List Mgmt. 2017 draft thread

[Toadvine]

That would be the way i would try and go. Whether you could trade up early enough to get him is the other thing

Plus with the draft seemingly having a drop off outside the top 10 I think it's going to be hard to find another team willing to do that deal with us.

 

[Wacky Tiger]

Plus with the draft seemingly having a drop off outside the top 10 I think it's going to be hard to find another team willing to do that deal with us.

Exactly.

Its for that reason ive wore every Geelong get out of jail win harder than our close losses. That pick should be lower

 

[Dr Tigris]

None of the talls in this draft are going to help us next year in the seniors .We're going to have to trade in someone from another club .FA Reid - Casboult both shit and will be overpriced giving Carlton & Sydney first round picks .Or try and find a young forward from another club with 2-3 years development in them .Who i have no idea .

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True, but beside the point IMHO. We need another genuine AFL quality KPF for 2018.

But we also need to start restocking the cupboard for talls. Our first team is full of mature talls, with a few years left to go (I so love knowing that barring injury or form loss we have a great spine for the next 3-5 years). But it takes about that much time for a drafted tall to mature usually. So we need to be drafting them now. And given that talls outside the first 10-15 are almost as likely as late picks to be worthwhile, we probably need to start drafting a few of them.

So we trade/FA for the next couple of years and draft for after 5 years from now.

 

[HumanMeatball]

Plus with the draft seemingly having a drop off outside the top 10 I think it's going to be hard to find another team willing to do that deal with us.

Draft drops off after 30. A team may do it

 

[Mr Magic]

Plus with the draft seemingly having a drop off outside the top 10 I think it's going to be hard to find another team willing to do that deal with us.

Yeah thats an interesting observation that could be misconstrued for a cliche.

Lets face it, one hears it nearly every year it drops away at a certain level.

I had a look at some of these U18 champs on the TV. Like always some caught my attention some not so much but everyone has a different opinion. Some I still have not seen yet like Brander.

My attitude with Naish is he is handy, shows talent, there is something there but he is far from a complete package. Put it this way Obrien of Vic Country would have to be clearly ahead because he can kick on both fit as well as other aspects like his running background. To put it bluntly I like Naish's reach in one marking contest and he seems to be reasonably effective on his right based also on what I read. Another positive is some like Twomey have him at 183cm now instead of 180cm which seems more accurate based on the vision.

So if Naish was not a father son would I pick him in the first round?? Not necessarily. Frankly there are others I find more appealing in terms of solid all-round package but when and where they fall is another matter. Having said that Naish is handy to have as a Tiger because of the passion and belonging he should bring playing for his fathers club in the sense he is likely to be more successful at RFC than another club for club and player and he represents something to work with at least and is not a over hyped list clogger like an Arnott at minimum in terms of drawing clear absolute lines in the sand. So my attitude with Naish is yes get him, but use picks after the two first rounders even if it means getting into debt.

My other opinion is I would not necessarily chase a KPP in this draft either. Like I said I have not seen Brander but nobody has really stood out as a clear cut candidate as such and we might be better served accumulated best available types at value that meet equivalent deficiencies in other areas. Some might develop and become very good AFL players but I saw no Lance Franklin types in terms of brilliance. If anything I liked the opportunities for the 2018 draft. Other options could be trading out a first rounder for a first rounder in 2018 if other clubs are desperate just have to use patience and see what happens.

Generally I thinking there are far more solid candidates early on like your Rayner and Luke Davies but I am not necessarily seeing a clear level dropping off at the top 10 mark. It drops off gradually but I do not think its easily defined as that an open to interpretation. So there might be some value pick ups 15-20 without getting steals like a Selwood, Burton, Lever etc... due to injury set backs. It depends on who rates who. If some rate it a certain way one could argue it drops off after 10 but if others rate them differently some quality could be available 15-20 and after plus usually one or two will rise at the back end of simply not being known and being exposed to the competition and business end of the draft qualifying period. I think there is a bit of diversity in the spread after the more solid types early and it depends on peoples interpretations of the players attributes as to how they rate each player against the others and the accuracy of such interpretations. For example I have seen some differences in how some phantom observers place certain players and I do not necessarily disagree with them having at least some substance to their argument so I do not think the basket is too clear cut as some would like to think.

 

[Toadvine]

Draft drops off after 30. A team may do it

That's where they're saying the draftable players drops off. At this stage, it seems after pick 5 you could throw a blanket over the next 15 players...

From what I've read anyway. What do you think Bishop ?

 

[Bobby Sands]

That's where they're saying the draftable players drops off. At this stage, it seems after pick 10 you could throw a blanket over the next 15 players...

