom draft ATM.

Lions- Cameron Rayner.
Suns- Luke Davies-Uniacke.
Blues- Paddy Dow.
Kangaroos- Adam Cerra.
Dockers- Aaron Naughton.
Magpies- Jarrod Brander.
Saints- Andrew Brayshaw.
Saints- Jaidyn Stephenson.
Bulldogs- Nick Coffield.
Crows- Darcy Fogarty.
Giants- Jack Higgins.
Lions- Hunter Clark.
Eagles- Oscar Allen.
Swans- Charlie Constable.
Tigers- Sam Hayes.

The potential bolter- Aiden Bonar.

 

[Dalions]

A big reason why I and quite a few others have been keen to trade 12 & 18 for a top 10 pick and an early 3rd round pick.

Hopefully the Sts come to the party with 7 or 8.
Doubtful they will give away 7 with eyes on
A. Bonar.

 

[jackess]

Callum Twomey just on saying that the Lions will take Cameron Rayner at pick 1. His top 15 Phantom draft ATM.

Lions- Cameron Rayner.
Suns- Luke Davies-Uniacke.
Blues- Paddy Dow.
Kangaroos- Adam Cerra.
Dockers- Aaron Naughton.
Magpies- Jarrod Brander.
Saints- Andrew Brayshaw.
Saints- Jaidyn Stephenson.
Bulldogs- Nick Coffield.
Crows- Darcy Fogarty.
Giants- Jack Higgins.
Lions- Hunter Clark.
Eagles- Oscar Allen.
Swans- Charlie Constable.
Tigers- Sam Hayes.

The potential bolter- Aiden Bonar.

Saints doing very nicely.

 

[pulpdriver]

Callum Twomey just on saying that the Lions will take Cameron Rayner at pick 1. His top 15 Phantom draft ATM.

Lions- Cameron Rayner.
Suns- Luke Davies-Uniacke.
Blues- Paddy Dow.
Kangaroos- Adam Cerra.
Dockers- Aaron Naughton.
Magpies- Jarrod Brander.
Saints- Andrew Brayshaw.
Saints- Jaidyn Stephenson.
Bulldogs- Nick Coffield.
Crows- Darcy Fogarty.
Giants- Jack Higgins.
Lions- Hunter Clark.
Eagles- Oscar Allen.
Swans- Charlie Constable.
Tigers- Sam Hayes.

The potential bolter- Aiden Bonar.

I hope he's right about Brander and Naughton ending up in the top 10.

 

[Pns_blister]

A worthwhile gamble would you suggest?

Nah I don't think so, and I don't think it will happen either. I'm of the same opinion as a few others around here, in that I think we will use 12, 18, 20 (if we don't get cameron), and whatever we get for Schache to trade up in the draft. Whilst also gaining another late second/early 3rd to cover Ballenden bid.

 

[Sproj]

Are there any other decent academy guys this year?

 

[pulpdriver]

Are there any other decent academy guys this year?

There's a very large key defender in Jack Payne who has won a few fans but it seems likely he'd be available with a late pick. I'm hoping we're able to move him straight to our rookie list at the end of the draft.

 

[mikey127]

wasn't the mail that we don't want Rayner?

 

[spotthedog1]

That was the mail on Bigfooty. After someone suggested he'd want to go home. He's come out and said he doesn't care - happy to go interstate. Who knows what he really thinks though, and who knows what that looks like in 2 years (see Schache, Joshua).

We're getting someone from Victoria at pick 1, so unless the club has some interesting read, i think it'll be who they genuinely think is top.

 

[Sproj]

Would be nice if a few of these kids actually want to stay around.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

So if he slides to 25, will we have enough draft points to keep him? Or as mentioned above, would just taking him at 18 or 20 be the better and safer option? There is no chance we won't pick him up though, surely?

We can always trade back from 20 and pick up a points surplus if it comes to that.

 

[Lazza16]

His endurance testing was pretty bad according to someone on the St Kilda board, so that could kill the hype a bit.

Probably that's y he is wide

Callum Twomey just on saying that the Lions will take Cameron Rayner at pick 1. His top 15 Phantom draft ATM.

Lions- Cameron Rayner.
Suns- Luke Davies-Uniacke.
Blues- Paddy Dow.
Kangaroos- Adam Cerra.
Dockers- Aaron Naughton.
Magpies- Jarrod Brander.
Saints- Andrew Brayshaw.
Saints- Jaidyn Stephenson.
Bulldogs- Nick Coffield.
Crows- Darcy Fogarty.
Giants- Jack Higgins.
Lions- Hunter Clark.
Eagles- Oscar Allen.
Swans- Charlie Constable.
Tigers- Sam Hayes.

The potential bolter- Aiden Bonar.

Oscar Allen would be nice as well....but can't be greedy

 

[Lazza16]

Hopefully the Sts come to the party with 7 or 8.
Doubtful they will give away 7 with eyes on
A. Bonar.

They can look at A. Bonar but not touch......he is ourssssssss

 

[trikster]

Would be nice if a few of these kids actually want to stay around.

If you look at who we have re-signed over the last 12 months or so you'll see the vast majority are .... now

 

[Sproj]

If you look at who we have re-signed over the last 12 months or so you'll see the vast majority are .... now

Yeah you are not wrong but it just seems it is only ever the top end talent that wants to leave funnily enough. The conspiracy theorist in me suggests they may often receive some quiet suggestions from down south themselves.

Luckily, the Lions seem to have entered the modern era these last two years or so.

