Analysis 2017 List Management Discussion - Part 3

Discussion in 'Carlton' started by zeeCFC, Sep 10, 2017.

Put it out there
  1. HavUEvaSeenTheRain

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    I'm not sure. If we lose Gibbs and only bring in Kennedy then we probably won't be improving much next season.
    So pick 18 this year (will be pushed out with Rockliff to 19 and possibly 20 with Motlop) versus around pick 22 next season in an apparently stronger draft. Also having pick 22ish next year is good currency for trades if we have a target next year.
     

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  2. footyfan78

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    No. Fev back as club dietian.

    Soapy Vallance dna creates a clone and place kick back in vogue
     
  3. Soapy V

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    SOS won’t do just pick 10. He wants multiples if Gibbs goes. Crows pony up or bugger off. It’s really that simple

    Picks between 30-60 whilst classed as steak knives could be very valuable to us
     
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  4. GapInIkonPark

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    I think Gibbs is a good player.
    He is no Martin, Dangerfield and he is not our number 1 midfielder.
    But if he is going then he is going.
    What would you accept in return?
    (I know our midfield is thin on class and he has 2 years to go on his contract. Adelaide may see him as the missing piece of the puzzle too)
     
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  5. Juddernaut08

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    Coconuts can be both a nut and a cream.
     
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  6. The Old Dark Navy's

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    At the end of the day we courted him and we are obligated to get him in.
     
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  7. Soapy V

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    GWS hadn’t even offered him a contract for next year and he wasn’t getting a game. We won’t be paying much for him and certainly nothing inside top 20
     
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  8. Soapy V

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    The improvement will come from mostly the kids. The trades help develop and fill gaps

    If we did do a pick 20 for Kennedy a pick 30 would be coming back
     
  9. juzza316

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    a 2nd Round 2018 pick sound about right for Kennedy - will be early 20's.
     
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  10. Soapy V

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    Too much. Need something back
     
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  11. DavidTeague2005

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    Agreed - We can't expect to clean up every draft - our currency during trade/draft period will slowly diminish as we finish higher during the season and less big name players decide to leave. Improvement in the next couple of years is going to come from the young kids who develop from 19-20 y.o to 21-22 y.o. So many good players tend to go to a whole new level at that 21-22 mark (Lever, Kelly, McGovern, Docherty, M. Crouch), and we can only hope that at least some of our kids do the same.
     
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  12. Pafloyul

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    Oh no, it's the Marchbank clause all over again (which didn't eventuate). It's almost as if, the more we pay, suddenly he becomes a better prospect overnight.:rolleyes:
     
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    Shove your rolling eyes where the sun don't shine.

    I never suggested any such thing. He was a pick 13. He has done nothing to diminish his value. My only point is we may look at involving #16 from the Crows if the Giants won't take #27. We won't say 'sorry Matt, you're not worth coming up 11 spots even if we get something else back.'

    Hardarse internet negotiators ... heroes one and all.
     
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  14. BrisbaneCFC

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    As I keep saying, there is more than one way to build a competitive list. Draft picks aren't the only way.
     
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  15. BrisbaneCFC

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    In hindsight, yeah it was a " guaranteed " success, no draft pick is guaranteed to be anything IMO. Luke Hodge wasn't " guaranteed " to be a success as a number 2 draft pick. He was simply a guy with potential, just as all our draft picks are. I would suggest there are far too many supporters already thinking that who we have drafted and brought in over the last two years are all going to make it here. That's unlikely to happen. Some will make it, some wont.
     
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    Troy Menzel......bahahahaahHahah!
     
  17. Funk

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    Talking to a player means they are "of interest" to chat to - and maybe if we are sufficiently impressed to proceed further.

    Not that we "want" them.

    Huge difference- please don't confuse the two.
     
  18. Funk

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    Or potentially "Devon we'd like to chat with you and give you a medical".

    "Would love to offer you a contract Devon but your knee is rooted - you won't be playing after 27 years old. Not a risk we are prepared to take".

    This does not equal failure!!!!
     
  19. Soapy V

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    Who said it was?
     
  20. Pafloyul

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    Or that could just be you itching for some ready made talent virtually for the sake of it. I'm a 'best possible outcome' kind of person; I generally hate big trades because it's a seller's market.
     
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  21. BrisbaneCFC

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    No one said it, but I get the feeling that you don't want it done any other way bar the draft.
     
  22. BrisbaneCFC

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    Not for the sake of it, because I think its better than adding more kids.
     
  23. Soapy V

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    then your feeling is wrong.
     
  24. BrisbaneCFC

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    I'm not sure it is mate.
     
  25. Matty411

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