List Mgmt. 2017 draft thread

[fargothegreat]

Not sure how many more times I have to say it.

If we get to 17 and the next 6-8 players on our list are midfielder/flanker types I'd take Naish and keep 20 and 25 to go after the KPPs we rate in the 20s.

If a KPP we rate above 17 gets to 17 theen you take them and look at Naish or a KPP then.

Why not just take the KPP at 17 if we want that type of player?

If another club rates that KPP higher than us and takes them between 17 and 20 then we've screwed ourselves by taking Naish before we had to.

What you're suggesting makes absolutely no sense if you stop and think about it

 

[Calcium Man]

Not sure how many more times I have to say it.

If we get to 17 and the next 6-8 players on our list are midfielder/flanker types I'd take Naish and keep 20 and 25 to go after the KPPs we rate in the 20s.

If a KPP we rate above 17 gets to 17 theen you take them and look at Naish or a KPP then.

Just no mate. It doesn't matter where we rate Naish, it only matters where everyone else rates him and if we think thats acceptable value. If we take him at 17 and nobody would have taken him before 25 we've just given up a pick we didn't need too.

We take the next best available on our list outside of Naish at every pick and let the market dictate his worth.

 

[TigermanM2]

What happened to the Swans KPD from last year who didn't take their deal and then ended up delisted?

Handy backline backup as a rookie?

You're thinking of Xavier Richards. Played in the 2016 GF and turned his nose on a 2 year contract extension only to find no one wanted him.

He actually played as the 3rd tall forward with the Swans.

Played NEAFL this year as a key forward. Don't think he set the world on fire at that level.

EDIT: This was reported not long ago....
FORMER Sydney forward Xavier Richards won't nominate for this year's NAB AFL Draft, almost certainly completing one of the AFL's strangest career exits.

 

[Spanish_Fly]

Not sure how many more times I have to say it.

If we get to 17 and the next 6-8 players on our list are midfielder/flanker types I'd take Naish and keep 20 and 25 to go after the KPPs we rate in the 20s.

If a KPP we rate above 17 gets to 17 theen you take them and look at Naish or a KPP then.

I'm not sure how many more times people need to explain to you that there is NO scenario where if Naish is not bid on before 17 it would make any sense to pick him at 17. None, Zero, Nada. Even proposing it is incredibly stupid.

 

[parmy2balmey]

i like bongs

 

[Bobby Sands]

ANALYSIS: Where did it all go wrong for Xavier Richards?
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-12-02/analysis-where-did-it-all-go-wrong-for-xavier-richards

I was at a party with him & his mates on the weekend..

Apparently he just didn't want to play anymore / wasn't committed.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Natanui 28 (in may)

Nat 28?
And still yet to take a contested mark.

 

[Mr Magic]

I heard a little rumour in my left ear Naish is going to another club. It is all a ruse and Tigerland will not even bid for him!!!


I heard he gets the same salary for 2 years regardless of who he plays for and is looking for a change for a while.

I heard, he will play dead and Tigers will pick him up after 2 years for next to nothing as he is a true team player!!!

 

[mad_doggy911]

I heard a little rumour in my left ear Naish is going to another club. It is all a ruse and Tigerland will not even bid for him!!!


I heard he gets the same salary for 2 years regardless of who he plays for and is looking for a change for a while.

I heard, he will play dead and Tigers will pick him up after 2 years for next to nothing as he is a true team player!!!

Here we go.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Wouldn't mind Pia Miller's son Ben just to get her back at the club.
196cm.Good athlete.

 

[Mr Magic]

Here we go.

He will take two years to get his body AFL ready anyway to develop from his light frame before he can play in our premiership team. By then Tigers will have enough money, offloading players to get him in salary boost, in the meantime Naish is outsourced to another club as he gets more AFL experience, its a cunning plan that has been in the making for a while apparently and the high draft year hype has been an orchestrated beat-up to set the ruse in motion. Naish obviously happy to play dead at the other club before gets back to his beloved Tigers with a premiership chance to boot!!!

Very clever Tigers and imaginative with originality!!! No one will believe it thus its effectiveness to succeed!!

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Is he the fat kid sitting next to Scott West at the GF?

That was Tiger71

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

One Phantom Draft picking Constable at pick 20 (Tigers).

In our current situation.Be ironic.

 

[Azzleberry]

He will take two years to get his body AFL ready anyway to develop from his light frame before he can play in our premiership team. By then Tigers will have enough money, offloading players to get him in salary boost, in the meantime Naish is outsourced to another club as he gets more AFL experience, its a cunning plan that has been in the making for a while apparently and the high draft year hype has been an orchestrated beat-up to set the ruse in motion. Naish obviously happy to play dead at the other club before gets back to his beloved Tigers with a premiership chance to boot!!!

Very clever Tigers and imaginative with originality!!! No one will believe it thus its effectiveness to succeed!!

I can guarantee this is not true knowing how much time the club has already invested in him as a teenager.

Also the only time we pick him up without another club forcing our hand is at 25 if we don't clear list spots and go into the draft for 3 players only. Otherwise, we won't pick him until a club bids. Don't know how hard that is to understand

 

[_RT_]

Conversely, what if there are no KPP players on our list at that point? Similar to my gripe with those who were up in arms in not getting Schache, what you are talking about is drafting a player for the sake of it.

