List Mgmt. 2017 draft thread

[Stengle26]

Naish will likely be bid on before 17 anyways. If he's not I'd still take him there and give ourselves the freedom to take who we want later on.

Lol this comment

 

[THE_GUN]

Do West Coast need Allen? I know he's a local but they've drafted interstate kids before and their first round pick in the past three drafts has been from interstage (Venables, Partington and Duggan). I'd be drafting an inside midfielder with some pace if I were them.

I think they do, Kennedy will have a few year left so could be a decent 2nd/3rd tall replacement
there are also some followers that believe that Allen also has the potential to be that bigger midfielder in time as well as playing foward

 

[Richo83]

I think they do, Kennedy will have a few year left so could be a decent 2nd/3rd tall replacement
there are also some followers that believe that Allen also has the potential to be that bigger midfielder in time as well as playing foward

Kennedy is 30 and could easily play another 5 years and retire around 35 a la Riewoldt and Pavlich. Allen may be able to play midfield but it's a big if. Gut tells me they go midfielder or maybe a flanker either back or forward. I understand Kennedy will need a replacement but they also need a replacement for Priddis and Mitchell. At the moment they've got Sheed, Shuey, Redden, Yeo who often plugs other holes in their team, Gaff who is outside and then guys like Duggan, Venables and Partington. It's a midfield held together with sticky tape and they surely know it.

 

[THE_GUN]

Kennedy is 30 and could easily play another 5 years and retire around 35 a la Riewoldt and Pavlich. Allen may be able to play midfield but it's a big if. Gut tells me they go midfielder or maybe a flanker either back or forward.

Not sure Kennedy at 35 , I would think 33 things start going a bit off after that not to mention the players them self's getting soft tissue injuries

Jack Darling is also on the nose with his performances under pressure as well, Think you go best available at #13 and if Allen is best available then you take him

 

[Richo83]

West Coast still need midfielders so its jot lke they're wasting picks any good midfieler will help them improve. Afl draft central did an October draft and Bonar was available at their pick. Someone will fall for them it always happens.

 

[Richo83]

Not sure Kennedy at 35 , I would think 33 things start going a bit off after that not to mention the players them self's getting soft tissue injuries

Jack Darling is also on the nose with his performances under pressure as well, Think you go best available at #13 and if Allen is best available then you take him

My mindset is West Coast should aim to win a premiership with Kennedy and Darling and not wait. They can build a side capable of winning it within 2-3 years, they just need to draft and trade well around the pieces they've got. To me drafting a guy to replace Kennedy is in a way admitting that you wont win in the next few years and building for a run in 5-10 years time. They need to be drafting to improve now.

 

[THE_GUN]

My mindset is West Coast should aim to win a premiership with Kennedy and Darling and not wait. They can build a side capable of winning it within 2-3 years, they just need to draft and trade well around the pieces they've got. To me drafting a guy to replace Kennedy is in a way admitting that you wont win in the next few years and building for a run in 5-10 years time. They need to be drafting to improve now.

I think West Coast themself's as well as the rest of the AFL world would agree that they are no chance of winning a flag in the next 3 years, They are just starting a rebuild effectively with half their midfield retired and 30% of their current list 28+
McKenzie 30
Kennedy 30
Natanui 28 (in may)
LeCras 31
Masten 29
Reden 28
wellingham 29
Shuey 28
Jetta 28
Hurn 31
Schofield 29
Hill 29

 

[4tune8]

A good insight
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2017/10/25/tigers-engaging-with-naish-says-dad/

 

[Bobby Sands]

Everyone talking Balta.

But Clavarino looks the blue-chip key position?

Matt Lloyd said he has never seen a young player read the flight of the ball so well.

 

[THE_GUN]

Everyone talking Balta.

But Clavarino looks the blue-chip key position?

Matt Lloyd said he has never seen a young player read the flight of the ball so well.

That's the beauty of Richmond position this year. In a premiership winning year we have delisted / retired players that have had no influence to our year in Yarran,Maric,Hunt,Morris,Elton and possibly 1 of Lennon/Batchelor

But will add 4 players that are rated in the top 25 kids in the land making Richmond one of the youngest teams in 2018 and Adding 4 top 25 kids to the VFL team that has played off in a VFL grand final that has 14 great kids that have shown a massive amount this year

But Clavarino would be in the Radar of a few teams and would be rated around the top 30 i would say. Who know maybe he might be our 2017 #53

 

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Lol this comment

Why? I rate Naish as a 15-20 prospectbased on what I've read from those that watch the kids. So that is why I'd take him at pick 17. It would be great to have him slide to pick 25 or later like some are hoping happens but that is unrealistic.

 

[DontArgue4]

West Coast still need midfielders so its jot lke they're wasting picks any good midfieler will help them improve. Afl draft central did an October draft and Bonar was available at their pick. Someone will fall for them it always happens.

pretty sure they are actually on record saying they are focussing entirely on mids in the draft

 

[prodigy]

Why? I rate Naish as a 15-20 prospectbased on what I've read from those that watch the kids. So that is why I'd take him at pick 17. It would be great to have him slide to pick 25 or later like some are hoping happens but that is unrealistic.

Why would we take him with pick 17 if he hasn’t been bid on at that stage though? I’d personally rather just wait it out and potentially get him for less.


