2017 Ladder Predictions

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Every year you argue about ladder predictions like there's a definitive finishing order and you're the only one who has rubbed the crystal ball and seen it.

Let people make their predictions without declaring where they need to place teams.
Good post, I agree

But what happened here...

It will get very ugly for the Hawks- basically sold this and next years draft for O'Meara.


1: GWS
2: Bulldogs
3: West Coast
4: Geelong
5: Adelaide
6: Gold Coast
7: Essendon
8: St Kilda
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9: Melbourne
10: Collingwood
11: Port Adel
12: Richmond
13: Sydney
14: North Melb
15: Hawthorn
16: Carlton
17: Freo
18: Brisbane
Looks like someone thinks the Hawks won't be so good. But hey, that's ok, let's just let people make their predictions without anyone declaring where they need to place teams.

nek minnut

Hawthorn debuted 7 youngsters in 2016, and will still have 12 triple premiership players available for the best 22 in 2017.

J.Roughead
T.Mitchell
J.O'Meara
T.Vickery

That's some handy additions in amongst the youngsters who will be pushing for even more opportunity.
But wait, there's more.

And they've been replaced by two mids with 10+ years ahead of them, so let's not forget that T.Mitchell and O'Meara are both seriously good players(early reports on O'Meara are very positive).

The "flattered by close wins" argument is a really easy call to make in hindsight when Hawthorn don't become the premiers, but those wins were still very good examples of a great side doing everything right in crucial moments.

Hawthorn lost to the eventual Premiers by 1pt more than the runners up did on the big day. Do we say Sydney's close wins against Carlton, North and Brisbane flattered them? No, of course we don't.


People couldn't get their head around Clarkson's attitude towards the contested ball numbers, but even during that final against the Dogs his side continued to ignore the contested ball numbers and open up a 4 goal lead halfway through the second quarter. Dogs momentum late in games was ultimately too much for a number of sides.
Worth noting that had Isaac Smith kicked truly against the Cats, the 52 contested possession differential would've been laughed at.

Regardless, Clarkson knows the contested ball numbers have to improve and I have little doubt that they will.

As much as people may want it to be the case Hawthorn just aren't going to free fall down the ladder when Clarkson is still in charge and has so much talent at his disposal.
All in the space of a couple of pages, this is why bf is such a fun place
 

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Good post, I agree

But what happened here...



Looks like someone thinks the Hawks won't be so good. But hey, that's ok, let's just let people make their predictions without anyone declaring where they need to place teams.

nek minnut



But wait, there's more.



All in the space of a couple of pages, this is why bf is such a fun place
Debating whether Hawthorn "sold their soul" and will free fall to 15th isn't the same as declaring definitive finishing positions year after year and calling predictions "wrong" as that poster has done for as long as I can remember.

I mean, other than completely missing the context, you've got a valid point.
 

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Debating whether Hawthorn "sold their soul" and will free fall to 15th isn't the same as declaring definitive finishing positions year after year and calling predictions "wrong" as that poster has done for as long as I can remember.

I mean, other than completely missing the context, you've got a valid point.
So? You had a go at someone else for doing exactly the same thing. It's just his opinion posted in a thread about ladder predictions. No need to get so upset about what he posted, especially after your previous comments aimed at others.

You are so predictable
 

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So? You had a go at someone else for doing exactly the same thing. It's just his opinion posted in a thread about ladder predictions. No need to get so upset about what he posted, especially after your previous comments aimed at others.

You are so predictable
How are you this poor at understanding context?
 

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Huh! melbourne defending the idea of defending one's team.. predictable or not.. fingers are pointing at everyone just to screw sympathy from everyone..
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Huh! melbourne defending the idea of defending one's team.. predictable or not.. fingers are pointing at everyone just to screw sympathy from everyone..
fire walking is required for all players...
You missed the point, i think he was wrong about Hawthorn, I'm expecting them to be close to top 4.

Try reading the post again champ
 

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How are you this poor at understanding context?

Rubbish, you're a hypcocrite. I think he's wrong but it's still just his opinion which is exactly what this thread is for. You had a go at someone else who did exactly the same thing you did. It's hilarious because you can't see it and refuse to admit that you're wrong.

You're a hypcrite
 

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You missed the point, i think he was wrong about Hawthorn, I'm expecting them to be close to top 4.

Try reading the post again champ
ok well it is perhaps being influenced by fellow hawks that gives me a higher than high rating to chuck a wobbly... lol

some things can be misinterpreted without knowing given the state of the nation...
 

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Rubbish, you're a hypcocrite. I think he's wrong but it's still just his opinion which is exactly what this thread is for. You had a go at someone else who did exactly the same thing you did. It's hilarious because you can't see it and refuse to admit that you're wrong.

You're a hypcrite
Why are you always so upset?

I haven't told anyone their prediction is wrong, nor have I stated "Freo will finish 8th" as a close-ended statement of fact like the poster in question does year after year.

I made reference to a comment about Hawthorn selling their soul.

You can't see the difference because you want to point score. Have fun with that.
 
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I skip over anyone's ladders that don't have GWS and the Bulldogs as the top two.

1. GWS
2. Bulldogs
3. Adelaide
4. Sydney
5. St.Kilda
6. West Coast
7. Fremantle
8. Melbourne
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9. Hawthorn
10. Collingwood
11. Geelong
12. Gold Coast
13. Essendon
14. Port Adelaide
15. Richmond
16. Carlton
17. North Melbourne
18. Brisbane
 
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I skip over anyone's ladders that don't have GWS and the Bulldogs as the top two.

