List Mgmt. 2017 draft thread

[Madison]

Sam Mitchell was famously not drafted for a couple years cos he struggled to get to double figures on the beep test.

He turned out alright.

If he has the work ethic he’ll get the tank. Ever heard of GAJ winning a pre season time trial? Guys like GAJ don’t win time trials, but they have the work ethic.

 

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Here,s your answer.

Unfair, Lennon had a decent tank in the end. He was playing mostly midfield in the VFL, what killed him off though was his lack of defensive accountability.

 

[THE THIN MAN]

Can Richmond afford to have another first round draft selection that is a bust (Lennon, Vickery, Elton, Griffiths)?

Cory Ellis still has to do something of note.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Can Richmond afford to have another first round draft selection that is a bust (Lennon, Vickery, Elton, Griffiths)?

Cory Ellis still has to do something of note.

How do you know though?Any of the kids mentioned around our mark could be busts.Hell even a top 10 could be.

 

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Can Richmond afford to have another first round draft selection that is a bust (Lennon, Vickery, Elton, Griffiths)?

Cory Ellis still has to do something of note.

Elton and Griffiths are second round picks.

We don't need our picks this year to be playing games in 2018. What we need is the players that we pick to be ready to go in 2-4 years time when some older guys move on or are coming to the end of their careers.

 

[THE THIN MAN]

Elton and Griffiths are second round picks.

We don't need our picks this year to be playing games in 2018. What we need is the players that we pick to be ready to go in 2-4 years time when some older guys move on or are coming to the end of their careers.

While I concede Griffiths is not a first round pick, they are high enough to not be speculative selections.

https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/pp-richmond-tigers--todd-elton


https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/pp-richmond-tigers--benjamin-griffiths

 

[Toadvine]

Can Richmond afford to have another first round draft selection that is a bust (Lennon, Vickery, Elton, Griffiths)?

Cory Ellis still has to do something of note.

Every club has multiple busts in the top 30. Even the best recruiting teams like Sydney (Jed Lamb, Dean Towers, Lewis Johnston, Vezpremi) and Adelaide (Doedee, McKernan, Kerridge) have multiple stuff ups over the last 10 years and we are no different.

It's kind of a pointless argument anyway. It's not as if Richmond go in the draft not trying their best to pick the right player for our club.

To answer your question though, Yes. I think we can afford it. If we won another flag next year and two out of our 3 top 30 picks in 2017 were duds I really wouldn't give a f**k.

 

[richoatthedisco]

Unfair, Lennon had a decent tank in the end. He was playing mostly midfield in the VFL, what killed him off though was his lack of defensive accountability.

Incorrect. He was playing almost exclusively forward because his tank was still poor. He was shown up in the finals when the pace picked up and he couldn't get a kick until things slowed down in the second half of games.

 

[Azzleberry]

It's good to see all the media driven Naish "hype" has died off!
Don't think we will be needing to use 17 or 20 on him but will cost us 25

 

[Madison]

Can Richmond afford to have another first round draft selection that is a bust (Lennon, Vickery, Elton, Griffiths)?

Cory Ellis still has to do something of note.

What? We just won a flag.

 

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While I concede Griffiths is not a first round pick, they are high enough to not be speculative selections.
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https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/pp-richmond-tigers--todd-elton

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https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/pp-richmond-tigers--benjamin-griffiths

Semantics on Elton. He was a round 1 pick because he was taken the year GWS had 15 first round picks themselves plus another dozen kids had been removed as priority selections the year before. So in reality Elton was more a pick 40-50 based on the talent already taken ahead of him. Griffiths as has been discussed to death is a player who has had injury curtail his development/ability to deliver on his talent.

Incorrect. He was playing almost exclusively forward because his tank was still poor. He was shown up in the finals when the pace picked up and he couldn't get a kick until things slowed down in the second half of games.

Respectfully disagree, watched him live at least half a dozen times in the VFL play through the middle where he would spend substantial time on the ball. In the finals he was often sat on to prevent him having a major impact. But that's not what I was discussing anyway. What I was talking about is that it is always possible to improve a players tank. If we were to get Hayes I'm confident that we'll get him up to a level needed to see him play as a first ruck in the AFL.

 

[richoatthedisco]

Respectfully disagree, watched him live at least half a dozen times in the VFL play through the middle where he would spend substantial time on the ball. In the finals he was often sat on to prevent him having a major impact. But that's not what I was discussing anyway. What I was talking about is that it is always possible to improve a players tank. If we were to get Hayes I'm confident that we'll get him up to a level needed to see him play as a first ruck in the AFL.

He spent some time on the ball in the first half of the year, bugger all as we got towards finals (Miles, Lloyd, Ballard, Ellis, Wood). In the finals he was sat on??? He's a ****ing forward - he had a defender on him!!

It is possible to improve a player's tank to a degree, but to use the marathon analogy, it is not possible to turn a 3:30 marathoner into a 2:10 runner. Hence Miles falling out of favour. If all it took was hard work, Miles would be a premiership player, but he got overtaken by an injury-plagued first year player with greater aerobic capacity.

On what basis are you confident Hayes' running ability will improve from awful to good enough? Vickery's never did. Soldo is still a long way back.