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[Tiger_Of_Old]

Talk is the Doggies are interested, so expect a bid from them at 16. Even if they don't another club with a late teens pick will surely bid knowing we have traded picks specifically to match it.

With Cloke retiring.Surely they will take Elton@16 now.

 

[DoItForCaptBlood]

Why would we take him with pick 17 if he hasn’t been bid on at that stage though? I’d personally rather just wait it out and potentially get him for less.


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I think he is saying there will be a bid so accept we will have to use 17. Otherwise there is a disconnect with logic.

 

[db26]

We have never bid on dogs father and sons I can recall.They have a few coming up so they will be wary of that to. We have only bid on suns and giants players I recall academy .I think maybe in the twenties a bid will come.

 

[4tune8]

Why? I rate Naish as a 15-20 prospectbased on what I've read from those that watch the kids. So that is why I'd take him at pick 17. It would be great to have him slide to pick 25 or later like some are hoping happens but that is unrealistic.

I think what people are saying is that rather than using 17 just for the sake of it, use 17 to acquire the best for us at that pick and if Naish is bid on between 17-20 then we can use 20 to match, same if bid is between 21-24, we use 25 to match. After 25 we use the 50's picks to match. Of course if he's bid on before 17 then we have to use 17 to match. It's pointless to bid on him ourselves because we push our pick up the order when there is no need, potentially costing us another to 30 pick in the process, ie; 4 top 30 picks as opposed to 3 top 30 = no brainer

 

[db26]

Everyone talking Balta.

But Clavarino looks the blue-chip key position?

Matt Lloyd said he has never seen a young player read the flight of the ball so well.

I hope he last to pick 20.Be great getting him and Rance grooming him.

 

[db26]

I think what people are saying is that rather than using 17 just for the sake of it, use 17 to acquire the best for us at that pick and if Naish is bid on between 17-20 then we can use 20 to match, same if bid is between 21-24, we use 25 to match. After 25 we use the 50's picks to match. Of course if he's bid on before 17 then we have to use 17 to match. It's pointless to bid on him ourselves because we push our pick up the order when there is no need, potentially costing us another to 30 pick in the process, ie; 4 top 30 picks as opposed to 3 top 30 = no brainer

So if we use pick 17 on him after a early bid does the extra remaining points move up our pick 20 ?.

 

[4tune8]

So if we use pick 17 on him after a early bid does the extra remaining points move up our pick 20 ?.

unfortunately (un4tune8ly haha) no, I think the remaining points convert to a late pick, around 60 that we probably cant use cos of the live pick situation

 

[JR82]

Why? I rate Naish as a 15-20 prospectbased on what I've read from those that watch the kids. So that is why I'd take him at pick 17. It would be great to have him slide to pick 25 or later like some are hoping happens but that is unrealistic.

No way we take him before he is bid on.

as things stand incl our 2 upgrades we have 3 spots left on our list. this only changes if someone else goes etc.

 

[_RT_]

Why would we take him with pick 17 if he hasn’t been bid on at that stage though? I’d personally rather just wait it out and potentially get him for less.


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I think what people are saying is that rather than using 17 just for the sake of it, use 17 to acquire the best for us at that pick and if Naish is bid on between 17-20 then we can use 20 to match, same if bid is between 21-24, we use 25 to match. After 25 we use the 50's picks to match. Of course if he's bid on before 17 then we have to use 17 to match. It's pointless to bid on him ourselves because we push our pick up the order when there is no need, potentially costing us another to 30 pick in the process, ie; 4 top 30 picks as opposed to 3 top 30 = no brainer

Like I said if we rank him there then why not take him. We're not using the pick for the sake of it, we're taking him because that is where we rate him.

I understand the desire to take him later in the draft and like everyone else I'm hoping it happens that way, but I have a feeling that what will end up happening is that we'll take Naish at 17 and give ourselves the opportunity to target a couple of KPP types with 20 & 25. That way we get to fill list needs and also take the father son that many expect us to take.

 

[DoItForCaptBlood]

Like I said if we rank him there then why not take him.

I understand the desire to take him later in the draft.

1. ??????

2. You're getting there!

 

[Calcium Man]

Like I said if we rank him there then why not take him. We're not using the pick for the sake of it, we're taking him because that is where we rate him.

I understand the desire to take him later in the draft and like everyone else I'm hoping it happens that way, but I have a feeling that what will end up happening is that we'll take Naish at 17 and give ourselves the opportunity to target a couple of KPP types with 20 & 25. That way we get to fill list needs and also take the father son that many expect us to take.

This makes no sense. Why wouldn't you just take the KPP at 17 instead of hoping he makes it through a couple more picks to 20 or 25.

Say it's Balta we want and we use 17 on Naish and the Lions use 18 on Balta we've just shot ourselves in the foot.

If we use 17 on Balta we are not relying on others not to pick him and we get Naish regardless.

 

[mad_doggy911]

I think West Coast themself's as well as the rest of the AFL world would agree that they are no chance of winning a flag in the next 3 years, They are just starting a rebuild effectively with half their midfield retired and 30% of their current list 28+
McKenzie 30
Kennedy 30
Natanui 28 (in may)
LeCras 31
Masten 29
Reden 28
wellingham 29
Shuey 28
Jetta 28
Hurn 31
Schofield 29
Hill 29

Gee that's depressing. I would hate to be an Eagles fan.

Most of them are old spuds too.

They'll crash hard IMO.