List Mgmt. 2017 draft thread

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Ive heard balta is troubled and uncommitted and could slide a long long way on draft night. Worth picking him up? anyone know what hes like?

Troubled how?

lolnorf told him they,ll take him @ #4.

 

[Cotchy9]

What's the major reason behind Brander sliding I wonder? Do other teams just want mids and smalls?? Or has he not come on as expected? I'm excited by the prospect of getting him, but not if we're being sold a lemon

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

From the same reporter who said Naish would cost 2 first rounder,


RICHMOND is set to be spared a difficult draft call on Patrick Naish with the Tigers likely to secure three top-25 talents before a bid arrives on the father-son prospect. The Tigers will target tall players at Friday night’s draft and using picks 17, 20 and 25 before matching a bid for Naish would be a dream finale to a premiership year.

Richmond has been nervous that an early bid would come after five clubs visited Naish’s home during the season and then Fremantle also interviewed him at draft combine.

But queries on whether the outside midfielder can win his own ball should help Richmond secure the son of 143-game Tiger Chris Naish at a cheaper price. Naish’s junior career failed Champion Data’s “Magic Number” rule. That states that draft prospects who win less than 30 per cent of their possessions contested usually struggle in the AFL. Naish recorded a contested possession rate of 27 per cent from 32 matches. He averaged 22 possessions for Vic Metro this year, but only 4.5 contested.

A bunch of high draft picks have failed to kick on after recording similar numbers — James Aish, Billy Hartung, Cale Morton and Jimmy Toumpas. By contrast, No. 1 favourite Cameron Rayner won an impressive 53 per cent of his junior disposals contested across 29 matches. Rayner and top-five pick Paddy Dow went at 60 per cent at the national championships.

Naish only cracked 100 SuperCoach points in four of his 32 matches. But he boasts a beautiful right foot and was the No. 1 metres gained player at the national championships. Naish’s average of 516m was 105m better than the next player as he impressed some recruiters with his natural dare and offensive run.

Tigers coach Damien Hardwick has also shown the ability to reprogram outside players. This year Brandon Ellis went from an uncontested player to one who could win his own ball and use it aggressively. While Naish can sometimes bite off too much by foot, one recruiter said he had a raking kick and would “look good in (our) jumper”.

Naish’s two younger brothers- Xavier, 16 and Charlie, 12 — are also hopeful of playing for Richmond. The diehard Richmond fan kicked 10.3 in his 100th junior match and has trained at Punt Rd the past two summers.

Naish grew up idolising Brett Deledio. He sat in the MCG stands watching Richmond’s premiership after recording 21 disposals at 90 per cent efficiency in the curtain-raiser. He would add a lick of class to Richmond’s existing pressure and grunt.

The Tigers could secure sliding swingman Jarrod Brander at pick 17 on Friday night. Top-five prospect Jaidyn Stephenson might also be available as clubs reassess his heart condition.

Would cap of a pretty good 2017.The fact we use our first 3 picks on needs x1 & best available x2 then Naish.

 

[Bobby Sands]

If Stephenson is there, we roll the dice.

He is an amazing talent.

 

[Cotchy9]

If Stephenson is there, we roll the dice.

He is an amazing talent.

Surely no chance? The rumours are he'll slide but surely someone will pounce before us

 

[richoatthedisco]

Not every player needs to be a great athlete though. His testing was very similar to Cripps I read earlier. He's just a pure footballer

Cripps is a clearance beast, Constable not so much.

 

[GoTigers2015]

17 Stephenson
20 Brander
25 Bailey
41 Naish (match with only with one third rounder)
55 McCartin

 

[Richo83]

Brander has been accused of:

- Inconsistency
- Dropping marks
- Playing like a linkman not a key forward
- Lacking a set position
- Playing without intensity at times
- Not finding enough of the ball

 

[Richo83]

Look at my underrated and overrated tread on the dfat board and you'll find two critics of him.

 

[Bishop]

I'm pretty sure I had us taking Brander months ago and got laughed at - pretty confident it happens.

CCJ we've liked for a long time, I personally don't like him - so we'll see how that plays out.

We're doing our due diligence on Stephenson, my gut feel is if he was there at 25 & all our other picks went as we hope that he gets snapped up there - but it'll all come down to the medical staff.

 

[Richo83]

I'd love Stephenson at 17 let alone 25.

 

[Richo83]

I'm pretty sure I had us taking Brander months ago and got laughed at - pretty confident it happens.

CCJ we've liked for a long time, I personally don't like him - so we'll see how that plays out.

We're doing our due diligence on Stephenson, my gut feel is if he was there at 25 & all our other picks went as we hope that he gets snapped up there - but it'll all come down to the medical staff.

If I ever laughed (and apologies if so) it would have been because it sounded ridiculously inlikely and optimistic, not because it's a bad idea.

 

[Grrr]

I'm pretty sure I had us taking Brander months ago and got laughed at - pretty confident it happens.

CCJ we've liked for a long time, I personally don't like him - so we'll see how that plays out.

We're doing our due diligence on Stephenson, my gut feel is if he was there at 25 & all our other picks went as we hope that he gets snapped up there - but it'll all come down to the medical staff.

