Emmanuel Macron, President of the French Republic

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The amazing thing is that the candidate that is the continuation of Hollande is even close to winning, although macron does seem less pathetic, but more of a oligarchic globalist. I guess it shows the French resistance to anyone labeled fascist. After all the increasing chaos and terror of the past few years the far right has had the perfect opportunity to thrive. If her movement was entirely new I suspect she may have had more success.
Some people like globalists. I know it's hard for the uneducated to understand. But globalists is a positive term for many. It means peace, freedom, prosperity, respect, intelligence.
 
Oh come on man. RT may have been happy to push their own narrative like any number of other MSM outlets, but there was more than enough genuine dirt to sink Hilary. Email server, cheating in the DNC debate, DNC favouritism, passing out, her comments re: Syria in the second debate, the number of vested interests re: Clinton Foundation, Wall St speeches. This "it was the Russians" s**t is a total re-writing of history.
No one is re-writing any of that stuff. It's more or less largely accepted. The Russian issue is, however, a problem tens of time bigger in magnitude and your failure to recognise this is a seriously poor reflection on either your education or ability to critically think. Or alternatively possibly a positive reflection on how effective the Russian propaganda is.
 

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Some people like globalists. I know it's hard for the uneducated to understand. But globalists is a positive term for many. It means peace, freedom, prosperity, respect, intelligence.

Realists also realise globalism is here, there's no going back to the isolationist, protectionist economies unless you want to end up a third rate backwater.
 
Given trump is a major white collar criminal and into a lot more than cocaine then what is the problem?
The emperor does not require illegal stimulants to be high energy. Dude doesn't even drink or smoke, let alone dabble in hard drugs!
 
Weren't the G20 / "Occupy" protests going on 5-10 years ago conducted by leftists opposing globalisation? Haven't the labor party here traditionally been against globalist policies? Are the left and right flipping, or is it more complicated than that?

Both sides have elements against free trade

The trade union movement.on the left, the farm sector on the right. And both have a sprinkling of "i hate anythibg not us"
 
Weren't the G20 / "Occupy" protests going on 5-10 years ago conducted by leftists opposing globalisation? Haven't the labor party here traditionally been against globalist policies? Are the left and right flipping, or is it more complicated than that?

Surprisingly it's more complicated than that.

There are people that don't like globalization, and that can be driven by fear, there are whole sectors of the job market that are disappearing in some countries due to globalization. Look at manufacturing here for example, these jobs aren't coming back though with or without further globalization. This is something Trump tapped into in his win, but having a real policy to create new industry to replace those lost jobs is hard.

There is also very legitimate anger that there is an unchecked element of globalisation that is harmful, (see bankers, GFC), and that some elites have written the rules to favour themselves and harm those in the middle/lower classes. This is true, and the answer is to provide better protections and prosecution of those that do so. Sadly this is way easier said than done.

Either way though, globalisation is here and its impossible to stuff that genie back in the bottle. Providing a solid legal and ethical framework should be the goal
 
Post-Brexit referendum and the ascension of Trump, France is the next country at risk of a hideous rightward turn.

Brexit was a move to reduce freedom of movement and reduce freedom of trade.
 
It's my understanding that Le Pen lost because she was too right-wing, whether as Macron is more in the centre of politics. Not surprising. France isn't the USA. Expecting her to win is like expecting Pauline Hanson to become our next Prime Minister. I don't think so.
 
It's my understanding that Le Pen lost because she was too right-wing, whether as Macron is more in the centre of politics. Not surprising. France isn't the USA. Expecting her to win is like expecting Pauline Hanson to become our next Prime Minister. I don't think so.

Hmmm...from what I can tell Macron is very much neoliberal - centre-left socially, centre-right (maybe further) economically. Electing him is like electing Hillary Clinton, only that he lacks Hillary's baggage.

Le Pen is a national socialist - her social policies are far-right but IMO her economic views are actually centre-left.

Put simply, I don't much like either of them.
 
Some people like globalists. I know it's hard for the uneducated to understand. But globalists is a positive term for many. It means peace, freedom, prosperity, respect, intelligence.
The poor people like migration for example, less, because they are the ones who have to share suburbs, have thier low skilled jobs taken, are affected by criminal gangs more and see it like the country that can't even help its own poor, giving handouts to foreigners. Rich people/businesses have none of this downside and have more completion in the labour market. Not nessecarily my views but this is an angle you aren't taking.
 
