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Prediction 2017 free agency and trading

Discussion in 'Adelaide' started by Captain Morgan, Oct 20, 2016.

Put it out there
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Who do you think the Crows will get during the 2017 trade period?

Poll closed Jul 19, 2017.
  1. Bryce Gibbs

    21.6%
  2. Dustin Martin

    6.3%
  3. Josh Kelly

    1.8%
  4. Brodie Grundy

    5.4%
  5. Jacob Hopper

    9.9%
  6. Tom Rockliff

    46.8%
  7. Another player or players

    13.5%
  8. Organic Growth

    32.4%
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  1. Shaz2012

    Shaz2012 Club Legend

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    Well the point was that we couldnt afford those other stars. So we develop those first rounders and pay them a low salary so that we can afford Fyfe along with the existing players we have (Sloane, Tex, Eddie). I would love 3 first rounders (ours plus one each for JJ and Crouch). That would be great.

    I just wonder how we can tell the rest of our players there is no money to give them a bump up when they come to renew their contracts; while Fyfe is sitting on 14% of the total cap. It sounds good in theory but impossible in practice.
     
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  2. Shaz2012

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    Who are our big earners that are expendable? Ouch. Touchy subject here. Could get me binned if I suggested the wrong name? I would definately bin JJ. Would like to keep B. Crouch. If Gov is going to cost 500k then I could give him up begrudgingly. Who are our big earners? I wouldn't give up Sloane or Eddie. The rest I would consider for Fyfe.
     
  3. Pea Nut

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    Were you not happy when Brad Crouch re-signed ?? He has the potential to be absolutely elite. We just need to see it, hopefully it will be this year. Just because we have seen a couple of lean years from him due to injury, I don't think we should give up. If you are suggesting that we trade two players that we just signed, what would that do to the confidence of the playing group ?? Hard to build a culture and a confidence within the playing group when in the back of their minds they are thinking they could be traded to any club in Australia even if a playing contract is current.
     
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  4. Shaz2012

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    Lol. Absolutely I was happy. I am really excited about him. Dont get me wrong here. I am going through the hypothetical of how you would make way in the salary cap for Fyfe at $1.5m a year. I dont think it is practical and it could damage the moral of the whole squad. But I am just talking about how you would do that in theory. I picked JJ and Brad because I know they are on big coin. Thats all. I also suggested Gov because its being mentioned that he will coat 500k from next year onward.

    But practically speaking I dont think you can keep together a premiership contending squad if one player earns 14% of the wage cap.

    Dont worry - love Brad Crouch.
     
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  5. Pea Nut

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    Ah ok. Completely agree. Unless the salary cap goes up substantially, paying one player that much doesn't make any sense. All of the teams that have had extended success were vocal about their players wanting to stay together to achieve success. Essentially accepting unders pay wise for the greater good of the team. Surely two mids at $750K have a much greater ceiling than one player at $1.5 mil.
     
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  6. Ramify

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    JJ in a heartbeat, but can we keep Crouch and bundle CEY,Wigg and Dmac in together as a sweetner?

    Despite his poor run of injury Im still of the opinion Crouch could become the games bast Midfielder if he gets his body right.

    Would still rather 2x$750000 players(can get some seriously good young players for that coin).I Dont think paying anyone that percentage of your salary cap is good for team morale,unity or evenness of spread and despite Fyfes insane talent I think he will start looking more and more like the Carlton version of Judd after what his body has gone through recently.
     
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  7. marty36

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    Reckon Martin would be worth $1 million and he is superb easily top 3 midfielders last year' is equivelant if not better than sloane has more ability to break away is very evasive. With sloane and Martin in the same team, we become like Geelong if not better if we retain both Crouchs. That is where I would like to see the mid sit. Surely Adelaide will have learnt from not getting Gibbs and just thinking about that mid is insane they seriously need to go hard at him
     
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  8. The Sloane Ranger

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    It's not as simple as that, firstly Fyke would want more than 5 years and you also need to factor in money you need to set aside for the likes of Cameron, Milera, Lever, Gallucci, Doedee, Himmelberg, Poholke assuming they develop as planned

    IMO no player under the current salary cap regulations is worth $1.5M a year, ultimately your list mgt will be impacted
     
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    Martin is the player you would want as it will be around $1 Million, as for the youngsters you mentioned, what if they dont develop, we are in a premiership opportunity at the moment if we need to spend the $$ to grab one we would be silly not to, the forward line we have is the best in the comp lets capatilize on it, Fyfe would hurt the cap but if it grabs us a flag it would be worth it.