From what I've read anyway. What do you think Bishop ?

Bishop didn't rate Powell-Pepper

 

[HumanMeatball]

Bishop didn't rate Powell-Pepper

Fair few others didn't either. I still think fair few draftees have bigger scope then Powell pepper

 

[Bishop]

Why don't we trade our 2 firsts for an early pick so we can get Sutherland?

Smart theory, but for a club to trade up - one must trade down. Hard to entice with picks this year.

Foxsports have Naish at 11

11. PATRICK NAISH

Clubs: Northern/Vic Metro

Position: Half Back/Midfield

Size: 180cm, 69kg

Bio: Richmond fans, get excited. Eligible as a father-son with the Tigers, Naish enjoyed a solid champs campaign where his standing as a genuine first-round prospect was enhanced each week. A classy and speedy ball mover off half-back, he also has the ability to push onto a wing and kick a goal. His dad Chris played 143 games for Richmond and you can expect the Tigers to match any bid for him around this position at season’s end

The same Fox Sports that have seen 5 games of Under 18 footy this year - yeah thanks for the opinions though.

That's where they're saying the draftable players drops off. At this stage, it seems after pick 5 you could throw a blanket over the next 15 players...

From what I've read anyway. What do you think Bishop ?

No depth after 30 - falls off a cliff. First round will still give some good players.

Bishop didn't rate Powell-Pepper

Stand by that his kicking wasn't good enough to play as a pure IM or HBF - HFF was always a good hit for him and he's been good in his first year.

Overall though, it's too early to judge. Let's wait 10 years and see how the rest of the draft pool works out.

 

[HumanMeatball]

Smart theory, but for a club to trade up - one must trade down. Hard to entice with picks this year.



The same Fox Sports that have seen 5 games of Under 18 footy this year - yeah thanks for the opinions though.



No depth after 30 - falls off a cliff. First round will still give some good players.



Stand by that his kicking wasn't good enough to play as a pure IM or HBF - HFF was always a good hit for him and he's been good in his first year.

Overall though, it's too early to judge. Let's wait 10 years and see how the rest of the draft pool works out.

surely Brisbane could be keen or we could do it as part of a trade allowing a team to get a player ect. Wait and see I suppose

 

[juss]

Naish is coming to the Tiges next year.
If we are lucky, it will be with a combination of second and third round picks.
Our strategy should be 2 first rounders on best available, and then Naish with our next pick combos. One of those 2 1st rounders, if not both, needs to be key position.
I'm really advocating offloading some players for 2nd or 3rd rounders to secure Naish with.

 

[juss]

Also, if Sam Hayes is available at our first rounder, we must take him.
He is exactly what we need.

 

[JR82]

Why don't we trade our 2 firsts for an early pick so we can get Sutherland?

Then we can't get Naish unless we trade into the Draft

 

[JR82]

Smart theory, but for a club to trade up - one must trade down. Hard to entice with picks this year.



The same Fox Sports that have seen 5 games of Under 18 footy this year - yeah thanks for the opinions though.



No depth after 30 - falls off a cliff. First round will still give some good players.



Stand by that his kicking wasn't good enough to play as a pure IM or HBF - HFF was always a good hit for him and he's been good in his first year.

Overall though, it's too early to judge. Let's wait 10 years and see how the rest of the draft pool works out.

With Naish, is the best bet to trade into the 2nd rd to cover off the case where he gets a bid in the 1st round? ideally we get to use our 2 1sts in open Draft then use 2nd to match a bid.

 

[Bishop]

With Naish, is the best bet to trade into the 2nd rd to cover off the case where he gets a bid in the 1st round? ideally we get to use our 2 1sts in open Draft then use 2nd to match a bid.

Wouldn't be trading our picks backwards, ideal and likely way is we keep our 2x1st rounders, then match Naish with our 3rd/4th rounders etc.

 

[JR82]

Wouldn't be trading our picks backwards, ideal and likely way is we keep our 2x1st rounders, then match Naish with our 3rd/4th rounders etc.

Yer i meant keeping our 2 1sts & trade into 2nd round on top of that. Ideally we take our 2 1st rounders to the draft.

