2017 Game Plan

[Kingfish73]

Having a legit and experienced forward coach might help!

 

[Ian Jackson]

The thing that bugged me last year the most was the lack of team space creation across the whole field. Running to space, off ball blocks, smart movement at stoppages, etc. Getting this right means players kick to leads and/or advantage, skills improve (as kicks are easier/ more time) running becomes a more effective weapon. Not doing this results in kicking to the same spot at kickins, also forward 50 entries, poor skills and just looking sloppy as we were too rushed...


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Agreed

 

[noot]

Having a legit and experienced forward coach might help!

is there one available ? Anywhere!! Somewhere ?

 

[Papa G]

I want Larry Bird.

 

[BillyW]

A complete lack of a short passing, uncontested possession game that forces opposition defenses that are sitting back on our forwards to move their zone up to press passing outlets.

Going back to the NFL as an example: the best team in the NFC, the Dallas Cowboys, know the importance of playing an offense that not only uses rushing (running the ball), which is their strength...but they also know the importance of adding a short passing game to the offense to 'keep the chains moving' and continually get first downs. That's why although they are only 23rd for passing yards, they are 4th for first downs.

That's what we need to add - that short game - the 20m sideways kick to runners out of a stoppage that you constantly see West Coast pull against us and you wonder 'How the **** did that guy get free?!' I don't have an issue with lateral movement as long as it's done with purpose and not hesitation. As soon as you hesitate, the option gets closed and you end up with that stop start football we've seen over the past two years.

It's rock-paper-scissors. Running beats short passing (hence why we consistently dominate Hawthorn), short passing beats contested possession (hence why Hawthorn won three premierships in a row) and contested possession beats running (hence why we struggle against pretty much any side that pressures us, but especially Sydney).

Contested possession game is easy to add. That's literally intent and will to win the ball. It's the rock of our game (and everyone throws rock first...which is probably why Hawthorn did so well).

Scissors, naturally, is the cutting through defense that a running game brings to the table. Sharp, quick, but also fragile.

Paper - that's the blanket, across the ground short passing game that makes it seem like there are 30 players on the field instead of 18, because there's always someone open.

At the moment, it's like we have carpal tunnel syndrome. But we're fixing it.

Great post......

Also doesn't give credit for the fact that Ryder was first ruck in those games instead of Lobbe. Which might have had a little bit more to do with the methodical, decisive ball movement through winning clean clearances then the playing of another tall in the forward line. And why when we didn't have Ryder rucking in 2016 it turned back to shit again.

The return of Ryder will help this year but I prefer him at CHF.....a return to form of Lobbe will be the biggest shot in the arm for us!

We traded for Dixon because he fell in our laps, but I think most of us were hopeful that the more direct style we started to use when we had adequate marking targets up forward would continue now that we had a genuine gorilla marking tall.

It didn't.



Lobbe was back splitting the ruck duties 50/50 with Ryder in rounds 22 and 23.

While I completely agree that playing Ryder as a sole ruck improves our ball movement overall, he's mainly useful at stoppages (and also as the only player in our team capable of regularly taking a contested mark under a high ball). I'm talking about taking the ball from defence to attack and entering the forward 50. In 2016, we could stream out of a stoppage and have a completely uncontested kick from 70 and still not manage to find a target.

With a proper marking target up forward, we started to kick direct to the square instead of trying to hit Schulz up leading to the boundary for every forward entry. That should have continued with Dixon but the way we set up wasn't good enough and we didn't provide him with enough support, apart from when Howard was in the side.

We need to start to control the corridor in our forward 50. The only time we've looked like doing that on a regular basis over the past few years is when we've picked players capable of doing so.

As above Ryder forward should help along with an inform Lobbe.....we need to find a better balance between quicker (far quicker) ball movement from defense with time to hit decent forward options....some of Lobbes troubles I attribute to the constant slow switching of play we did, forcing him to run back and forth across the ground to be the "down the line tall option leaving him knackered!

Janus' rock-paper-scissors thing actually makes a lot of sense.

My simple analysis would be that each requires a different skill set - i.e, rock requires intent, paper requires skill, scissors requires fitness/speed/athleticism.

Do we have the skill across the board to execute paper to a level required to beat teams like Sydney? Highly questionable.

IMO the biggest difference and something all those disciplines require is......confidence.
If we find that again we're a chance to play finals once more.....

 

[Zakk Wylde]

There'll never be an in form Lobbe again.

