2017 Draft thread

[luthor]

Moved on.

Obviously not

Don't see the need for your nose to be stuck in.

It's an open internet forum mate. Contributors are free to enter discussions if they want.

Why the belligerance, discourteousy and angst?

However to be clear (as it was already) this recruiting team don't deserve loyalty let alone blind loyalty.

Agreed.

So who said they did?

This recruiting team performance needs a review and a commitment to constant improvement.

First step seeing things how they are, finished 18th 15-100+ scores against and list that is the slowest in the league.

Improvement required!

What did you think of our Recruiters efforts in the 2016 Draft?

 

[22Lions22]

Obviously not



It's an open internet forum mate. Contributors are free to enter discussions if they want.

Why the belligerance, discourteousy and angst?



Agreed.

So who said they did?




What did you think of our Recruiters efforts in the 2016 Draft?

So who said they did?

Read first post in chain.

What did you think of our Recruiters efforts in the 2016 Draft?[/QUOTE]

Not good enough. Doesn't mean they won't make it into a finals team somewhere.

They don't have the speed and agility to break a tag and dominate a final.

If your not looking for that with your first couple of picks your on wrong track imo.

Speed and agility must move up the criteria list if we are to win finals.

Put together a list capable of winning finals, making finals takes care of itself.

Why angst?

We finished 18th with embarrassingly 15-100+ scores against!

 

[SizeMatters]

Speed and agility needs more consideration.

Last year recruits not the quickest or most agile available.(first two picks)(doesn't mean they won't make it others better)

We cannot continue like this?

if you believe the reports from Twomey Rayner, Fogarty and Bailey are our selections. Obviously not set in stone but those names are evidence that we are looking to add 'speed and agility' to our team. Let's wait until after the draft to critique our recruiters for this year, who are managed by new recruit Dom Ambrogio.

 

[luthor]

They don't have the speed and agility to break a tag and dominate a final.

If your not looking for that with your first couple of picks your on wrong track imo.

Speed and agility must move up the criteria list if we are to win finals.

Put together a list capable of winning finals, making finals takes care of itself.

Who would you take with Picks 1, 15 and 18 in this Draft?

 

[Nunez]

Who would you take with Picks 1, 15 and 18 in this Draft?

Hartung at pick 1 coz speed.

 

[22Lions22]

if you believe the reports from Twomey Rayner, Fogarty and Bailey are our selections. Obviously not set in stone but those names are evidence that we are looking to add 'speed and agility' to our team. Let's wait until after the draft to critique our recruiters for this year, who are managed by new recruit Dom Ambrogio.

If Twomey is correct, he isn't our recruiter.

 

[a mayes ing]

So who said they did?

Read first post in chain.

What did you think of our Recruiters efforts in the 2016 Draft?

Not good enough. Doesn't mean they won't make it into a finals team somewhere.

They don't have the speed and agility to break a tag and dominate a final.

If your not looking for that with your first couple of picks your on wrong track imo.

Speed and agility must move up the criteria list if we are to win finals.

Put together a list capable of winning finals, making finals takes care of itself.

Why angst?

We finished 18th with embarrassingly 15-100+ scores against![/QUOTE]
Lol,

Who would you have taken with our picks last year then?

 

[POBT]

The only way you'd completely rule out a player due to injury/medical condition is if you believe they will never play football at a professional level.

Every draft selection is a comparative exercise. You are comparing your proposed choice with every other player in the draft pool. At some point, the risk/reward equation will favour taking a certain player over the other available options. Every club will assess the risks and rewards differently though because it will depend on so many factors and not just the medical assessment. Rating of the player, list needs, other players' ratings etc.

Having said that, if Stephenson slips past pick 18 and then is picked up in the next few draft selections, it will be really interesting to watch. But it won't necessarily mean that our decision was wrong - just that we assessed risk and reward differently to the club that calls out his name tomorrow night.

 

[Flossie32]

Once upon a time we were pretty keen on WA draftees, seems not so much now. Anyone know who our WA scouts are?

I thought Shane Rogers was a WA scout of ours, not sure if still doing this though

 

[WhiteLionFeva]

I thought Shane Rogers was a WA scout of ours, not sure if still doing this though

Yep, according to his LinkedIn page.

 

[22Lions22]

Who would you take with Picks 1, 15 and 18 in this Draft?

1st pick,

Best ball winning inside mid available, always every year.
Speed and agility secondary consideration at 1st pick only.

Later Picks quickest and most agile available every year no exceptions.
We have coaches to coach skill if they can't coach skill they must go.

Don't have the time to put into recruiting research as our paid professionals, so I would only be guessing.

 

[SizeMatters]

If Twomey is correct, he isn't our recruiter.

So let's reserve judgement of our Dom Ambrogio managed recruitment team until after the draft, then we can all bemoan after the fact that we should have selected our favourite players instead of the one the club recognises as the ideal list fit.

 

[POBT]

1st pick,

Best ball winning inside mid available, always every year.
Speed and agility secondary consideration at 1st pick only.

Later Picks quickest and most agile available every year no exceptions.

Any club that followed this would quickly find itself with the worst list in the comp.

 

[Kevvo]

1st pick,

Best ball winning inside mid available, always every year.
Speed and agility secondary consideration at 1st pick only.

