Analysis 2017 List Management Discussion

[Beer n Skittles]

The problem there is we've already got too many guys who can play that role deep or off HF. Gallucci, Lamb and Armfield are probably gone at the end of this year, and Sumner will hopefully score another year.

Way bigger issue with quick and agile players at the other end of the ground. How many backups to a position do you want to have?


OK, but he's 27, not 30.


Both will play off HF/FP and rotate in if they make it. They will spend plenty of time as small forwards.


Ditto for these two, or do you reckon they'll never rotate through there??


See above.


We need to trim our small forward contingent right now (I didn't even include Armfield, and Buckley is playing defence out of necessity).


I'd still take the top 30 pick, and I don't see anything short of a 40 goal season changing that.

You're talking about list balance well before we need to worry about list balance.

We've loaded up on cheap small forwards because that's one area of the ground where you can often find good players for cheap. Wright's the only proven performer. I think we'll turn a few over & keep searching

 

[rog1995]

true - he could pack up and take off chasing the $. it's been mentioned before that he supported Carlton, and by the way he and the rest of the team is travelling and the progression that the group is taking, the chance of him moving on voluntarily is minimal.
If I was a player out there, looking to move on, anywhere, Carlton would surely be high up on the list. This club is going places....quickly too. we'll (with the growing talent on our list and with Bolts) soon be that destination club that everyone wants to come to.

The club can force a players hand like Touhy. Offer Levi A Contract worth $350k and we make him look elsewhere.

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

Correct he may not be in our next successful era and yes hes not the be all and end all to our fortunes . But i defy anybody to convince me that losing a Kruezer yet another quality player heading out the doors of the CFC is good for our future . Picks and players mean nothing if the culture of the place stinks . Correct me if im wrong but arent we wanting to be a destination club again ? This bloke plays with heart and soul every time he goes on the ground that cannot be undervalued . Losing Kruezer types imo does more damage to the culture of a club than the benefits of any compensation received for his services .

I see it as a long term investment in our future in trading players with value. If someone like Kruezer etc isnt guaranteed to be part of our next successful era, I believe its in our best interests to move them on while they have value.

 

[Iamcarlton]

I see it as a long term investment in our future in trading players with value. If someone like Kruezer etc isnt guaranteed to be part of our next successful era, I believe its in our best interests to move them on while they have value.

Not sure there would be too many quality players wanting to come to our club if we are seen as a club to be using players as bargaining chips when they get a bit older . Thats incredibly shortsighted imo and certainly doesnt lend itself to building a team of players that want to play with passion for the club .

 

[BigFrizz36]

I see it as a long term investment in our future in trading players with value. If someone like Kruezer etc isnt guaranteed to be part of our next successful era, I believe its in our best interests to move them on while they have value.

We keep shipping out great players who continually do the things that we want our young players to do and we are probably unlikely to have another successful era. Be interested to hear when the strategy of clearing out all heart and soul players players for draft picks has ever worked.

 

[Jimmae]

You're talking about list balance well before we need to worry about list balance.

We've loaded up on cheap small forwards because that's one area of the ground where you can often find good players for cheap. Wright's the only proven performer. I think we'll turn a few over & keep searching

Disagree, we won't take more than one small forward, and we'll probably be looking at 2 small/medium defenders.

All will be later in the draft pool unless someone falls into our lap early. There's a lot of midfield, KPF and ruck talent early on given the current rankings. Could get a long-term improvement on Levi if we did wind up getting Band 3 (I don't think we will though).

 

[JohnnyFontane90]

thread so far:

Levi learns to kick straight? Trade him
Kreuzer gets healthy and dominates? Trade him
Finally learn how to draft? Trade future picks

consistent with carlton's 'trade anyone that kicks goals' strategy that's held us in good stead over the last decade...

 

[katmanblue]

We'd need to trade in the hovercraft for a helicopter...........

Not this year. Thanks Demetriou.

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[Salt Lake Cities]

Jake Niall on AFL Tonight just says he can now confirm North's offer to Kelly is around $9m for 9 years.

Then goes on to state our interest in Schache, along with other clubs obviously.

Rules out Kelly IMO, interesting how we'd go about obtaining JS....

 

[Jeremias]

Jake Niall on AFL Tonight just says he can now confirm North's offer to Kelly is around $9m for 9 years.

Then goes on to state our interest in Schache, along with other clubs obviously.

Rules out Kelly IMO, interesting how we'd go about obtaining JS....

Would be quite amusing if we could bring Schache & Tayla Harris over in the one off-season.

 

[Foucault1989]

The problem there is we've already got too many guys who can play that role deep or off HF. Gallucci, Lamb and Armfield are probably gone at the end of this year, and Sumner will hopefully score another year.

