Heart problems are common and no doubt we have footy players running around with undiagnosed conditions. I don't know the full extent but I guess it's not that bad? He didn't know he even had a problem to begin with.
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2017 Draft thread
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I'd be happier with Rayner, if we could get Worpel at 44, plus 2 mids/ players with speed at 15/18.
Not a spot to rookie Hartung if we rookie Claye Beams, as we have committed to. (only 4 cat A spots, 3 already filled.)
If we don't take Payne at 52, he might not last to the rookie draft. If we have no list spots left, we can't match. I'm not sure we'd take that risk, I think Payne will come to us with a matched bid, or our last selection.
It's possible we could take Hartung at 44 or 52, if we want him. We could pass on our last selection to open a PSD/rookie spot, but I can't see the advantage in that.
Ainsworth easily. Potential to dominate up forward but will also play midfield next season. Less of a potential bust than Rayner.
Ainsworth by a mile. Pity we don't have that choice.
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But that is the question, do you think Rayner can reach his potential?
Last year and in his junior year, Ainsworth was basically Jack Higgins with speed, endurance and a good vertical jump. Dedicated to get the best out of himself. I have concerns that Ainsworth will reach his potential.
Seeing as I was in the Ainsworth camp last year, pretty sure who I would draft.
Just about the best scenario IMO
Billy Puller
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Ainsworths Granmda has to pay for her own tickets to see her Grandson play.
Not the type of character we want at the club. Like come on your own grandma ya bloody tight arse
Not the type of character we want at the club. Like come on your own grandma ya bloody tight arse
Not a chance I draft Hartung in the National draft. That's giving him a guaranteed 2 year contract, when next year teams are going to want as many list spots and options as possible going in to the draft.
Some teams have 7 or 8 picks in this years draft going deep in to the back end. I expect some of those teams to pass on their last or last two picks, to give themselves extra spots, so they only have to commit to a 1 year contract to recycled players or true rookies. That gives them maximum flexibility next year.
PattyKwasagun
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Our medical team have serious concerns about how he would fare with his condition up here in the heat. They have completely ruled him out.
Wow just had a look at the phantom draft, Jaidyn Stephenson looks an absolute bargain and he's a Lions supporter. Hopefully we pick him up at pick 15, if he's available and I'm confident that Lachie Fogarty will slide to our pick 18 if Higgins slides to Bulldogs pick 16.
Who ever picks him up will get the bargain of the draft. The Stephenson camp with their medical experts reviews have said his playing ability will not be affected by this development and it will have no impact on an AFL career. Lions have had some eyebrow raising medical assessments in recent times as well so it would be a huge call on their part.
PattyKwasagun
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Stephenson wants to get drafted, naturally he'll say that.
Keep in mind that it's not just us who have ruled him out. All clubs have seen how talented he is, so for him to fall past so many (if he does) will be proof enough of how big a concern his heart is.
They also ruled out Joel Selwood for Luenberger. Due to the lack of quality midfield depth at pick 15, I would rather us take a punt on Stephenson.
PattyKwasagun
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Yes, in hindsight you would say we got that one wrong. Few points though:
1) There is a big difference between concerns over a knee injury and ongoing heart problems.
2) I could also point out numerous examples where risks were taken on players with suspect injuries that haven't worked out well. It's always a risk - and when it's related to a player's heart, even more so.
3) I think it would be reasonable to guess that the medical team that ruled out Selwood is quite different more than ten years later, so it would be unfair to group the two decisions together.
4) This isn't just a concern from our medical team. All year Stephenson has been rated generally a top 5 prospect. So if it gets to the stage where Stephenson is on the table at #15, that would mean that North, Fremantle, Collingwood, St Kilda, the Bulldogs, Carlton, GWS, Adelaide, West Coast, and Sydney had all ruled him out too. That alone should be indicative of just how big a risk this may be.
5) I completely disagree with your assertion that there is a lack of quality midfield depth around pick 15. I imagine most recruiters would also.
6) Taking Rayner on the hope he may be able to turn into a full time midfielder is what could be considered a 'punt'. Nobody is entirely sure if it will be successful, but even if it isn't we'll likely have a very decent forward option who just struggles a bit running out games.
Taking a player that our medical staff have advised us completely against taking, however, is not a punt. That is just stupidity. That is blindly ignoring professional opinion.
I understand a number of fans have developed somewhat strong emotional attachments to Stephenson (I get it - I probably have also with Rayner). That's part of the draft cycle. But the notion that supporters on here would be more qualified to make this call than numerous teams of medical experts is one of the more quintessentially BigFooty things I've seen.
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So you place more significance in the medical field from Stephenson's camp, more than the numerous clubs who also have medical teams? It's a shame that one of the top draftees who supports the Lions has such a condition but it's just how it is. Lions won't be picking him, even if he lasted till pick 80.
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Whoever we select at one is a massive flight risk. Sorry to be a sook but its the truth. Lets hope this time we can beat the odds.
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a) Not key position players in general - key position forwards. Defenders can be found just about anywhere in the draft - look at where Andrews went, or Clarke, or Patfull, or most of our recent very good defensive talls, and that's before dipping into other teams' stocks.
b) At this time last year, Ballanden was up there in the top 4 as well. Spargo was considered the #1 prospect over Brander according to the many "thinkpieces" about them both getting stripped from the GWS academy, and Worpel was up there as well. 17 year old form doesn't map to drafting 18 year olds unless there is mitigating circumstances.
c) You're looking at the stats on this the wrong way around - "the best KPFs are found at the high end of the draft, therefore picking a player at the high end means he'll be one of the best". If Brander is sliding down past our pick and we force the pick earlier than we rate him, it's arguable that he should have been picked at the high end of the draft. If Brander is worth picking at the really high end part of the draft, why is everyone else passing on him as well?
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OMG!! It's finally CHRISTMAS eve! We can finally know what Santa is going to bring us tomorrow.
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If it was Christmas, we would wake in the morning with pressies to unwrap.
We have to wait all God damn day.
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You're right, you're being a sook.
How about instead of stressing over something like that we focus on backing our club in to retain talent, especially with the strongest off field team we've had in...ever?
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We were pretty strong during our premiership years one would have thought and yet we still lost first round talent. Stats dont lie.
One of the most interesting draft in years. Whoever can predict the top 20 will be a god amongst men.
