2017 Draft thread

[a mayes ing]

It comes to pick 18 and we can take an A grade key back or a B grade midfielder. You'd select the midfielder?

How do you know the tall is A grade? It basically comes down to a tall vs a mid. We need midfielders and we don't need talls. We were way too tall last year, we got rid of 4 but we will gain 2 back.

 

[Hollow Knight]

It comes to pick 18 and we can take an A grade key back or a B grade midfielder. You'd select the midfielder?

Can’t see an A grade tall being available pick 18 in this draft.

 

[ULittleBeauty]

Can’t see an A grade tall being available pick 18 in this draft.

Who do you have taking Brander?


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[Hollow Knight]

Who do you have taking Brander?


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No idea. I was implicitly suggesting that he’s probably not seen as an A grader.

 

[jackess]

How do you know the tall is A grade? It basically comes down to a tall vs a mid. We need midfielders and we don't need talls. We were way too tall last year, we got rid of 4 but we will gain 2 back.

We also had our talls fit for most of the year.

Ok, what about a B grade tall vs a C grade mid?

 

[a mayes ing]

We also had our talls fit for most of the year.

Ok, what about a B grade tall vs a C grade mid?

I told ya, I wouldn't want talls. We needs midfielders. Adding Payne, Ballenden is enough. We don't need too many developing talls in the 2's because they won't be able to play in the position that they want.

 

[WhiteLionFeva]

We also had our talls fit for most of the year.

Ok, what about a B grade tall vs a C grade mid?

Bigfooty experts talk about grading players as A, B, C etc. I'm pretty sure clubs just rank them in terms of a range of factors including fit and need and if they're available at a pick they take them. I'll speculate that a lot of the delay in making selections on draft night is because players they thought wouldn't be available at a certain pick are and vice versa and they have to do a quick rethink.

 

[jackess]

Bigfooty experts talk about grading players as A, B, C etc. I'm pretty sure clubs just rank them in terms of a range of factors including fit and need and if they're available at a pick they take them. I'll speculate that a lot of the delay in making selections on draft night is because players they thought wouldn't be available at a certain pick are and vice versa and they have to do a quick rethink.

I'm sure they rank their potential. Maybe not using letters. I'll re-phrase it. What if there was a KPP with clearly more potential than the best midfielder available.

You also didn't mention finding a balance in the types of players drafted ie. inside/outside, flankers, KPPs, speed, etc.

 

[22Lions22]

Well said.

It always amuses me how the pre/post draft melters seem to assume that our recruiters haven’t factored in all the available evidence before making a considered decision.

Nothing wrong with disagreeing but can people at least afford the recruiters the assumption of being professional and methodical in their approach. Anything otherwise is just waving a massive “I’m a crank” flag.

Only fools give blind loyalty!

If the recruitment team over the last few years are so good then how did we end up with such a slow list.

If one differs on that point one should review how good ones eye for such things are.

There are at least ten players on the list now who should not play in the same AFL side because the end result is the 22 can't compete on speed and agility profile alone.

Lions list must be improved significantly on speed and agility.

 

[Quigley]

I told ya, I wouldn't want talls. We needs midfielders. Adding Payne, Ballenden is enough. We don't need too many developing talls in the 2's because they won't be able to play in the position that they want.

I have no problem adding a high quality running tall like Brander has the potential to be.

Payne and Ballenden have nice potential but they are far from certain AFL players. Skinner looks like a very good prospect but has 2 knee injuries now. McStay is a talent but his performance so far has not lived up to his potential and I would prefer not to be relying on him if I had a choice. Gardiner cannot match up on talls and is abused every time he tries. He is another I would like pushed out of the side by a superior talent. Eagles looked to be developing well but he is almost 28. Frost is a bust.

At the other end we have Hipwood who looks like he will become a star but really no other players I feel are certainties on a finals team. Walker who is a nice placeholder but not much more. Ballenden comes in and then there are a couple of rucks who we hope can go forward.