Way bigger issue with quick and agile players at the other end of the ground. How many backups to a position do you want to have?


OK, but he's 27, not 30.


Both will play off HF/FP and rotate in if they make it. They will spend plenty of time as small forwards.


Ditto for these two, or do you reckon they'll never rotate through there??


See above.


We need to trim our small forward contingent right now (I didn't even include Armfield, and Buckley is playing defence out of necessity).


I'd still take the top 30 pick, and I don't see anything short of a 40 goal season changing that.

As I said, I don't think you measure what Levi offers in the short, medium and long term with statistics. We don't have a wide selection of mature bodies key forwards who can play as the long down the line kick. Unless we can find the next best contested mark in the comp I vote Levi stays. McKay, Weitering, SOSOS, Kerr and Curnow not ready for that yet

 

[HARKER]

Jake Niall on AFL Tonight just says he can now confirm North's offer to Kelly is around $9m for 9 years.
Then goes on to state our interest in Schache, along with other clubs obviously.
Rules out Kelly IMO, interesting how we'd go about obtaining JS....

Would sooner take-up barass's info, in that we're not keen on Schache.

Can't see it whichever way.

 

[Iamcarlton]

Would be quite amusing if we could bring Schache & Tayla Harris over in the one off-season.

Gee what a coup Tayla Harris would be

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

Would sooner take-up barass's info, in that we're not keen on Schache.

Can't see it whichever way.

Hope that's the case.

 

[BigFrizz36]

Would sooner take-up barass's info, in that we're not keen on Schache.

Can't see it whichever way.

Agree. You'd be paying a truck load in terms of picks and salary and also telling Harry that he has no real future. Whilst he may end up being a gun so might Harry. We don't necessarily have to have the best player in every position just a good even spread of talent where the 28th best player isn't a huge downgrade on the 14th best and every player buys in to the program. That doesn't win you a flag but makes you a contender.

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

thread so far:

Levi learns to kick straight? Trade him
Kreuzer gets healthy and dominates? Trade him
Finally learn how to draft? Trade future picks

consistent with carlton's 'trade anyone that kicks goals' strategy that's held us in good stead over the last decade...

Keep Levi
Kruezer to go as a FA
SOS has already started trading our future picks TBF. We don't have a 2nd this year.

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

Not sure there would be too many quality players wanting to come to our club if we are seen as a club to be using players as bargaining chips when they get a bit older . Thats incredibly shortsighted imo and certainly doesnt lend itself to building a team of players that want to play with passion for the club .

Cmon dude, I seriously don't think " quality " players will start refusing to join us if Kruezer leaves as a FA at years end.

 

[Mr_Plow]

Would be quite amusing if we could bring Schache & Tayla Harris over in the one off-season.

I'd hope Tayla is our top priority.

Would buy several memberships if she came across.

 

[Jimmae]

As I said, I don't think you measure what Levi offers in the short, medium and long term with statistics. We don't have a wide selection of mature bodies key forwards who can play as the long down the line kick. Unless we can find the next best contested mark in the comp I vote Levi stays. McKay, Weitering, SOSOS, Kerr and Curnow not ready for that yet

Gorringe is a decent stop gap to give us a goal a game and ruck relief, with McKay coming into the team and Charlie playing more midfield minutes.

I think Levi's fate is as tied to what we look to do with free agency, Charlie and SOS as much as it might be his own form.

 

[Jeremias]

I'd hope Tayla is our top priority.

I dare say she would be, but it might be tough if she's looking to retain her marquee status heading into next season.

A forward line of Harris, Vescio, Ayre & Jakobsson would be.......nice.

 

[Salt Lake Cities]

Would be quite amusing if we could bring Schache & Tayla Harris over in the one off-season.

A new Lion exodus. Place would go into a massive melt.

AFL will doll out a priority pick for both sides....

 

[RedFury]

Would be quite amusing if we could bring Schache & Tayla Harris over in the one off-season.

Contract clauses stating that they must each play 100 games and make babies together.

Too far?

 

[Jeremias]

AFL will doll out a priority pick for both sides....

They could give 10 and it wouldn't fix the issues.

 

[Iamcarlton]

Cmon dude, I seriously don't think " quality " players will start refusing to join us if Kruezer leaves as a FA at years end.

Kruezer would be yet another of a long line of quality players of ours at other clubs . How do you stop players leaving and your club becoming a destination club again ? Value them and not treat them as bargaining tools when they in your opinion reach their use by date .
What do you mean by start refusing? we havent been a destination club for a long time ?

 

[Salt Lake Cities]

Would sooner take-up barass's info, in that we're not keen on Schache.

Can't see it whichever way.

Always go with barass. I can't see it either though I'd like to see the financial terms and tenure first.