Later Picks quickest and most agile available every year no exceptions.
We have coaches to coach skill if they can't coach skill they must go.

Don't have the time to put into recruiting research as our paid professionals, so I would only be guessing.

So we never draft talls?

 

[briztoon]

Speed and agility needs more consideration.

Last year recruits not the quickest or most agile available.(first two picks)(doesn't mean they won't make it others better)

We cannot continue like this?

I'm sorry for using such language, but bullish!t.

Last years recruits definitely had a focus on speed and agility.

2016 Draft.
McCluggage - Great agility (everyone said he makes time stand still when he has the ball, because he can just make those little side steps, hip weaves, etc when amongst heavy congestion) has good speed, but not elite.

Berry - Very good agility for a BIG mid, and has much better speed than the likes of Cripps.

Witherden - Just like McCluggae, maybe a little bit more burst.

Cox - Elite speed and evasiveness, running with to without the ball.

Allison - fastest player tested at last years combine.

Did you even watch our kids play last season.


2015 Draft.
Hipwood was the fastest big man at the combine.

Sure, Keays and Mathieson aren't noted speedsters, but that was never their game.

Skinner is very fast and agile for a big defender. He's just been cruelled by injuries.


2017 trade period.

We recruited Charlie Cameron. How the F*ck is that not our list management team not addressing our speed.


Add in Lewey Taylor, Zorko and Bundy, and we've go some serious speed in the midfield and forward line.


2017 Draft.
I'm not a fan of Rayner, but kid has serious burst speed and 50 meter dash.

Dow and LDU are sub 3 second 20 meters runners, both tested in the Low 2.9sec at the preseason tac cup testing day.

 

[22Lions22]

So we never draft talls?

Not with first pick.

If your need requires a tall, quickest and most agile at latter picks (that wasn't clear in my post) never first pick as its to risky and doesn't take into account how important winning the ball is?

 

[luthor]

1st pick,

Best ball winning inside mid available, always every year.
Speed and agility secondary consideration at 1st pick only.

Later Picks quickest and most agile available every year no exceptions.
We have coaches to coach skill if they can't coach skill they must go.

Don't have the time to put into recruiting research as our paid professionals, so I would only be guessing.

So guess!

Or make some time to educate yourself. Otherwise you come accross as thumping your fist on the table until you browbeat others to your point of view

You're allowed to have opinions around here but it usually pays to not be OVER-opinionated, especially if you haven't put any time into at least some basic reasearch

As I said, it's an open internet forum. No-one is going to laugh and point if you get it wrong.

 

[briztoon]

 

[POBT]

History shows that almost all the best tall forwards are selected in the top 20 or so picks in the draft. If you believe sides need a quality tall forward (not necessarily a universally held view) then you generally need to use your first selection to find one.

 

[SizeMatters]

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i reckon they want bailey knowing our luck.

 

[Kevvo]

i reckon they want bailey knowing our luck.

Ugh. Sounds about right, especially since they of all sides don’t seem to focus on precise kicking.

 

[22Lions22]

I'm sorry for using such language, but bullish!t.

Last years recruits definitely had a focus on speed and agility.

2016 Draft.
McCluggage - Great agility (everyone said he makes time stand still when he has the ball, because he can just make those little side steps, hip weaves, etc when amongst heavy congestion) has good speed, but not elite.

Berry - Very good agility for a BIG mid, and has much better speed than the likes of Cripps.

Witherden - Just like McCluggae, maybe a little bit more burst.

Cox - Elite speed and evasiveness, running with to without the ball.

Allison - fastest player tested at last years combine.

Did you even watch our kids play last season.


2015 Draft.
Hipwood was the fastest big man at the combine.

Sure, Keays and Mathieson aren't noted speedsters, but that was never their game.

Skinner is very fast and agile for a big defender. He's just been cruelled by injuries.


2017 trade period.

We recruited Charlie Cameron. How the F*ck is that not our list management team not addressing our speed.


Add in Lewey Taylor, Zorko and Bundy, and we've go some serious speed in the midfield and forward line.


2017 Draft.
I'm not a fan of Rayner, but kid has serious burst speed and 50 meter dash.

Dow and LDU are sub 3 second 20 meters runners, both tested in the Low 2.9sec at the preseason tac cup testing day.

Yes a little emotional but I disagree on Berry and McCluggage cannot be quickest available or last years draft was a slow draft.

Neither has exhibited the speed and agility to break a tag and dominate a final or be a ball winning freak.

That doesn't mean they won't fit into a finals team somewhere, fill players not players driving the effort or inspiring teammates to be better.

 

[Nunez]

Oh boy. Painful reading is painful.

 

[22Lions22]

Any club that followed this would quickly find itself with the worst list in the comp.

Nonsense.

Follow that and its all on the quality of the coaches employed.

 

[luthor]

i reckon they want bailey knowing our luck.

Two entirely different players I know but if Richmond happen to pinch Bailey from under our noses, I'd seriously consider taking Constable at 18.

Yeah, I know he's slid in the phantoms AND he's supposed to be slow as treacle but he's big and strong, has a good pair of hands and looks like a footballer with smarts to me.

Could do a lot worse methinks