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speaking of which malthouse is now saying that onevof his biggest regrets at carlton is recruiting everitt as he convinced him to come over and hecwas a great player but now doesnt have a club???
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Malthouse and regrets go so well together, but everitt has nothing to do with it...
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Definitely Sam MacLure.
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Jones isn't being groomed to be a defender he's been moved there, to let Kerr, McKay and Jaksch develop in the forward line. If Jones ever plays an AFL game again it won't be as a defender.
C.Curnow is not a mid or a forward he is the icing on the cake. He will be a pav, Goodes and Kouta style of player, he'll play one week in the mid and get 30 plus touches and next week play forward and kick 6. He will be our superstar when we start win flags.
I love Alex Silvagni effort the last couple of weeks. He plays every game like it could be his last. Great leader for our young blokes.
C.Curnow is not a mid or a forward he is the icing on the cake. He will be a pav, Goodes and Kouta style of player, he'll play one week in the mid and get 30 plus touches and next week play forward and kick 6. He will be our superstar when we start win flags.
I love Alex Silvagni effort the last couple of weeks. He plays every game like it could be his last. Great leader for our young blokes.
You'll be right, just get in your Faraday cage.
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JGM still has another 12 months on the rookie list. I personally think that we should use it. He was starting to get things together really.
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TBF, that's on Longmire who switches him back and forth more often than he changes his underpants in much the same way as we are doing with KJ in the VFL.
IMO an overrated coach. Sits there dumbfounded when things go wrong.
This game showcased to anyone in doubt that we need to focus on recruiting more quality mids ASAP.
For all the talk of our average forward line, we were actually very efficient when the ball went in there...it's just that it didn't get in there often enough.
If we had the dominant midfield our forward line would look much better.
Also we can't forget that we may lose Gibbs still and Murphy is turning 30...2 of our best mids may no longer be with us soon and need to be replaced.
For all the talk of our average forward line, we were actually very efficient when the ball went in there...it's just that it didn't get in there often enough.
If we had the dominant midfield our forward line would look much better.
Also we can't forget that we may lose Gibbs still and Murphy is turning 30...2 of our best mids may no longer be with us soon and need to be replaced.
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That can be traced back to John Kennedy Sr who did the same thing to Longmire as a younger player. The following year he had a breakthrough Coleman medal winning season kicking 98 goals. Longmire now is a believer that when a versatile KP is playing inconsistently you put him down the opposite end of the ground to build him back up again. Unfortunately, the yo-yoing isn't having the intended effect.
Agree with every player you put up except for picket,let's see how he goes with a full pre season.
Totally agree. Fisher will improve a lot as will Charlie & SPS. Cripps is a gun and I have high hopes for Polson & Cuningham. Williamson could be become a mid as well but looks very assured in defence. Murphy still has a couple of years as a genuine star mid and I think he will develop as a small forward/mid as he gets older. Ed is still only 27.
Sumner & Pickett are wildcards as outside runners with speed and class. If they can step up it will make a massive difference.
Add Hopper & Balic plus another 3-4 quality mids through the draft and we look very very good. Just time and patience.
Just this game?
Every game has showed us up as relying too much on too few.
I don't think anyone is saying to not get mids, but the priority must be to bolster our midfield with at least a couple of ready-to-go mids along with drafting for them, if the situation allows.
This weeks LM:
1. Casboult for a band 2 compo
2. Keep this years first rounder for a mid.
3. Sell next years first rounder for Hopper
4. Clear 9-10 players off the books
5. If we can get a band 1 for Kreuzer, we'd have to at least look at it......although that won't happen.
6. Free Agents? Can't see it and if we were to change our mind, would we look at Martin? Hard to say, but I don't see it.
7. 3rd & 4th rounders to be used on players not getting games at other clubs, that would make for a good fit at ours.
(I feel that we're not going to want another influx of 18 year olds, if we can get 20 year olds that have been in the system for a couple of years.)
Pleasing that we can for now at least, take names Jones, Jaksch, Boekhorst off the 'definite' de-listed list.