Hmmm...from what I can tell Macron is very much neoliberal - centre-left socially, centre-right (maybe further) economically. Electing him is like electing Hillary Clinton, only that he lacks Hillary's baggage.

Le Pen is a national socialist - her social policies are far-right but IMO her economic views are actually centre-left.

Put simply, I don't much like either of them.

National Socialist? hmm that name has possibilities
 

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No one is re-writing any of that stuff. It's more or less largely accepted. The Russian issue is, however, a problem tens of time bigger in magnitude and your failure to recognise this is a seriously poor reflection on either your education or ability to critically think. Or alternatively possibly a positive reflection on how effective the Russian propaganda is.
Shouldn't it be fairly clear cut, either he was colluding with th Russians or not? If they liked him more and editorialised in his favour and this made such a difference, maybe the US leadership should take this as a cue from the people that they don't want Russia as an adversary. But US media influences elections around the world in a similar way every time. The Wikileaks thing is interesting too, if the hackers a re indeed Russian state it is amusing that they are exporting glasnost in a similar way US exports democracy. But if trump wasn't in on it, it's not really his fault if you ask me.
 
Hmmm...from what I can tell Macron is very much neoliberal - centre-left socially, centre-right (maybe further) economically. Electing him is like electing Hillary Clinton, only that he lacks Hillary's baggage.

Le Pen is a national socialist - her social policies are far-right but IMO her economic views are actually centre-left.

Put simply, I don't much like either of them.
I have heard Macron being compared to Hillary previously as well. Will be interesting to see how France and the US progress. Although I suspect most people are too partisan to compare the 2 fairly.


The poor people like migration for example, less, because they are the ones who have to share suburbs, have thier low skilled jobs taken, are affected by criminal gangs more and see it like the country that can't even help its own poor, giving handouts to foreigners. Rich people/businesses have none of this downside and have more completion in the labour market. Not nessecarily my views but this is an angle you aren't taking.
Hence why I thought globalisation was more of a right wing thing. It provides cheaper labour for those at the top, and more competition for those at the bottom. I've seen left wingers quote the South Park "dey took our jerbz!" lines to mock people concerned about employment. Why you'd want to mock a poor person who is trying to get a job and contribute, I'm not sure.
 
Interestingly, all the "patriots" around the world reckon France has surrendered itself with the result.

It's democracy folks. You can't expect to win all the time.

Interstingly the patriots love each other bu hate each otherse countries, race nationalities, cultures

And its manifesting in UK and US which is a hotch potch of other cultures borrowed or otherwise

"We cant have all these europeans coming over here diluting our Britiish (read Gallic-Viking) culture"
 
An image of disgraceful, extremist, violent right-wingers rioting after Le Pen lost the election.

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Too late for USA but seems they are trying for it not to repeat in France.

Facebook Inc
said on Thursday it suspended 30,000 accounts in France as the social network giant steps up efforts to stop the spread of fake news, misinformation and spam.
The move, which comes 10 days before the first round of a hotly contested French presidential election, is among the most aggressive yet by Facebook to move against accounts that violate its terms of service, rather than simply respond to complaints.

Facebook is under intense pressure in Europe as governments across the continent threaten new laws and fines unless the company moves quickly to remove extremist propaganda or other content that violates local laws. (reut.rs/2oBwHEO).

The pressure on social media sites including Twitter, Google's YouTube and Facebook has intensified in the run-up to the elections in France and Germany.

Facebook already has a program in France to use outside fact-checkers to combat fake news in users' feeds.


Also on Thursday, Facebook took out full-page ads in Germany's best-selling newspapers to educate readers on how to spot fake news.

Interesting story that interweaves hate crime laws and fake news
 
National Socialist? hmm that name has possibilities

Yeah yeah I know. I'm not sure what else I would call her though.

I guess I could have said that electing her would be like electing Bob Katter (she might be a bit to the right economically though).
 
Hence why I thought globalisation was more of a right wing thing. It provides cheaper labour for those at the top, and more competition for those at the bottom. I've seen left wingers quote the South Park "dey took our jerbz!" lines to mock people concerned about employment. Why you'd want to mock a poor person who is trying to get a job and contribute, I'm not sure.

These people would be called neoliberals - fairly unintelligent, prejudiced ones at that. You'll find that they are only leftist in a social sense. They might support gay marriage, be pro-choice and advocate non-traditional relationships, but they also support right-wing economic policies.
 

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