1. GWS
2. Bulldogs
3. Adelaide
4. Sydney
5. St.Kilda
6. West Coast
7. Fremantle
8. Melbourne
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9. Hawthorn
10. Collingwood
11. Geelong
12. Gold Coast
13. Essendon
14. Port Adelaide
16. Richmond
17. Carlton
18. North Melbourne
stupidity I will allow when you are probably up to your fourth christmas party and can't see straight...
so this will remain in the half arsed bin and will only trawl again when the games are done an dusted.

smile you are on camera with a bong in your snout and heavy cheeks with rouge you can't chuck..

everything I say here is just fabulation... fabulous...
 
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stupidity I will allow when you are probably up to your fourth christmas party and can't see straight...
so this will remain in the half arsed bin and will only trawl again when the games are done an dusted.

smile you are on camera with a bong in your snout and heavy cheeks with rouge you can't chuck..

everything I say here is just fabulation... fabulous...
I like your style. It seems as though your not impressed with hawks at 9?
 

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I like your style. It seems as though your not impressed with hawks at 9?
hmm i like to express my utter enthusiasm for my club when ever I can... it comes across as either belligerent, obese, utterly ridiculous,
or even terminally defective.. this is just the beginning. it can go on... and on... and ....
 
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hmm i like to express my utter enthusiasm for my club when ever I can... it comes across as either belligerent, obese, utterly ridiculous,
or even terminally defective.. this is just the beginning. it can go on... and on... and ....
Well don't stop now. How terminally defective and obese did it feel when Mitchell and Lewis left for peanuts?
 

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Bris only run 2nd to ess posters in the over rating their team in the off season. 2016 thread is proof.
It's amazing how great players become after a year off. Anything less than Hooker flying through the round 1 banner in a cape and it will be a let down.
 

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I skip over anyone's ladders that don't have GWS and the Bulldogs as the top two.

1. GWS
2. Bulldogs
3. Adelaide
4. Sydney
5. St.Kilda
6. West Coast
7. Fremantle
8. Melbourne
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9. Hawthorn
10. Collingwood
11. Geelong
12. Gold Coast
13. Essendon
14. Port Adelaide
16. Richmond
17. Carlton
18. North Melbourne
You missed Brisbane, do you have them at your vacant 15th spot on the ladder?
 

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Aside from the 6-day breaks party of it, they got a very accomodating draw I reckon. Only 4 interstate games against teams who are playing in their home state/on their home ground (with one of those being North in Tassie) and no game in Geelong, so if they're any good and don't get hit too hard by injuries they really ought to make it IMO.
6 day breaks are a killer. Especially back to back.
 
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I skip over anyone's ladders that don't have GWS and the Bulldogs as the top two.

1. GWS
2. Bulldogs
3. Adelaide
4. Sydney
5. St.Kilda
6. West Coast
7. Fremantle
8. Melbourne
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9. Hawthorn
10. Collingwood
11. Geelong
12. Gold Coast
13. Essendon
14. Port Adelaide
16. Richmond
17. Carlton
18. North Melbourne
I skip over anyone's ladder that has Freo above Hawthorn next year.
 

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and got 2 gun players and will have the option of using Vickery and it is looks likely Roughy as tall targets we were desperately missing last year.
You're suggesting that if everything goes right for the Hawks then you'll be fine. But you have to admit that there's at least a CHANCE that you'll go down the ladder?
 
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You're suggesting that if everything goes right for the Hawks then you'll be fine. But you have to admit that there's at least a CHANCE that you'll go down the ladder?
yeah there is a chance. Is that what you are after. But even if we drop off by the tune of 6 games, and Freo improve by the tune of 6 games, they still don't finish above Hawthorn.
 

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Why are you always so upset?

I haven't told anyone their prediction is wrong, nor have I stated "Freo will finish 8th" as a close-ended statement of fact like the poster in question does year after year.

I made reference to a comment about Hawthorn selling their soul.

You can't see the difference because you want to point score. Have fun with that.
You seem to argue a lot, why do you take it so badly? First you have a go at someone and then you do exactly the same thing.

You can't see the difference because you refuse to admit that you're wrong, it's hilarious watching you try to argue the point. Post after post, you just can't let it go.

That guy made a prediction, he didn't mention anything about Hawthorn 'selling their soul', he pointed out a fact. Why do you try to twist his words to suit your argument? He stated that Hawthorn traded out two years worth of high picks, which is absolutely accurate.
 

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6 day breaks are a killer. Especially back to back.
Yeah Melbourne will probably struggle to win during that period of multiple consecutive 6-day breaks, but the latter two are probably games they don't "have to win" anyway, as they are a couple of the hardest looking matches (from memory, West Coast in Perth and Sydney at Etihad) in their draw and games that they can lose and not have it worry them too much.
 

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Its laughable really! think we will only miss boomer and wells and to be honest we had better years without wells previously! cant wait to see what next year holds and i cant see us dropping away as many believe. we missed over 180 games through injuries last year and with something like 15 or 16 games where we had an in game injury!
No one on here is interested in facts and research, it ruins their off-the-cuff uneducated statements in regards to North. Apparently we were solely reliant on Boomer and Wells last season, Petrie was our only key forward, we have traded away all our early draft picks over the last few years for Waite and Higgins and are now we are left with 22 inexperienced kids to play every week. It is because of these reasons we will be bottom 4 this year.
 
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