Analysis 2017 List Management Discussion - Part 3

Discussion in 'Carlton' started by zeeCFC, Sep 10, 2017.

Put it out there
  1. ParapMarkets

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    No to Sam Gibson for me. 75% of his disposals are uncontested, his efficiency for someone who plays so much on the outside is terrible. I'd rather give a game to one of our kids. Great runner and knows how to find it but there's a reason NM, a team trying to regenerate like us, don't want him.
     
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  2. Gingerbread man

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    I'm all for taking pick 3 to the draft, but assuming setterfield is still tracking well and SOS obviously being a fan this is the most intriguing trade idea I have read on the board, if you remove us receiving pick 23 I think it makes for a very fair trade.
     
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  3. reubsblues

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    Setterfield was a passionate essendope supporter growing up, do not want!
     
  4. HavUEvaSeenTheRain

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    I think we would have to send a pick around 23 instead of them for them to even consider it.
    IMO Setterfield is worth around pick 3 and Kennedy 23
     
  5. BrisbaneCFC

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    Don't think it matters at all.
     
  6. reubsblues

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    I know i just hate the fact he supported them flogs
     
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  7. GapInIkonPark

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    I'd take16 and 18.
    Offer 18 for Kennedy and take 16 to the draft (along with pick 3, etc).
     
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    Despite rating Constable and Cerra slightly ahead of Dow, i agree

    Either that, or adding pace elsewhere
     
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    Kouta was a mad pies man
    Treloar was a blues man.
    Things change setterfield will learn the folly of his way.
     
  10. Juddernaut08

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    Why is Setterfield being discussed. Not rumoured to be avail and is contracted. May as well discuss what we would trade for Jeremy Cameron
     
  11. footyfan78

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    there are no other teams worthy
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    Silly season is just silly.
     
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  12. Soapy V

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    We won’t be paying that for Kennedy
     
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  13. Soapy V

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    I wouldn’t use those picks on a KPF. 3, 16,18 will get three gun young runners. Make a big difference to our list

    If Gibbs goes I’d want 10, a young player and a 3rd Pick. We still need a lot of young talent and draft picks
     
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    I've only seen the youtube highlights. Haven't seen any live footage this year.
     
  15. Soapy V

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    Couldn’t agree more. Kennedy plus another good player and more picks. It’s the best way

    This year we will add another 10-12 talented young players to our list which already has a lot of young talent.

    Have a look at our list after the rookie draft. It will look very different and even more exciting than it does now

    All good
     
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    Same.
     
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    This is what i'd do.
    3 was only going to be used on Kelly
     
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    What's the deal with Cat B rookies and the quota from Ireland (thought it was limited at 1 per club now?) but STK nabbed 2 recently from afl.com.au, unless 1 was the rookie list or you're able to have multiples?

    Re: McDaid (below) & Okunbor

    He joined the NAB AFL Academy members for a training camp in Florida the past two years, but was overlooked in 2016 as Ireland's Ray Connellan and Darragh Joyce signed with the Saints.
     
  19. harmesy 37

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    Gibbs is by my rating either the 3rd best or 4th best player at Carlton. You would want more than pick 16 and 18 to trade away your third best player. Have you looked at what pick 16 gets you in previous years? Not much.

    I have the following rating of Carlton's best players
    1- Cripps
    2- Murphy
    3- Docherty
    4- Gibbs
    5- Not there yet but should be in top 5 next year ...then next Kouta.. Charlie Curnow.

    Some will have Docherty 4, Gibbs 2, Murphy 3. but these players are the cream at Carlton. You don't trade away your cream for nuts.
     
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    Maybe you can have an many as you like but only one is designated as the Cat B international AFAIK. Couldn't tell you exactly what difference that would make.

    We've had Sheehan and Byrne on the rookie list together for a few years. Plus Tuohy back a few years ago.
     
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  21. GapInIkonPark

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    It's not about winning the trade.
    One pick gets Kennedy and a lower pick back, the other pick we take to the draft.
    If Gibbs is going, I think picks 16 and 18 are better for us than just pick 10.
     
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    Yep, Cat B x 1 (Byrne) and now Sheehan has reverted to there after special dispensation from the AFL after being a standard rookie. He may not last if we strike with either of these lads as been mooted with us being listed as a club of interest with our own testing.

    We haven't won out with an Irish youngster for a while despite having greater success with our players graduating to play AFL.
     
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    I think I rate Gibbs higher than you. A goal kicking midfielder (18 goals in season) is valuable. How many goals has GWS Kennedy kicked this year? two or three.

    Gibbs has kicked more goals than Collingwood's highly rated Treloar (!3), Sidebottom (16), or Geelong's Mitch Duncan (14). Harry Taylor - who spent a lot of time up forward - only kicked 22. 4 more than Gibbs.

    Gibbs is an asset, you don't trade away assets unless you get a guaranteed success in return. An example would be when Hawthorn traded away that defender back in 2001 to Fremantle, and got pick 2, which they used on Hodge.
     
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    Fev coming back as a player-coach?
    Malcolm blight bringing back the Torp?
     
  25. Jimmae

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    One Cat B per year, otherwise they get tossed onto Cat A and consume a rookie draft pick.