Our Rolls Royce ruckman will play 85% in the ruck, not CHF.

 

[Janus]

Primary (80% of game)

FB Austin CHB Trengove R Ryder CHF Westhoff FF Dixon

Secondary (20% of game)

FB Austin CHB Westhoff R Trengove CHF Ryder FF Dixon

Lobbe shouldn't be anywhere near this side until he is competent enough to play either CHB or CHF to an adequate level (and by adequate, it simply means him playing the position doesn't have a negative effect).

 

[Smithy7]

Primary (80% of game)

FB Austin CHB Trengove R Ryder CHF Westhoff FF Dixon

Secondary (20% of game)

FB Austin CHB Westhoff R Trengove CHF Ryder FF Dixon

Lobbe shouldn't be anywhere near this side until he is competent enough to play either CHB or CHF to an adequate level (and by adequate, it simply means him playing the position doesn't have a negative effect).

CHB or CHF .. geez don't think he will ever play those positions. Ruck or nothing.
Have been watching matches 2014-15 and all he can do is lumber about. Players go past him at twice the speed.

 

[Janus]

CHB or CHF .. geez don't think he will ever play those positions. Ruck or nothing.
Have been watching matches 2014-15 and all he can do is lumber about. Players go past him at twice the speed.

Hence why he'll be nowhere near the side

 

[BillyW]

Hence why he'll be nowhere near the side

I hope you're wrong as he brings a much more balance to our side if up and going

I was going to do a "Best 22" thread but I'm not allowed apparently so I'll drop this in here..............

Was reading the AFL.com articles regarding each team’s potential line ups and rankings. I thought that the write ups were fair but Ports line up is not quite as I see it…….so I thought I would have a crack and see what the consensus was.

AFL.com line up-

B: Darcy Byrne-Jones, Tom Jonas, Jasper Pittard
HB: Hamish Hartlett, Jack Hombsch, Matthew Broadbent
C: Brad Ebert, Ollie Wines, Jared Polec
HF: Chad Wingard, Justin Westhoff, Aaron Young
F: Jarman Impey, Charlie Dixon, Jackson Trengove
Foll: Patrick Ryder, Travis Boak, Robbie Gray
I/C: Brendon Ah Chee, Nathan Krakouer, Sam Powell-Pepper, Matthew White

Mine-

B: Darcy Byrne-Jones, Jack Hombsch , Jasper Pittard
HB: Hamish Hartlett, Jackson Trengove , Matthew Broadbent
C: Brad Ebert, Ollie Wines, Jared Polec
HF: , Justin Westhoff, Patrick Ryder , Jarman Impey
F: Aaron Young, Charlie Dixon, Chad Wingard
Foll: Matthew Lobbe , Travis Boak, Robbie Gray
I/C: Tom Jonas, Nathan Krakouer, Sam Powell-Pepper, Matthew White

Comments-

Surely Trengrove goes back to CHB a position he made his own before being required to ruck, sitting him a forward pocket seems a waste. I think Hombsh is better suited to full back also.

Wingard goes back to a forward pocket but can roam further if he likes. And I’d swap Impey to a flank to take attacking half back flankers with Young closer to goal.

The one move some Port fans here wont like is bringing in Lobbe as first ruck , hoping he will bring his A game (also hoping slow switches of play is removed from our game so he doesn’t get flogged out running back and forth across the ground trying to be the down the line option!) and Ryder to CHF…..IMO we are better with Ryder forward…in fact my game plan would consist of 3 talls forward with one a mobile type (Hoff). So if for whatever reasons this particular move is failing then Eddy or another tall is brought in.

Jonas goes to bench as tall cover in case of need, with Ah Chee out.

Looking forward to fighting it out with 13 other teams for the bottom 4 spots in the 8!

 

[Janus]

I hope you're wrong as he brings a much more balance to our side if up and going

I was going to do a "Best 22" thread but I'm not allowed apparently so I'll drop this in here..............

Was reading the AFL.com articles regarding each team’s potential line ups and rankings. I thought that the write ups were fair but Ports line up is not quite as I see it…….so I thought I would have a crack and see what the consensus was.