Personally if we take 2 mids with out first two picks and Brander or Allen is there I hope we go with one of them. Our depth at KP is non-existent and we have quite an array of young mids which we need to give some time to to see how they go.

 

[Hollow Knight]

Only fools give blind loyalty!

Maybe read the post before clicking reply next time.

There is nothing in my post advocating blind loyalty.

 

[SizeMatters]

I have no problem adding a high quality running tall like Brander has the potential to be.

Payne and Ballenden have nice potential but they are far from certain AFL players. Skinner looks like a very good prospect but has 2 knee injuries now. McStay is a talented but his performance so far has not lived up to his potential and I would prefer not to be relying on him if I had a choice. Gardiner cannot match up on talls and is abused every time he tries. He is another I would like pushed out of the side by a superior talent. Eagles looked to be developing well but he is almost 28. Frost is a bust.

At the other end we have Hipwood who looks like he will become a star but really no other players I feel are certainties on a finals team. Walker who is a nice placeholder but not much more. Ballenden comes in and then there are a couple of rucks who we hope can go forward.

Personally if we take 2 mids with out first two picks and Brander or Allen is there I hope we go with one of them. Our depth at KP is non-existent and we have quite an array of young mids which we need to give some time to to see how they go.

Mirrors my thoughts exactly. However, I feel we have more urgent needs like adding midfield depth + speed to this team. If we weren't in the box set to acquire Ballenden and Payne then I would certainly be an advocate for someone like Brander at 15/18.

 

[a mayes ing]

I have no problem adding a high quality running tall like Brander has the potential to be.

Payne and Ballenden have nice potential but they are far from certain AFL players. Skinner looks like a very good prospect but has 2 knee injuries now. McStay is a talented but his performance so far has not lived up to his potential and I would prefer not to be relying on him if I had a choice. Gardiner cannot match up on talls and is abused every time he tries. He is another I would like pushed out of the side by a superior talent. Eagles looked to be developing well but he is almost 28. Frost is a bust.

At the other end we have Hipwood who looks like he will become a star but really no other players I feel are certainties on a finals team. Walker who is a nice placeholder but not much more. Ballenden comes in and then there are a couple of rucks who we hope can go forward.

Personally if we take 2 mids with out first two picks and Brander or Allen is there I hope we go with one of them. Our depth at KP is non-existent and we have quite an array of young mids which we need to give some time to to see how they go.

The issue l see is that our KPP are: McStay, Andrews, Gardiner (could probably say he is more a 3rd tall), Eagles, Skinner, Frost, Hippy, Walker, Smith, Mcinerny, Payne, Ballenden, Martin.
13 talls, where do we play them all.

Walker and Hippy up forward seniors, Andrews, McStay and Gardiner down back in seniors. Martin in ruck
Ballenden, McInerny up forward. Smith in ruck. Eagles, Frost, Payyne down back

That still leaves us Skinner who will come back mid year and if as you say Brander or some other tall, we wouldn't have anywhere to put them or they would be playing out of position.

 

[22Lions22]

Maybe read the post before clicking reply next time.

There is nothing in my post advocating blind loyalty.

"that our recruiters haven’t factored in all the available evidence before making a considered decision."

To me this is blind loyalty.

We have a very slow list because recruiters haven't put enough importance on speed and agility.

In my opinion only an inside ball winning freak (Blacky) gets a free pass on speed and agility and two or three per 22 is all thats required.

 

[Quigley]

The issue l see is that our KPP are: McStay, Andrews, Gardiner (could probably say he is more a 3rd tall), Eagles, Skinner, Frost, Hippy, Walker, Smith, Mcinerny, Payne, Ballenden, Martin.
13 talls, where do we play them all.

Walker and Hippy up forward seniors, Andrews, McStay and Gardiner down back in seniors. Martin in ruck
Ballenden, McInerny up forward. Smith in ruck. Eagles, Frost, Payyne down back

That still leaves us Skinner who will come back mid year and if as you say Brander or some other tall, we wouldn't have anywhere to put them or they would be playing out of position.

