2017 Draft thread

[Kevvo]

Yet originally you were bemoaning the lack of speed in our top 2 picks from last year. Which is it? Fwiw berry was 4th in repeat sprints last year and 7th in the agility test while mccluggage didn't test therefore you actually have no data on him. So what is the basis for this statement that we didn't go with speed and agility with our first picks?

OPEN YOUR EYES!

 

[22Lions22]

You really haven't and this is an internet forum where people are free to reply to posts in a timeframe of their leisure

Honestly the basis of a couple of your points arent unfounded as Quigley has alluded to, however the way you try to make it and the blind isistance on absolutes with no room for nuance or other considerations is reminiscent of reading the lions Facebook page comments, which in my experience has been a cesspool of idiocy and people yelling for attention.

Your entitled to your opinion no matter how useless it is!

You've managed to come to an internet forum and get offended by a post that wasn't directed at you.

Might be best to get back under the bed, cloudy might get some thunder!

 

[briztoon]

Some have strange reactions to having their eyes openned.

No one is arguing that your point in regards for the need for speed, is not a legitimate point.

We're arguing that hardly an issue with our list any more, and that you're belabouring a non existent point.

Speed is useless if the person can't actually play the game to a sufficient level. It's why Hartung got delisted. It's why Bewick struggles to get on the field, doesn't seem to be able to put the whole package together.

 

[Cockliff38]

The Fox Footy phantom (Riley Beveridge) is out here.
They've got us with Rayner, L. Fogarty, Bailey, Ballenden (bid matched #39) & Jackson Ross.

A few things I found interesting.

• They have Worpel available at the Jackson Ross pick (48 after academy bidding). I'd be disappointed if we didn't go with him there.
• Usually at this stage of the process there's a fair bit of group think in the phantom drafts. While there are some similarities, D. Fogarty, Brayshaw and Ed Richards are consistent variables, and they have the ability to change the whole order... it really feels like anything could happen tomorrow night.

 

[22Lions22]

Yet originally you were bemoaning the lack of speed in our top 2 picks from last year. Which is it? Fwiw berry was 4th in repeat sprints last year and 7th in the agility test while mccluggage didn't test therefore you actually have no data on him. So what is the basis for this statement that we didn't go with speed and agility with our first picks?

Hasn't shown it on the field, Berry.

McCluggage looks even slower.

But a part of me hope your correct.

But neither showed they had the pace to break a tag and dominate a final,imo!

 

[Fatcat08]

Your entitled to your opinion no matter how useless it is!

You've managed to come to an internet forum and get offended by a post that wasn't directed at you.

Might be best to get back under the bed, cloudy might get some thunder!

No offended I just find idiotic ranting annoying tbh as it appears do most people on here

This is one of the more bizzare interactions I've had on here.

 

[Fatcat08]

Hasn't shown it on the field, Berry.

McCluggage looks even slower.

But a part of me hope your correct.

But neither showed they had the pace to break a tag and dominate a final,imo!

Name me a player who did after their first year of football.

 

[spotthedog1]

If we manage to pull off the Cam Rayner/Lachie Fogarty double, hopefully Fogarty isn’t just talked about as Rayner’s security blanket. Very handy footballer.

As an attempt to change the subject, it's an interesting point this. It's been discussed plenty that we'd take Fogarty to aid retention... That said, we're now hearing that Sydney have their eye on him at 14, and he's even an option around 11, so at least it can't be suggested we would have reached for him..

I think Berry has been excellent for removing this sort of argument though. There was a lot of discussion last year around Berry as a strategic recruitment, but after his awesome first year, I'm sure no one thinks Berry got snapped up by us just because of his friendship with Clug.

Of course, if we take Fogarty and he turns out to be a bust, I'm sure someone would turn around and suggest we 'only took him coz...'.

 

[22Lions22]

No one is arguing that your point in regards for the need for speed, is not a legitimate point.

We're arguing that hardly an issue with our list any more, and that you're belabouring a non existent point.

Speed is useless if the person can't actually play the game to a sufficient level. It's why Hartung got delisted. It's why Bewick struggles to get on the field, doesn't seem to be able to put the whole package together.

I've been writing about 2017 list and before, 2018 we'll see how it pans out.

 

[Billy Puller]

Where have you been my whole life 22lions.

What a fantastic day for the lions bigfooty forum and therefore the world

 

[22Lions22]

Name me a player who did after their first year of football.

Ackermanis, Judd, Dangerfield, ect ect ect....

 

[22Lions22]

Where have you been my whole life 22lions.

What a fantastic day for the lions bigfooty forum and therefore the world

Finally someone with an eye for such things.

 

[Fatcat08]

I

Ackermanis, Judd, Dangerfield, ect ect ect....