    However $1.5 million would mean off loading players as it would at every club as if you must pay 95% of the cap, so not one club has the room to fit Fyfe in freo are probably already paying $600-$700 so need to find the least. Even St kilda would struggle although Reiwoldt is finishing soon he would be on the Vets list so not all his wage is included
     
  10. 1970crow

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    Overpaying to "buy out" a contract is stupidity. You can't complain about not negotiating harder when selling Danger if you're going to turn around and be happy to overpay when purchasing. Especially when the seller is adding a premium purely due to existing contract length.
     
  11. marty36

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    Freo would be in a better position than anyone to pay the salary, teams must pay 95% of their cap at present if the indications of 1.5 are correct and freo would already be paying him a fair bit the amount they need to find is achevable. where as another club need to find the full amount and should only really have $500,000 if they are at the bottom end of their cap of 95%, but who is at that
     

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  12. TexForPM

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    CBA?
     
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    As a richmond supporter quite rightly said, who in their right mind we agree to anything before the EA is finalised
     
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    Agreed, also there's probably significant variability yet in McGoverns contract depending ou how he performs, at present he's a talented player with potential who's had a reasonable first year, issue is that probably only buys you a $250-350k a year contract for 2-3 years. If he comes out and makes good on his potential starring in the first 3 weeks suddenly he's looking at $500k+ with 3+ years. Where players like Tippett, Danger, Dustin Martin etc aren't going to be able to buy much in terms of excess contract because they were/are pretty much at their peak and will be offered top dollar anyway.

    No point getting too worked up with McGovern yet, he's certainly a risk, but at the same time, his position and our depth is such that we could probably afford to lose him assuming we got decent value in return.
     
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    I've been saying it for probably 18 months now, Smith is our high-ender we can afford to move on. Probably not on Sloane/Tex money at the moment of course, but would be looking at $500+ comfortably on his next contract I would have thought. Would attract decent value in a trade.

    JJ would have been a good option too, but we kind of closed that option down with the 5 year deal.
     
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  18. Shaz2012

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    Yeah. Smith would be a good shout if we went fown that road. But 1.5m is just not doable. New contracts have to be agreed every year and one player just impacts that ability to keep the squad together too much.

    I would still move on JJ first. Even though he has only just signed up he is the one player that seems to really get free agency and player movement. Its really not a big deal and moving to any city in Australia that has a franchise should be on the cards for every single player.
     
  19. TexForPM

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    If Fyfe wants 1.5 crows should walk away. He needs to realistic and if he wants a flag he would know most clubs who in contention won't pay that. That's almost double what danger would be on
     
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    I dunno if Jarryd Lyons is the best example of that seeing he was forced out.
     
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    Couldn't agree more. I reckon Fyfe's peak time to move and command a great salary was over a year ago. Now, I'm worried that he will decline following his last year's history of injury. He's no guarantee, IMO.
     
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    Id rather throw the cool mil' at cleanskins the likes of the Bont, Cripps or Petrecca. Guys that havent quite hit their straps but will do in the next 1-3 years, but dont quite demand that kind of coin just yet(Bont prolly does).

    Martin Id pay 850k tops on the books,but set him up with the local chapter and buy him Focarellis old parlour on Hindley st off the books.
     
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    Agree with this.

    Reckon he'll stay anyway. Freo will give him enough to stay, and like someone already said no team in contention is going near 1.5M.
     
  24. Danger in Texas

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    So Kane just said Cripps to Freo could be happening

    No chance lol
     
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  25. Pea Nut

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    Jamie Cripps maybe ??
     
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