I remember questioning but not laughing....
Brander can be accused of all the points Richo83 mentioned above, so he isn't the complete footballer. But moves so well for a big bloke... you'd take the punt surely??

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Brander has been accused of:

- Inconsistency
- Dropping marks
- Playing like a linkman not a key forward
- Lacking a set position
- Playing without intensity at times
- Not finding enough of the ball

Sounds like a few recently departed talls on our list.

 

[Grrr]

Sounds like a few recently departed talls on our list.

No because none of our recent talls moved well.. Elton wasn't too bad. Very athletic.

 

[Godspeed]

I don't know anything but have faith in our recruiting staff - which is an unusual feeling.

 

[JR82]

Definitely have done extremely well in the drafts since 2013. Last year was the stand out, couldn't have done much better with our picks.
More of the same this year hopefully.

Reckon we did well in '14 as well, some good late picks which was unusual for us at the time.

 

[JR82]

Add some talls to this crop & we have a decent core all coming through together.

http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2017-11-20/tigers-talented-department-of-youth

 

[JR82]

From the same reporter who said Naish would cost 2 first rounders.


RICHMOND is set to be spared a difficult draft call on Patrick Naish with the Tigers likely to secure three top-25 talents before a bid arrives on the father-son prospect. The Tigers will target tall players at Friday night’s draft and using picks 17, 20 and 25 before matching a bid for Naish would be a dream finale to a premiership year.

Richmond has been nervous that an early bid would come after five clubs visited Naish’s home during the season and then Fremantle also interviewed him at draft combine.

But queries on whether the outside midfielder can win his own ball should help Richmond secure the son of 143-game Tiger Chris Naish at a cheaper price. Naish’s junior career failed Champion Data’s “Magic Number” rule. That states that draft prospects who win less than 30 per cent of their possessions contested usually struggle in the AFL. Naish recorded a contested possession rate of 27 per cent from 32 matches. He averaged 22 possessions for Vic Metro this year, but only 4.5 contested.

A bunch of high draft picks have failed to kick on after recording similar numbers — James Aish, Billy Hartung, Cale Morton and Jimmy Toumpas. By contrast, No. 1 favourite Cameron Rayner won an impressive 53 per cent of his junior disposals contested across 29 matches. Rayner and top-five pick Paddy Dow went at 60 per cent at the national championships.

Naish only cracked 100 SuperCoach points in four of his 32 matches. But he boasts a beautiful right foot and was the No. 1 metres gained player at the national championships. Naish’s average of 516m was 105m better than the next player as he impressed some recruiters with his natural dare and offensive run.

Tigers coach Damien Hardwick has also shown the ability to reprogram outside players. This year Brandon Ellis went from an uncontested player to one who could win his own ball and use it aggressively. While Naish can sometimes bite off too much by foot, one recruiter said he had a raking kick and would “look good in (our) jumper”.

Naish’s two younger brothers- Xavier, 16 and Charlie, 12 — are also hopeful of playing for Richmond. The diehard Richmond fan kicked 10.3 in his 100th junior match and has trained at Punt Rd the past two summers.

Naish grew up idolising Brett Deledio. He sat in the MCG stands watching Richmond’s premiership after recording 21 disposals at 90 per cent efficiency in the curtain-raiser. He would add a lick of class to Richmond’s existing pressure and grunt.

The Tigers could secure sliding swingman Jarrod Brander at pick 17 on Friday night. Top-five prospect Jaidyn Stephenson might also be available as clubs reassess his heart condition.

Hopefully this scares off Clubs from an early bid

 

[GoTigers2015]

Reckon we did well in '14 as well, some good late picks which was unusual for us at the time.

For sure, but last year we seem to have nailed every pick, a clear standout IMO

 

[JR82]

What's the major reason behind Brander sliding I wonder? Do other teams just want mids and smalls?? Or has he not come on as expected? I'm excited by the prospect of getting him, but not if we're being sold a lemon

I not overly surprised, talls tend to slide every year.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

No because none of our recent talls moved well.. Elton wasn't too bad. Very athletic.

Has to be a reason why he is slipping though.

 

[JR82]

For sure, but last year we seem to have nailed every pick, a clear standout IMO

Mind you '15 was good too. seems since '14 we have been recruiting very well & in a way we have won a flag before our time. Glad we struck while Rance/Jack/Cotch/Dusty were all in thier prime. exciting times ahead as well.

 

[Bishop]

Brander has been accused of:

- Inconsistency
- Dropping marks
- Playing like a linkman not a key forward
- Lacking a set position
- Playing without intensity at times
- Not finding enough of the ball

Need to remember he's played under 6 different coaches this year, and be forward/back/forward/forward/back etc - no consistency. Not easy to learn one game plan/structure let alone two (at both ends).

 

[Richo83]

Need to remember he's played under 6 different coaches this year, and be forward/back/forward/forward/back etc - no consistency. Not easy to learn one game plan/structure let alone two (at both ends).

No doubt, and they're good points, I'm merely the messenger. He'd be the most highly rated junior KPF drafted by Ricbmond since... Vickery? And even he was a ruck/forward hybrid. So it's about time Richmond drafted a type like him. Before that it's Riewoldt and then before that... Schulz?

One thing I've noticed is there doesn't seem to be one player without some knock on them, which seems a tad unusual.