I'll give you Judd, but no neither of the other two did in their first year. Who's the etc? You've got 1 so far

 

[22Lions22]

No offended I just find idiotic ranting annoying tbh as it appears do most people on here

This is one of the more bizzare interactions I've had on here.

Climb into bed and pull the covers over your head, you'll be safe there!

 

[briztoon]

Hasn't shown it on the field, Berry.

Because he's an onballer, he's not attacking the contest at pace, that's not what he's being asked to do.

McCluggage looks even slower.

Because he was asked to play more inside compared to what he played as a junior. Go look for his TAC cup videos' and compare the role he was asked to play last year.

But a part of me hope your correct.

But neither showed they had the pace to break a tag and dominate a final,imo!

Now I am sure you actually understand less about the game, the history of our draftees, and player development than me.

They are kids. Both who had non existent preseasons going in to their final year of TAC cup due to injures. Both who came in to the AFL system underdone and undersized, with out the core strength or size to break tackles. How many first year, underdone kids dominate an AFL final? When we drafted McCluggage last year, all the talk was that it would take him a couple of years to adjust and find his game at AFL level.

Again you're expecting more from kids than any person who follows the game, and gets involved in these discussions, should.

Seriously, do you even read and understand the reasoned replies to you?

And now you are getting nasty and flippant with some of your replies.

 

[Hollow Knight]

Ackermanis, Judd, Dangerfield, ect ect ect....

Aker’s first few years were pretty dang unimpressive back flanker footy. Revisionist history. Didn’t really find himself until Matthews arrived.

 

[22Lions22]

I


I'll give you Judd, but no neither of the other two did in their first year. Who's the etc? You've got 1 so far

Disagree with neither of other two, it was obvious to my eye maybe you don't have a good eye for such things?

Smith, Cyril (Hawthorn), etc etc...

 

[Fatcat08]

Climb into bed and pull the covers over your head, you'll be safe there!

I literally have no idea what point you're trying to make here

 

[22Lions22]

Because he's an onballer, he's not attacking the contest at pace, that's not what he's being asked to do.

Because he was asked to play more inside compared to what he played as a junior. Go look for his TAC cup videos' and compare the role he was asked to play last year.

Now I am sure you actually understand less about the game, the history of our draftees, and player development than me.

They are kids. Both who had non existent preseasons going in to their final year of TAC cup due to injures. Both who came in to the AFL system underdone and undersized, with out the core strength or size to break tackles. How many first year, underdone kids dominate an AFL final? When we drafted McCluggage last year, all the talk was that it would take him a couple of years to adjust and find his game at AFL level.

Again you're expecting more from kids than any person who follows the game, and gets involved in these discussions, should.

Seriously, do you even read and understand the reasoned replies to you?

And now you are getting nasty and flippant with some of your replies.

Can't hide your pace,

Haven't shown sufficient to date.

 

[Hollow Knight]

I literally have no idea what point you're trying to make here

That he is emotionally incapable of defending his opinions in an adult way.

Your Facebook comparison is spot on.

 

[22Lions22]

Aker’s first few years were pretty dang unimpressive back flanker footy. Revisionist history. Didn’t really find himself until Matthews arrived.

Disagree, to my eye it was obvious he had the speed to compete.

 

[Fatcat08]

Disagree with neither of other two, it was obvious to my eye maybe you don't have a good eye for such things?

Smith, Cyril (Hawthorn), etc etc...

No you're just wrong but thanks for trying

Smith is a good finisher but nowhere near a game breaker. Cyril can in glimpses and is close. But he still won't win a game himself and certainly didn't show the ability to do it for long enough in his first year. You got closer with him though

 

[scoman]

Isnt it amazing how much a year or even in some cases a couple of weeks can change a players draft value. I remember us discussing Worpel as a top five pick not that long ago and now it is looking likely he slides into the third round. This despite a pretty decent u18 carnival and TAC season. Our own Ballenden was still being spoken about as a potential No. 1 not that long ago either. Although in his case despite some late NEAFL form he had a largely unimpressive year. I also recall about a year ago this draft was being thought of as being a good one for key position players, with Ballenden, Brander, Coleman Jones and Hayes looking likely top ten picks. Will be very interesting to see how it all ends up.

 

[22Lions22]

That he is emotionally incapable of defending his opinions in an adult way.

Your Facebook comparison is spot on.

Response to being attacked by another over emotional poster.

Read the whole post chain.

 

[22Lions22]

No you're just wrong but thanks for trying

Smith is a good finisher but nowhere near a game breaker. Cyril can in glimpses and is close. But he still won't win a game himself and certainly didn't show the ability to do it for long enough in his first year. You got closer with him though

Berry, Mc Cluggage not in their class for speed and agility.