List Mgmt. 2017 draft thread

[DontArgue4]

So the options are we reach for a KPP we might rank at 23+ with 17 just so we get Naish at a discount or we don't take the KPP but instead take the next best kid after Naish at 17 and wait on a Naish bid, then when that bid does come we find that instead of having added 2 top 25 ranked KPPs we've added 2 midfielder/flanker types in Naish and player X and maybe one KPP.

oh my jesus

so what if we take naish at 17 because the KPPs available we rank at 23+, and then they get taken between our picks? what then?

do we not evd up with flankers like your saying or talls that we rate worse than the ones we could have got at 17 lol

 

[Dr Tigris]

Look forward to reading the complaints about our lack of depth in our KPP stocks being rehashed again if we end up with 2-3 mid/flanker types in the draft given the prevailing thoughts of just take best available at every pick until Naish is bid on.

How does us picking up KPs if we don't take Naish first work?

We take Naish where we want him, for the 20% discount if possible. Seriously I reckon if he really slips beyond 25 we'd take the hit for next year's points. 4 good picks for a small downgrade next year is good value. I understand what you are saying, but it is a worse option than matching.

 

[RockJobster0312]

No I'm not. What I'm saying is draft according to our list needs rather than simply going best available and also ensure we get Naish without reaching for a kid we don't rate inside the top 20 to do so.

Which is exactly what I mean when I say draftin for the sake of it. I know you have a few players ranked in 20-30, but what if they’re aren’t on the board after 17? Do you take the next KPP?

You take the player that is most likely to make it at AFL level. Not simply because they play key back or key forward. What if the only player available at 20 is Todd Elton mkII? Do you take him knowing he isn’t likely to be AFL quality? Or do you take the Luke Parker?

I have Balta and Clavarino ranked in the 20-30 range, both quality KPPs but not quite top shelf, taking them would balance up the list regarding young KPP. The idea isn't to bring in players that can play next year, it's about bringing in a couple of top 25 rated KPPs to develop over the next few years.

Again what if they are both gone at 20? But even if they are two things you are implying:

1. We need to bring in a player now to develop; and
2. The draft is the best place for list balancing.

Both are errenous assumptions IMO. Jack is turning 29 and is in supremely good shape. We have developing players in Garthwaite, Chol and Moore. Plus there will be next years trade period and next years draft period. Shouldn’t we target a player for the next few years that is most likely to be a long term player at the club?

Insofar as list balance goes, is the draft the best answer? I’m not advocating this by any stretch, but if The quality of talks aren’t there, why not bring in a Crameri or that Collins kid from Freo for a year or 2 and get the right KPP kid. Not just a kid cause he is a KPP.

To me having 3 picks inside top 25 is the free hit, we've lost nobody to get those picks and the reigning premier rarely has the opportunity to add 3 quality kids to the list. As I mentioned before we have plenty of young talented mid/flanker types on our list looking for opportunity. What we don't have is plenty of young KPP talent in development. We have Moore Garthwaite Soldo and Chol as our developing KPPs, Garthwaite is the only one who was drafted onto the senior list straight up. The other 3 are all rookies with Soldo now senior listed. Not exactly quality depth is it?

I don’t agree that 3 picks inside the top 25 is a free hit. We had 3 within the top 15 and 5 inside the top 25 and nailed one. You still have to draft AFL quality players.

There’s no doubt our depth in KPP stocks is thin. Can’t disagree. But if we pick up a spud at any pick simply because they’re a KPP that depth still is far from quality.

 

[Metapod]

So the options are we reach for a KPP we might rank at 23+ with 17 just so we get Naish at a discount or we don't take the KPP but instead take the next best kid after Naish at 17 and wait on a Naish bid, then when that bid does come we find that instead of having added 2 top 25 ranked KPPs we've added 2 midfielder/flanker types in Naish and player X and maybe one KPP.

I still don't understand what you are trying to say.

If Naish has NOT received a bid at 17, you take whoever you were going to take at 20. You don't risk that player being picked up between 18-20.

 

[parmy2balmey]

i look forward to the next instalment of this bizarre new series

 

[_RT_]

dude what are you on, seriously lol youre not making any sense whatsoever

if we rate naish as the best available at 17 and he hasnt been bid on yet, why wouldnt we take the 2nd best available at that point? how does picking him up at 17 regardless mean we will get more talls? lol

if the talls we want are got at 17 so we take naish because "thats where we rate him", then those talls are STILL GONE at 20 and 25 so we take 2 guys we rated lower than naish AND our 2nd best available because presumably someone between 17 and 20 will take them since weve use our 17 on naish

honest i dont get your logic at all, sorry mate lol

I really don't think people are reading/understanding what I'm saying fully. So let me put it as simple as possible.

If Brander/Hayes are available at 17 take them and wait for Naish.

If Naish is among a bunch of midfielders we rank from 17-22 and our next highest KPP is ranked 23+ then take Naish and leave 20 & 25 for KPPs.

If we have a KPP rated 17-23 then take them and wait for Naish. If we have 2 KPPs rated 17-23 then take both at 17 & 20 and hope Naish is bid on at 21+.

For me ideal result from the draft is Naish and 2 top 25 rated KPPs I don't care how we do it, but it's what I want to see from the position we find ourselves in regarding picks available. To me that gives us the best chance to have sustained success.