AFL.com line up-

B: Darcy Byrne-Jones, Tom Jonas, Jasper Pittard
HB: Hamish Hartlett, Jack Hombsch, Matthew Broadbent
C: Brad Ebert, Ollie Wines, Jared Polec
HF: Chad Wingard, Justin Westhoff, Aaron Young
F: Jarman Impey, Charlie Dixon, Jackson Trengove
Foll: Patrick Ryder, Travis Boak, Robbie Gray
I/C: Brendon Ah Chee, Nathan Krakouer, Sam Powell-Pepper, Matthew White

Mine-

B: Darcy Byrne-Jones, Jack Hombsch , Jasper Pittard
HB: Hamish Hartlett, Jackson Trengove , Matthew Broadbent
C: Brad Ebert, Ollie Wines, Jared Polec
HF: , Justin Westhoff, Patrick Ryder , Jarman Impey
F: Aaron Young, Charlie Dixon, Chad Wingard
Foll: Matthew Lobbe , Travis Boak, Robbie Gray
I/C: Tom Jonas, Nathan Krakouer, Sam Powell-Pepper, Matthew White

Comments-

Surely Trengrove goes back to CHB a position he made his own before being required to ruck, sitting him a forward pocket seems a waste. I think Hombsh is better suited to full back also.

Wingard goes back to a forward pocket but can roam further if he likes. And I’d swap Impey to a flank to take attacking half back flankers with Young closer to goal.

The one move some Port fans here wont like is bringing in Lobbe as first ruck , hoping he will bring his A game (also hoping slow switches of play is removed from our game so he doesn’t get flogged out running back and forth across the ground trying to be the down the line option!) and Ryder to CHF…..IMO we are better with Ryder forward…in fact my game plan would consist of 3 talls forward with one a mobile type (Hoff). So if for whatever reasons this particular move is failing then Eddy or another tall is brought in.

Jonas goes to bench as tall cover in case of need, with Ah Chee out.

Looking forward to fighting it out with 13 other teams for the bottom 4 spots in the 8!

There's already a 'Best 22' thread, that's why

https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/the-evolution-of-your-best-22-for-2017.1143147/

 

[BillyW]

There's already a 'Best 22' thread, that's why

https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/the-evolution-of-your-best-22-for-2017.1143147/

Thanks.......fumbling my way around ATM....next I'll find out hos to do a signature!

 

[Garibaldi Red]

Thanks.......fumbling my way around ATM....next I'll find out hos to do a signature!

Learn hos (sic) to spell first .



There are plenty of Grammar Nazis around

 

[BillyW]

Learn hos (sic) to spell first .

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There are plenty of Grammar Nazis around

That's a typing error.....maybe a closer look on final edit!
Thanks four the heads up!

 

[Far Kern]

The return of Ryder will help this year but I prefer him at CHF.....a return to form of Lobbe will be the biggest shot in the arm for us!

Hi Matthew. How do you find training in this heat? One hour early in the morning and I'm ****ed, I don't know how you do it.

 

[Pedro59]

I hope you're wrong as he brings a much more balance to our side if up and going

I was going to do a "Best 22" thread but I'm not allowed apparently so I'll drop this in here..............

Was reading the AFL.com articles regarding each team’s potential line ups and rankings. I thought that the write ups were fair but Ports line up is not quite as I see it…….so I thought I would have a crack and see what the consensus was.

AFL.com line up-

B: Darcy Byrne-Jones, Tom Jonas, Jasper Pittard
HB: Hamish Hartlett, Jack Hombsch, Matthew Broadbent
C: Brad Ebert, Ollie Wines, Jared Polec
HF: Chad Wingard, Justin Westhoff, Aaron Young
F: Jarman Impey, Charlie Dixon, Jackson Trengove
Foll: Patrick Ryder, Travis Boak, Robbie Gray
I/C: Brendon Ah Chee, Nathan Krakouer, Sam Powell-Pepper, Matthew White

Mine-

B: Darcy Byrne-Jones, Jack Hombsch , Jasper Pittard
HB: Hamish Hartlett, Jackson Trengove , Matthew Broadbent
C: Brad Ebert, Ollie Wines, Jared Polec
HF: , Justin Westhoff, Patrick Ryder , Jarman Impey
F: Aaron Young, Charlie Dixon, Chad Wingard
Foll: Matthew Lobbe , Travis Boak, Robbie Gray
I/C: Tom Jonas, Nathan Krakouer, Sam Powell-Pepper, Matthew White

Comments-

Surely Trengrove goes back to CHB a position he made his own before being required to ruck, sitting him a forward pocket seems a waste. I think Hombsh is better suited to full back also.