I am not sure we have ever had a season where we had KPs not missing throughout the year. We currently have an overabundance of HBFer / Wingers but we move them around and make something happen. Brander and Allen are mobile enough to throw into any role at NEAFL level if we had to.

 

[Hollow Knight]

"that our recruiters haven’t factored in all the available evidence before making a considered decision."

To me this is blind loyalty.

Only if you strip it out of the context of the full post and the posts it was replying to.

It was specifically addressing the over emotional posters accusing the recruiters of “clangers ” in advance and act like they can’t literally fathom the considerations recruiters are weighing up when they make their decisions, as though they are just throwing darts with no process or methodology behind it.

All perfectly clear if you read the post properly. Did you just repeatedly miss the “nothing wrong with disagreeing...” bit?

 

[BRAB]

"that our recruiters haven’t factored in all the available evidence before making a considered decision."

To me this is blind loyalty.

Well then you're not really thinking.

Saying they've made a considered decision isn't saying they are infallible

 

[22Lions22]

The issue l see is that our KPP are: McStay, Andrews, Gardiner (could probably say he is more a 3rd tall), Eagles, Skinner, Frost, Hippy, Walker, Smith, Mcinerny, Payne, Ballenden, Martin.
13 talls, where do we play them all.

Walker and Hippy up forward seniors, Andrews, McStay and Gardiner down back in seniors. Martin in ruck
Ballenden, McInerny up forward. Smith in ruck. Eagles, Frost, Payyne down back

That still leaves us Skinner who will come back mid year and if as you say Brander or some other tall, we wouldn't have anywhere to put them or they would be playing out of position.

For mine Smith/Martin play resting ruck third tall, traditional full forward play, which allow them to use their strength which is their agility and speed.

 

[22Lions22]

Only if you strip it out of the context of the full post and the posts it was replying to.

It was specifically addressing the over emotional posters who act like they can’t literally fathom the considerations recruiters are weighing up when they make their decisions, as thigh they are just throwing darts with no process or methodology behind it.

All perfectly clear if you read the post properly. Did you just repeatedly miss the “nothing wrong with disagreeing...” bit?

Ok, however it is an internet forum so debate informed and uninformed are a given.

 

[Quigley]

FWIW I do not expect Allen or Brander to be available at 18 and am happy to go with another mid. Its just if they are I am more than happy to take one. Personally I am still hoping that we have worked something out to get Tim Kelly out of WA.

 

[SizeMatters]

FWIW I do not expect Allen or Brander to be available at 18 and am happy to go with another mid. Its just if they are I am more than happy to take one. Personally I am still hoping that we have worked something out to get Tim Kelly out of WA.

Word is he has knocked his missus up and doesn't want to leave WA and her family.

 

[22Lions22]

Well then you're not really thinking.

Saying they've made a considered decision isn't saying they are infallible

They have got it wrong alot lately!

Whether on GHF or speed and agility.

Recruiter by no means safe for mine, must do better.

A considered decision doesn't guarantee a good decision.

One must get the criteria correct and in the correct order for best chance of a good well considered decision.

 

[jackess]

The issue l see is that our KPP are: McStay, Andrews, Gardiner (could probably say he is more a 3rd tall), Eagles, Skinner, Frost, Hippy, Walker, Smith, Mcinerny, Payne, Ballenden, Martin.
13 talls, where do we play them all.

Walker and Hippy up forward seniors, Andrews, McStay and Gardiner down back in seniors. Martin in ruck
Ballenden, McInerny up forward. Smith in ruck. Eagles, Frost, Payyne down back

That still leaves us Skinner who will come back mid year and if as you say Brander or some other tall, we wouldn't have anywhere to put them or they would be playing out of position.

Should that stop us drafting someone who could be our second best key for or key back?

 

[Hollow Knight]

Ok, however it is an internet forum so debate informed and uninformed are a given.

What a strange tangent.

 

[WA Lion]

Word is he has knocked his missus up and doesn't want to leave WA and her family.

She is heavily pregnant with twins, moving wouldn't be ideal!