Analysis 2017 List Management Discussion - Part 3

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Dadda Dave

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My gut feel is that Rockcliff will nominate Port.

Aside from more money, what pull do we have over Port? Do you think we will pay him overs if it comes to a bidding war with Port?




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Yep i do i think we are too slow not just in the backline but all over the ground . But have somewhat been getting away with it due to our stop start game style . Clearly we are trying to rectify that by adding to the midfield but will need to do more going forward . Will give us some bargaining tools however if we need to change up the structure of the side going forward .
An extra pre-season into the kids here helps.
I love the thought of SPS, Fisher, Cuningham, Pickett and Williamson running out entire matches.
 

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Why do so many people think we'll have a chance at Rayner - he'll never get to pick 3. Shoe in for #1 IMO. Hope I'm wrong though as he would be great for us given how it seems we'll trade.
Go read Fagan comments

I.e. We will not pick any players we deem a risk to return home.

Which is why they recruit mostly country boys.

Rayner is not a country boy!!!!
 
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Wouldn't be surprised if this eventuates as the trades -

Carlton Out - Gibbs
Carlton In - Pick 16 + 34

Carlton Out - Pick 16
Carlton In - M.Kennedy & D.Smith

Carlton In - Rockliff FA

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Could use 34 for Saad if we really want him if not take to the draft with 3, 34, 38 and 56. Best available with 3; 34 or 38 for T.Kelly.

Would love 10 for Gibbs instead of 16 but not sure if the Crows come to the table on that. They might do. Very well could end up a big 4 way trade deal between us, Crows, GWS and Melbourne.
Carlton Out - Gibbs, Pick 38
Carlton In - Picks 16, 18

Carlton Out - Pick 16
Carlton In - Kennedy, Smith

Carlton In - Rockliff

Carlton Out - Boekhorst, Pick 75
Carlton In - Pick 58

Take picks 3, 18, 56 and 58 into the draft.

Delist Palmer. 1 year contracts for Buckley and Graham.
 

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I agree with most of your post except for the bit where you say Gibbs is worth only one first rounder. Gibbs is elite talent and should be valued as such. Elite disposal skills and for all you know a pick 15 or 17 for him may be a dud. You want a guarantee of quality coming in the door for trading out one of your top 3 players.
Not sure about elite. Never made AA and we haven't really achieved with him as a key part of the mid field. I love the guy but we have used him badly over the years and it has cost his profile. Wish he was forward more.
I'd be happy with a first and piece/s.
 

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Scenario

Trade 1
St Kilda receives - Pick 3,
Carlton receives - Pick 7, Pick 8,

Trade 2
St Kilda receives - D Shiel, R Griffen, L Tiziani, Pick 23
GWS Receives - Pick 3, 2018 1st rd,

Trade 3
Carlton receives - St Kilda 2018 1st rd, M Kennedy, D Smith, Pick 25
GWS receives - Pick 7, Pick 8, Pick 38,

Trade 4
Gold Coast receives Pick 25
Carlton receives A Saad

This way everyone gets what they want

Saints in: D Shiel, R Griffen, L Tiziani, Pick 23
Saints out: 7,8 & 2018 1st Round

GWS in: Pick 3, Pick 7, Pick 8,
GWS out: D Shiel, M Kennedy, D Smith, L Tiziani, Pick 25, Pick 23

Carlton in: M Kennedy, D Smith, A Saad, St Kilda 2018 1st rd
Carlton out: Pick 38, Pick 3

Gold Coast in - Pick 25
Gold Coast out - A Saad
 

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Scenario

Trade 1
St Kilda receives - Pick 3,
Carlton receives - Pick 7, Pick 8,

Trade 2
St Kilda receives - D Shiel, R Griffen, L Tiziani, Pick 23
GWS Receives - Pick 3, 2018 1st rd,

Trade 3
Carlton receives - St Kilda 2018 1st rd, M Kennedy, D Smith, Pick 25
GWS receives - Pick 7, Pick 8, Pick 38,

Trade 4
Gold Coast receives Pick 25
Carlton receives A Saad

This way everyone gets what they want

Saints in: D Shiel, R Griffen, L Tiziani, Pick 23
Saints out: 7,8 & 2018 1st Round

GWS in: Pick 3, Pick 7, Pick 8,
GWS out: D Shiel, M Kennedy, D Smith, L Tiziani, Pick 25, Pick 23

Carlton in: M Kennedy, D Smith, A Saad, St Kilda 2018 1st rd
Carlton out: Pick 38, Pick 3

Gold Coast in - Pick 25
Gold Coast out - A Saad
Yeah but Sheil just signed a contract extension to stay at GWS. Take no notice of the trade whisperer
 

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Scenario

Trade 1
St Kilda receives - Pick 3,
Carlton receives - Pick 7, Pick 8,

Trade 2
St Kilda receives - D Shiel, R Griffen, L Tiziani, Pick 23
GWS Receives - Pick 3, 2018 1st rd,

Trade 3
Carlton receives - St Kilda 2018 1st rd, M Kennedy, D Smith, Pick 25
GWS receives - Pick 7, Pick 8, Pick 38,

Trade 4
Gold Coast receives Pick 25
Carlton receives A Saad

This way everyone gets what they want

Saints in: D Shiel, R Griffen, L Tiziani, Pick 23
Saints out: 7,8 & 2018 1st Round

GWS in: Pick 3, Pick 7, Pick 8,
GWS out: D Shiel, M Kennedy, D Smith, L Tiziani, Pick 25, Pick 23

Carlton in: M Kennedy, D Smith, A Saad, St Kilda 2018 1st rd
Carlton out: Pick 38, Pick 3

Gold Coast in - Pick 25
Gold Coast out - A Saad
Trade 1. Would you do that if you were St Kilda.
No way. Get Gaff for 7, take 8 to the draft.
 
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Scenario

Trade 1
St Kilda receives - Pick 3,
Carlton receives - Pick 7, Pick 8,

Trade 2
St Kilda receives - D Shiel, R Griffen, L Tiziani, Pick 23
GWS Receives - Pick 3, 2018 1st rd,

Trade 3
Carlton receives - St Kilda 2018 1st rd, M Kennedy, D Smith, Pick 25
GWS receives - Pick 7, Pick 8, Pick 38,

Trade 4
Gold Coast receives Pick 25
Carlton receives A Saad

This way everyone gets what they want

Saints in: D Shiel, R Griffen, L Tiziani, Pick 23
Saints out: 7,8 & 2018 1st Round

GWS in: Pick 3, Pick 7, Pick 8,
GWS out: D Shiel, M Kennedy, D Smith, L Tiziani, Pick 25, Pick 23

Carlton in: M Kennedy, D Smith, A Saad, St Kilda 2018 1st rd
Carlton out: Pick 38, Pick 3

Gold Coast in - Pick 25
Gold Coast out - A Saad
What's the point of trade 1 if all 3 picks end up with GWS anyway?
 

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