Wingard goes back to a forward pocket but can roam further if he likes. And I’d swap Impey to a flank to take attacking half back flankers with Young closer to goal.

The one move some Port fans here wont like is bringing in Lobbe as first ruck , hoping he will bring his A game (also hoping slow switches of play is removed from our game so he doesn’t get flogged out running back and forth across the ground trying to be the down the line option!) and Ryder to CHF…..IMO we are better with Ryder forward…in fact my game plan would consist of 3 talls forward with one a mobile type (Hoff). So if for whatever reasons this particular move is failing then Eddy or another tall is brought in.

Jonas goes to bench as tall cover in case of need, with Ah Chee out.

Looking forward to fighting it out with 13 other teams for the bottom 4 spots in the 8!

I think also that Lobbe is done

As far as the ' down the line option'

Hopefully Westhoff and Ryder and some sort of tactics can help here because this is an area that we totally suck in and is a great momentum killer

As a supporter it is unreal to see a successful defence mop up or whatever or their forward pressurised to miss the goal....
....and for whatever reason watching 90% of our kick outs from defence come screaming back over our heads to their goaline.

Then I watch other teams and their kick outs are mostly marked on the wings and onto the F50 they go

 

[Visenfest]

If Lobbe is going to fit back into the first 22, he needs to improve:

1. His ability to tap to the advantage of our mids;
2. His tackling pressure at stoppages (this was a strength in 2014); and
3. His marking ability, so that he can be a viable target from kick-ins and when resting up forward.

At the moment he offers none of those things, so is nowhere near best 22.

 

[BillyW]

Hi Matthew. How do you find training in this heat? One hour early in the morning and I'm stuffed, I don't know how you do it.

lol......I'm doing everything I can to get back my 2013/14 form....make or break for me this year (and Kenny!)

 

[Far Kern]

lol......I'm doing everything I can to get back my 2013/14 form....make or break for me this year (and Kenny!)

Ha ha. Welcome aboard. No pressure, but I hope you're aware that you have extremely high standards to live up to. Last year's Rookie Class (well me, really) was exceptional and will be watching closely.

 

[BillyW]

If Lobbe is going to fit back into the first 22, he needs to improve:

1. His ability to tap to the advantage of our mids;
2. His tackling pressure at stoppages (this was a strength in 2014); and
3. His marking ability, so that he can be a viable target from kick-ins and when resting up forward.

At the moment he offers none of those things, so is nowhere near best 22.

Agree.....but I would give him the chance to prove these skills in the AFL to start with...Interestingly his Bio points to him being a mobile forward, strong overhead and a good kick at goal...........

Hope he brings it!

 

[BillyW]

Ha ha. Welcome aboard. No pressure, but I hope you're aware that you have extremely high standards to live up to. Last year's Rookie Class (well me, really) was exceptional and will be watching closely.

hahaha.......I'll see what I can do.....don't expect 5000+ posts out of me through!

 

[PatientMental]

If Lobbe is going to fit back into the first 22, he needs to improve:

1. His ability to tap to the advantage of our mids;
2. His tackling pressure at stoppages (this was a strength in 2014); and
3. His marking ability, so that he can be a viable target from kick-ins and when resting up forward.

At the moment he offers none of those things, so is nowhere near best 22.

dont forget:
4. Ability to find the ball.
5. Ability to use the ball.
6. Ability to football.

None of which he is capable of.

 

[Far Kern]

dont forget:
4. Ability to find the ball.
5. Ability to use the ball.
6. Ability to football.

None of which he is capable of.

7. Not being a witches hat.

It would be awesome for us if he could really earn his spot back though.

 

[BillyW]

dont forget:
4. Ability to find the ball.
5. Ability to use the ball.
6. Ability to football.

None of which he is capable of.

I thought his ability to football was pretty good in 2014 and he finished top 10 in the B & F in 2013 also......
He's not alone in having 2 bad years.......he just stood out more than others but IMO he didn't cost us games so I'm prepared to give him another shot but he has to bring it straight away!!

 

[PatientMental]

he just stood out more than others but IMO he didn't cost us games

That's true. if you ignore
the last 2 geelong games where he got destroyed in the ruck,
2015 western bulldogs game at etihad where he had 2 touches for the entire game,
the 2016 game against Melbourne where he had 16 hitouts to max gawns 16 disposal, 6 mark, 47 hitout bog performance in round 21 this year

There's no doubt more games that he's cost us with his inability to perform a role.