 

[Bishop]

Interesting reading through the Inside Football draft profiles.
Some names that have garnered some interest on here are rated nowhere near where people on here seem to rate them. Not having a crack at you either Bishop as I know you watch plenty of the kids during the year.

Callum Coleman-Jones - late pick rookie
Nathan Kreuger - late pick rookie
Liam Ryan - Top 25

I've said all year CCJ I wouldn't draft. Kreuger I still like and I'd be willing to take a punt on him if we magically got Pick 25 without a Naish bid. He could be anything. Once he pulls his finger out with some off-field stuff, he can be a very good player.

Ryan is listed as Top 25, because WCE will take them with one of their 400 picks in the 2nd round. Some clubs still wouldn't draft him.

 

[THE THIN MAN]

I am not suggesting to draft this player but as names goes this takes some beating: Brandon Zerk-Thatcher

 

[THE THIN MAN]

Bishop
Is Tom McCartin a worthwhile late pick for us?

 

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He spent some time on the ball in the first half of the year, bugger all as we got towards finals (Miles, Lloyd, Ballard, Ellis, Wood). In the finals he was sat on??? He's a ******* forward - he had a defender on him!!

It is possible to improve a player's tank to a degree, but to use the marathon analogy, it is not possible to turn a 3:30 marathoner into a 2:10 runner. Hence Miles falling out of favour. If all it took was hard work, Miles would be a premiership player, but he got overtaken by an injury-plagued first year player with greater aerobic capacity.

On what basis are you confident Hayes' running ability will improve from awful to good enough? Vickery's never did. Soldo is still a long way back.

Again I respectfully disagree, Lennon spent plenty of time through the middle even during the latter stages of the year. I believe like Miles his lack of defensive accountability more than a lack of a tank is what cost him his career. To Miles' credit he worked on this deficiency and became more accountable as the season wore on, hence him sticking around and the first round pick being put on the scrap heap. Graham overtook him because he is defensively accountable, which is one of the reasons why I picked him as someone we should draft prior to last years draft.

Asfor Hayes again I'm not talking about Hayes becoming a 2.10 marathoner, I'm talking about him becoming an AFL calibre ruckman. As I said anyone can go from not being able to run around the block to being able to run a marathon, what it takes is hard work and dedication. If Hayes can commit to doing the work required then I believe with our improved ability to develop players we will get Hayes to the level required to be a first ruck in the AFL.

 

[Bishop]

Bishop
Is Tom McCartin a worthwhile late pick for us?

Think he'll go in the 2nd round. I wouldn't take him.

 

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For those playing along I've prepared the above spreadsheet showing the breakdown of our list as it stands just over 2 weeks out from the draft. Based on this my list requirements are:

1 KPF 1 KPD 1 Ruck 2 Outside Midfielders

 

[Charlie Pannam]

He spent some time on the ball in the first half of the year, bugger all as we got towards finals (Miles, Lloyd, Ballard, Ellis, Wood). In the finals he was sat on??? He's a ******* forward - he had a defender on him!!

It is possible to improve a player's tank to a degree, but to use the marathon analogy, it is not possible to turn a 3:30 marathoner into a 2:10 runner. Hence Miles falling out of favour. If all it took was hard work, Miles would be a premiership player, but he got overtaken by an injury-plagued first year player with greater aerobic capacity.

On what basis are you confident Hayes' running ability will improve from awful to good enough? Vickery's never did. Soldo is still a long way back.

and its only going to get harder for players that haven't got above average endurance. Interchange rules have made it harder and as the number of i/c per game continue to drop it's going to get even more difficult.

 

[THE_GUN]

Bishop
Is Tom McCartin a worthwhile late pick for us?

I would take him with either #53 or #55 but not our 1st 3 picks

Unfair, Lennon had a decent tank in the end. He was playing mostly midfield in the VFL, what killed him off though was his lack of defensive accountability.

You cant put in what God left out - Character,Brains & Stamina

 

[TigerMoz1973]

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For those playing along I've prepared the above spreadsheet showing the breakdown of our list as it stands just over 2 weeks out from the draft. Based on this my list requirements are:

1 KPF 1 KPD 1 Ruck 2 Outside Midfielders

Where's Griffiths?

 

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Where's Griffiths?

KPF

 

[TigerMoz1973]

KPF

Yep I see... a reasonable 2nd ruck? Perhaps another of that type needed

 

[docko911]

View attachment 435369

For those playing along I've prepared the above spreadsheet showing the breakdown of our list as it stands just over 2 weeks out from the draft. Based on this my list requirements are:

1 KPF 1 KPD 1 Ruck 2 Outside Midfielders

I’d probably have Garthwaite as a KPD and Broad sort of sits in between the two different categories.

But what it does highlight is that we probably need a KPD, a KPF about Riewoldts size, and a 200cm KPF.

Naish, another mid, and the best rookie available.

Sounds good to me

 

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I’d probably have Garthwaite as a KPD and Broad sort of sits in between the two different categories.

But what it does highlight is that we probably need a KPD, a KPF about Riewoldts size, and a 200cm KPF.

Naish, another mid, and the best rookie available.

Sounds good to me

Was tempted to name Garthwaite a KPD, but based it on where the players played most of their games this year. If Garthwaite can get to 90-93kg and grow a couple more cm then I could see him moving into a KPD role.