 

[richoplzbreed]

Oscar allen is gettable with 1 of our first rounders can be a long term KPF investment??? Our backlines sorted already, small forwards are in abundance, need a cheap ruckman like tom Goodwin from Coburg to chopout nank. jack graham and vlaustin are midfield depth as is conca I guess. I guess out of necessity we can get casboult as a free agent so no loss of picks and surely won't break the bank the promise of finals footy should suffice. test the waters with our first pick or even both with GWS see who we can get in return eg- hopper, himmelburg, kennedy??????? hopefully get naish by combining our later pick points. I'd sound out Gary Ablett Jr for a 2 year deal with an option of a third if he is going well its not geelong but if he really wants to be back home we're close enough so his million dollar deal can be spread out to $550k per year. His knowledge will be priceless what he can pass on to some of our kids.

TOM LYNCH IS A FREE AGENT AT END OF 2018. I WILL FORGIVE ALL PAST TALK ABOUT WARCHESTS AND BIG FISH WHO WERE REALLY ONLY MINNOWS IF WE CAN LAND THIS BLOKE. THIS YEAR TARGET CASBOULT AND ABLETT JR AS WONT COST TOO MUCH AND KEEP OUR POWDER DRY FOR THIS MARLIN AT THE END OF NEXT YEAR.

 

[Charlie Pannam]

Our draft guru ranks the top 25 prospects in the land
http://m.afl.com.au/news/2017-07-06/callum-twomeys-phantom-form-guide-july-edition

Naish at 14. We may have to get inventive with our two firsts if we have to use it

definitely. I can see the scenario draft night - a club below us bids its first round selection forcing us to match it with one of our first round picks.

So in that case we use one first round pick on Naish leaving us with another mid-late teen pick - net result 2 players ranked in the mid teens

Why not trade up so we are absolutely certain that we won't need to use that pick on Naish eg picks 18 (thats us) and 12 (Geelong) for a pick in the top 3 or 4 - net result we get Naish using a combination of 2nd and 3rd round picks and we get an elite talent such as Rayner/Davies-Uniake/Cerra.

Posters who were saying that Naish is definitely no chance of going first round are slowly changing their tune, strange that, after Callum Twomey and others have come out with Naish ranked so high

 

[Magic17]

I'd be disappointed if we spent a first rounder on a kid who's not prepared to get their own ball. Naish is too outside for me.

 

[GoTigers2015]

definitely. I can see the scenario draft night - a club below us bids its first round selection forcing us to match it with one of our first round picks.

So in that case we use one first round pick on Naish leaving us with another mid-late teen pick - net result 2 players ranked in the mid teens

Why not trade up so we are absolutely certain that we won't need to use that pick on Naish eg picks 18 (thats us) and 12 (Geelong) for a pick in the top 3 or 4 - net result we get Naish using a combination of 2nd and 3rd round picks and we get an elite talent such as Rayner/Davies-Uniake/Cerra.

Posters who were saying that Naish is definitely no chance of going first round are slowly changing their tune, strange that, after Callum Twomey and others have come out with Naish ranked so high

Might be possible to trade for a higher pick and a second rounder. From the nominal draft order from the main board, if we traded picks 15 and 16 (2179 points) for picks 9 and 26 (2198 points), this could be feasible.

 

[Joey longshadow]

Wouldn't be trading our picks backwards, ideal and likely way is we keep our 2x1st rounders, then match Naish with our 3rd/4th rounders etc.

With the Naish bid in mind. How much traction do you give the Miles to Sydney rumor and if so would a second rounder be feasible considering his numbers in the frosties this season

 

[Dr Tigris]

Are there any rules around trading picks and father son?

Because I can imagine teams trading away a pick that they might have to use for a F/S, to get better picks overall including the F/S. That is, it would be easy to game the system.

 

[tigs2010]

Might be possible to trade for a higher pick and a second rounder. From the nominal draft order from the main board, if we traded picks 15 and 16 (2179 points) for picks 9 and 26 (2198 points), this could be feasible.

Hawks in a great position to rebuild

 

[Bishop]

I'd be disappointed if we spent a first rounder on a kid who's not prepared to get their own ball. Naish is too outside for me.

20% Contested possessions in the Champs, one of the worst of those who will likely get drafted. His decision making/kicking in defensive 50 is poor and turnovers kill teams. Best up forward, using his smarts/decision making.

As I say time and time again - The 'media' pump it up as it's a good story & gets clicks to the website. "Oh look Tiger fans you've got a star coming your way"

Maybe not....

With the Naish bid in mind. How much traction do you give the Miles to Sydney rumor and if so would a second rounder be feasible considering his numbers in the frosties this season

No way is a second round pick for Miles going to be agreed upon by Sydney. They aren't that dumb.

He's worth a third rounder + and even then in this draft - we wouldn't use that pick.

 

[GoTigers2015]

Hawks in a great position to rebuild

LOLPort. Will probably try again to shop Hamish Hartlett to get into the draft.