No I'm not. What I'm saying is draft according to our list needs rather than simply going best available and also ensure we get Naish without reaching for a kid we don't rate inside the top 20 to do so.

No doubt we are thin on KPP talent. But saying let’s get one or two KPPs regardless of who they are doesn’t make sense. If they are not talented enough, why draft them? If they aren’t going to play it makes no sense. See Gold Coast and Hawthorn games this year.

I have Balta and Clavarino ranked in the 20-30 range, both quality KPPs but not quite top shelf, taking them would balance up the list regarding young KPP. The idea isn't to bring in players that can play next year, it's about bringing in a couple of top 25 rated KPPs to develop over the next few years.

You take the best available player IMO. If that’s a KPP so be it. If it’s a midfielder or flanker so be it. Select players who can play, not who are a certain position.

It's funny everyone says we take the best available at 17 but if the best available is Naish we shouldn't, and yes I get why people want that to happen. As I've said if a KPP who is rated above 17 was to slide through to 17 then we take him and match for Naish later.

With Naish it’s a free hit. Keep taking the players you rate until you have to match a bid. I’d rather have three talented players that can contribute to a successful AFL team than Naish + 2x KPP of the latter two aren’t any good.

To me having 3 picks inside top 25 is the free hit, we've lost nobody to get those picks and the reigning premier rarely has the opportunity to add 3 quality kids to the list. As I mentioned before we have plenty of young talented mid/flanker types on our list looking for opportunity. What we don't have is plenty of young KPP talent in development. We have Moore Garthwaite Soldo and Chol as our developing KPPs, Garthwaite is the only one who was drafted onto the senior list straight up. The other 3 are all rookies with Soldo now senior listed. Not exactly quality depth is it?

 

[parmy2balmey]

 

[THE THIN MAN]

 

[TRUMAN#1]

Thanks RT.

I am now dumber then I was after reading the last few pages.

 

[Metapod]

Not sure how many more times I have to say it.

If we get to 17 and the next 6-8 players on our list are midfielder/flanker types I'd take Naish and keep 20 and 25 to go after the KPPs we rate in the 20s.

If a KPP we rate above 17 gets to 17 theen you take them and look at Naish or a KPP then.

This still makes no sense mate. If one of the KPPs we rate in the 20s is available at 17, there is no guarantee they will be available at pick 20 or 25. On the other hand, Naish will be guaranteed to be available at pick 20 and/or 25 (or above) if not bidded on before 17.

If you want both, you wait til Naish is bidded on. Simples

 

[_RT_]

Look forward to reading the complaints about our lack of depth in our KPP stocks being rehashed again if we end up with 2-3 mid/flanker types in the draft given the prevailing thoughts of just take best available at every pick until Naish is bid on.

 

[Metapod]

Look forward to reading the complaints about our lack of depth in our KPP stocks being rehashed again if we end up with 2-3 mid/flanker types in the draft given the prevailing thoughts of just take best available at every pick until Naish is bid on.

Again, makes no sense. You're saying to avoid taking a KPP at 17 in order to get Naish and hope we can pick some up at 20 + 25, even though there's a chance they may not be there.
Just stop mate.

 

[tugga]

Would it be worth getting Crameri with one of our later picks purely as insurance?
Let's face it Griffiths is a week to week proposition, Elton is gone, Chol is hopeless and if Jack gets injured, he may be useful on a cheap salary.

 

[tugga]

I heard a little rumour in my left ear Naish is going to another club. It is all a ruse and Tigerland will not even bid for him!!!


I heard he gets the same salary for 2 years regardless of who he plays for and is looking for a change for a while.

I heard, he will play dead and Tigers will pick him up after 2 years for next to nothing as he is a true team player!!!

hahahahahaah!
Don't ever change. I love you.

 

[DontArgue4]

Look forward to reading the complaints about our lack of depth in our KPP stocks being rehashed again if we end up with 2-3 mid/flanker types in the draft given the prevailing thoughts of just take best available at every pick until Naish is bid on.

dude what are you on, seriously lol youre not making any sense whatsoever

if we rate naish as the best available at 17 and he hasnt been bid on yet, why wouldnt we take the 2nd best available at that point? how does picking him up at 17 regardless mean we will get more talls? lol

if the talls we want are got at 17 so we take naish because "thats where we rate him", then those talls are STILL GONE at 20 and 25 so we take 2 guys we rated lower than naish AND our 2nd best available because presumably someone between 17 and 20 will take them since weve use our 17 on naish

honest i dont get your logic at all, sorry mate lol

 

[_RT_]

This still makes no sense mate. If one of the KPPs we rate in the 20s is available at 17, there is no guarantee they will be available at pick 20 or 25. On the other hand, Naish will be guaranteed to be available at pick 20 and/or 25 (or above) if not bidded on before 17.

If you want both, you wait til Naish is bidded on. Simples

So the options are we reach for a KPP we might rank at 23+ with 17 just so we get Naish at a discount or we don't take the KPP but instead take the next best kid after Naish at 17 and wait on a Naish bid, then when that bid does come we find that instead of having added 2 top 25 ranked KPPs we've added 2 midfielder/flanker types in Naish and player X and maybe one KPP.