 

[trikster]

Yeah you are not wrong but it just seems it is only ever the top end talent that wants to leave funnily enough. The conspiracy theorist in me suggests they may often receive some quiet suggestions from down south themselves. Luckily, the Lions seem to have entered the modern era these last two years or so.

I'm sure they do, and I'd be disappointed in the Lions if they weren't doing the same to every Queenslander in the comp. Other than Schacke I think you'll find nearly everyone of the top picks has or is about to re-sign. Clugga is in talks, I'm sure Witherden will be next on the list, Berry/Cox already re-signed from last year.

 

[lionshine]

Callum Twomey just on saying that the Lions will take Cameron Rayner at pick 1. His top 15 Phantom draft ATM.

Lions- Cameron Rayner.
Suns- Luke Davies-Uniacke.
Blues- Paddy Dow.
Kangaroos- Adam Cerra.
Dockers- Aaron Naughton.
Magpies- Jarrod Brander.
Saints- Andrew Brayshaw.
Saints- Jaidyn Stephenson.
Bulldogs- Nick Coffield.
Crows- Darcy Fogarty.
Giants- Jack Higgins.
Lions- Hunter Clark.
Eagles- Oscar Allen.
Swans- Charlie Constable.
Tigers- Sam Hayes.

The potential bolter- Aiden Bonar.

Did he say that on Trade Radio jason pm ? Also when he said the Lions would take Rayner was that inside mail on his behalf or was it more of a personal mock draft?

If it is inside mail and accurate I'd suggest that means two things- 1. Rayner interviewed really well with Conole/Noble/Fagan and put any fears regarding homesickness to bed and 2. Conole/Fagan/the extended recruiting team see him developing into a midfielder.

It kind of makes sense, Rayner has been the standout prospect this year and with pick 1 you generally need to back the club in and go for that top prospect. If we do end up with Rayner I think we should expect him to spend the majority of his first 2 seasons in the forward line. Hipwood and Rayner could be a very exciting duo to watch.

 

[pulpdriver]

Did he say that on Trade Radio jason pm ? Also when he said the Lions would take Rayner was that inside mail on his behalf or was it more of a personal mock draft?

If it is inside mail and accurate I'd suggest that means two things- 1. Rayner interviewed really well with Conole/Noble/Fagan and put any fears regarding homesickness to bed and 2. Conole/Fagan/the extended recruiting team see him developing into a midfielder.

It kind of makes sense, Rayner has been the standout prospect this year and with pick 1 you generally need to back the club in and go for that top prospect. If we do end up with Rayner I think we should expect him to spend the majority of his first 2 seasons in the forward line. Hipwood and Rayner could be a very exciting duo to watch.

It wasn't that deep. It was that he saw Rayner as the best talent and the Lions couldn't ignore him. Ironically he later said that teams could forego talent in search of needs and them saying they weren't was just spin.

 

[lionshine]

It wasn't that deep. It was that he saw Rayner as the best talent and the Lions couldn't ignore him. Ironically he later said that teams could forego talent in search of needs and them saying they weren't was just spin.

Added risk in doing that with top 5 draft picks I think but yep clubs definitely do it even with pick 1(Saints selecting McCartin over Petracca).

 

[luthor]

Did he say that on Trade Radio jason pm ? Also when he said the Lions would take Rayner was that inside mail on his behalf or was it more of a personal mock draft?

If it is inside mail and accurate I'd suggest that means two things- 1. Rayner interviewed really well with Conole/Noble/Fagan and put any fears regarding homesickness to bed and 2. Conole/Fagan/the extended recruiting team see him developing into a midfielder.

It kind of makes sense, Rayner has been the standout prospect this year and with pick 1 you generally need to back the club in and go for that top prospect. If we do end up with Rayner I think we should expect him to spend the majority of his first 2 seasons in the forward line. Hipwood and Rayner could be a very exciting duo to watch.

I listened to that segment on Trade Radio.

To me it sounded like Twomey was just expressing a personal opinion as to who he thought was the best player and should therefore go at Pick 1

Said Rayner had a unique skill set that won games and he had a record of producing when most needed. Acknowledged queries about Rayner's endurance/aerobic capabilities but said these deficiencies could and would be fixed in an AFL environment, whereas the skills he possessed couldn't be taught.

.

 

[briztoon]

Did he say that on Trade Radio jason pm ? Also when he said the Lions would take Rayner was that inside mail on his behalf or was it more of a personal mock draft?

If it is inside mail and accurate I'd suggest that means two things- 1. Rayner interviewed really well with Conole/Noble/Fagan and put any fears regarding homesickness to bed and 2. Conole/Fagan/the extended recruiting team see him developing into a midfielder.

It kind of makes sense, Rayner has been the standout prospect this year and with pick 1 you generally need to back the club in and go for that top prospect. If we do end up with Rayner I think we should expect him to spend the majority of his first 2 seasons in the forward line. Hipwood and Rayner could be a very exciting duo to watch.

As pulpdriver driver said, it was Twomey doing a mock draft taking team needs in to account. The first four selections were best talent available and Twomey has said since early in the season (at least since the U18 champs) that Rayner is the number 1 player in this years draft pool.

Dockers taking Naughton at 5 is definitely a reach, and the discussion about teams drafting for needs and not best talent followed Twomey selecting Brander for Collingwood. Also while no great emphasis placed on it, where possible Twomey has non Victorian teams selecting home grown talent, the two W.A teams selecting W.A. kids, and Adelaide selecting the top S.A. kid. To add to that, can see Adelaide selecting one of the other top S.A. kids with their pick 17, possibly inside midfielder Zac Bailey.