 

[_RT_]

For the record we now have 5 picks available with Batchelor and Lennon both delisted.

 

[mad_doggy911]

Look forward to reading the complaints about our lack of depth in our KPP stocks being rehashed again if we end up with 2-3 mid/flanker types in the draft given the prevailing thoughts of just take best available at every pick until Naish is bid on.

Jesus Christ.

 

[_RT_]

I still don't understand what you are trying to say.

If Naish has NOT received a bid at 17, you take whoever you were going to take at 20. You don't risk that player being picked up between 18-20.

Read my reply above to DontArgue4

 

[parmy2balmey]

 

[living_in_syd]

Like I said if we rank him there then why not take him. We're not using the pick for the sake of it, we're taking him because that is where we rate him.

I understand the desire to take him later in the draft and like everyone else I'm hoping it happens that way, but I have a feeling that what will end up happening is that we'll take Naish at 17 and give ourselves the opportunity to target a couple of KPP types with 20 & 25. That way we get to fill list needs and also take the father son that many expect us to take.

Mate we don't get the 20% discount if we do that. that's stupid.

 

[Mr Magic]

For the record we now have 5 picks available with Batchelor and Lennon both delisted.

I would like to see Lennon rookied if we can.

Hoping he can turn it around next year

 

[Stengle26]

Cool story bro. Still makes no sense to select Naish at 17 if no bit is forthcoming beforehand

Na bro he's just ahead of the curve lol.
Can bans be handed out for stupidity if so RT needs 2 weeks off

 

[richoatthedisco]

Would it be worth getting Crameri with one of our later picks purely as insurance?
Let's face it Griffiths is a week to week proposition, Elton is gone, Chol is hopeless and if Jack gets injured, he may be useful on a cheap salary.

Crameri is 29 and has played two games in two years. Cooked. Cal Moore is your man.

I really don't think people are reading/understanding what I'm saying fully.

Everyone understands what you are saying except you. What you are saying makes no sense. It has been explained to you numerous times why it makes no sense. If you still don't get it, that's your problem, but please stop clogging the thread with this utter nonsense.

 

[Metapod]

For the record we now have 5 picks available with Batchelor and Lennon both delisted.

Smartest thing you've said all thread

 

[_RT_]

Everyone understands what you are saying except you. What you are saying makes no sense. It has been explained to you numerous times why it makes no sense. If you still don't get it, that's your problem, but please stop clogging the thread with this utter nonsense.

So there should be no complaints when we end up with 2-3 midfielders in the draft and are still crying out for KPP depth.

BTW I get why we should wait I just don't agree with doing it and ending up with only 1 KPP as a result.

 

[_RT_]

Mate we don't get the 20% discount if we do that. that's stupid.

We don't get it unless he is bid before 17.

 

[Bobby Sands]

Crameri is 29 and has played two games in two years. Cooked. Cal Moore is your man.


Everyone understands what you are saying except you. What you are saying makes no sense. It has been explained to you numerous times why it makes no sense. If you still don't get it, that's your problem, but please stop clogging the thread with this utter nonsense.

RT..

You are the most unintelligent person on a Richmond Tigers fan board..

Congratulations..

You faced stiff competition, but you conquered all those before you..

 

[enTYSd]

We don't get it unless he is bid before 17.

Only one way to sum up your efforts here.

 

[Stengle26]

Only one way to sum up your efforts here.

Lol made my day this one funny and true

 

[DoItForCaptBlood]

So there should be no complaints when we end up with 2-3 midfielders in the draft and are still crying out for KPP depth.

BTW I get why we should wait I just don't agree with doing it and ending up with only 1 KPP as a result.

Wrong again. No bid for Naish before 17, we take a tall we rank 20-23 so as he doesnt get taken at 18 or 19. Pick 20, same again, no bid, we again take that 2nd tall you wanted and Naish is still coming to us!!

There you go..... 2 talls and Naish just as you wanted without the risk of someone stealing the tall we wanted before we had the chance.

But I'm sure you'll need a few more people to come in and explain it.

 

[_RT_]

Wrong again. No bid for Naish before 17, we take a tall we rank 20-23 so as he doesnt get taken at 18 or 19. Pick 20, same again, no bid, we again take that 2nd tall you wanted and Naish is still coming to us!!

There you go..... 2 talls and Naish just as you wanted without the risk of someone stealing the tall we wanted before we had the chance.

But I'm sure you'll need a few more people to come in and explain it.

So we reach for players just so we can say we got Naish cheaply.

 

[sanaya]

my uncle is selling me a car at family rates but id rather buy it for more than retail price cos theres no better key position cars than it at that price and let the other players i mean cars that we wanted get taken from under us cos we didn't want to (secure) reach for the other cars

 

[DoItForCaptBlood]

So we reach for players just so we can say we got Naish cheaply.

No we reach because we NEED them and so they dont get taken from us. The father son gives us that power.

 

[Wacky Tiger]

my uncle is selling me a car at family rates but id rather buy it for more than retail price cos theres no better key position cars than it at that price and let the other players i mean cars that we wanted get taken from under us cos we didn't want to (secure) reach for the other cars

Go home sanaya you're drunk