1. Casboult for a band 2 compo
2. Keep this years first rounder for a mid.
3. Sell next years first rounder for Hopper
4. Clear 9-10 players off the books
5. If we can get a band 1 for Kreuzer, we'd have to at least look at it......although that won't happen.
6. Free Agents? Can't see it and if we were to change our mind, would we look at Martin? Hard to say, but I don't see it.
7. 3rd & 4th rounders to be used on players not getting games at other clubs, that would make for a good fit at ours.
(I feel that we're not going to want another influx of 18 year olds, if we can get 20 year olds that have been in the system for a couple of years.)
Pleasing that we can for now at least, take names Jones, Jaksch, Boekhorst off the 'definite' de-listed list.
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He's been doing a great job down there, but yes he has to make more strides to be stepping into the team ahead of Rowe and Silvagni.
Still, it's a nice option to have when the overwhelming opinion of Dogs' fans was that he had no idea when trialled there previously. Let him keep building his confidence and we might have a Trengove-type option there if we need it.
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I just cannot see any sense in allowing Kreuzer to leave. We have heaps of cap space, and seemingly are not in the market
for a FA. With a 22 chock full of kids, MK is the perfect man to have powering through the middle.
Similarly Levi plays a pivotal role for the team. Has elevated a little this season, and Bolts seems to have learned, plays
better as a forward with some ruck minutes, and offers the perfect counter argument to the Hawthorn 2-ruck model BB
seemed to favour.
Kreuzer or Phillips with back up from Levi is our short term ruck structure. The powers that be can decide if the Korcheck
project continues, but we need to invest in a young ruckman (or 2), and should have the space to do so.
The "rise" of a versatile Jones, and the gift of Alex Silvagni from Ross the (dropkick) boss. Makes a bloke like Sam Rowe
more expendable. Mr "one percent" may just hold some trade attraction for some teams lacking in the key defender area.
He is durable and could conceivably have three good years or more left yet as a stopper. Our rapidly developing kids and
the team defence model conceivably would be as effective and develop quicker without him. If Jones continues his upward
spiral and/or JGM develops as hoped, Sam becomes superfluous to our needs.
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I had to strip emotion out of things when putting that forward, but if...if...a pick #3 was there for us, what do we do?
It would have to be seriously evaluated and it couldn't be/wouldn't be, simply dismissed off-hand.
Well makes much more sense with the riches we have at our disposal in the backline if we were looking for a tradeable option . Not sure we'd get much as compensation but prefer that to the idea of trading Kruezer who will not get band 1 comp .
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See, I reckon Hawthorn's 2-ruck model is a bit of a myth. They played Hale, who was a genuine ruck/forward, and had been his entire career.
When Hale retired, their ruck group started to become a drain on the 22, but they backed the quality of their senior forwards to keep things ticking over, which worked for a time, and they were churning through forward/ruck options at the backend of the list in an effort to find another option.
They eventually gave up on those (Lowden in 2014, Grimley in 2015) and you could see the strain was finally building on Hawthorn once Roughhead went down in 2016.
They've tried to grab that Hale role again with Vickery, as well as hoping Fitzpatrick comes good (type-1 diabetic, so probably not), but neither is panning out currently.
I expect they'll punt one of Ceglar and McEvoy at the end of this year, along with Fitzpatrick. It's a good draft for it, and they might use that senior ruck to get back into the top 20 and grab one of the forward/ruck options that will be in the mix.
If someone is crazy enough to make a band 2 offer for Levi we should absolutely take the pick and retain Jones as the forward line meatshield. But that offer isn't going to happen.
Fabric.......MK is fabric....he's not Henderson or Menzal
Bleeds for the jumper and still young enough to survive the rebuild
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Points 1-6 - If we lose Casboult, then IMO we should go all out for Reid.
Point 7 - If the players not getting games at other clubs are at the GWS club, perhaps it's another package deal ... Would back SOS with our third and fourth round picks at draft. Need higher picks for quality mids, need to find a developing ruckman or one not getting senior games who will take over after MK. Keep Phillips as insurance.
Maybe it's not 'definite delist'. But Jones, Jaksch and Boekhorst I would say are more likely delisted than not.
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