They are two different arguments, so let's just agree that we can't do a single thing if Kreuzer wants to leave.
As for people having rocks in their head, perhaps some people should stop worrying about the now and embrace this rebuild. We are 18 months away from the end of 2018, are you suggesting that none of our kids that we drafted over the last 2 years will be elite?
The club will stay the course despite what results we endure in the short term
If Kreuzer walks and Gibbs is traded and we don't net a FA, we need all of them to wind up better than average, and 5 of them elite.
Would also need to trade our 3rd rounder to try to find another Philips type ruck who is not getting a game somewhere. Gorringe probably won't be on the list and I can't see the Yank making it. Would still need to look for another ruck option but at least it gives a little time to try and develop a rookie.
They'd want to be a hell of a lot better than what Phillips has done so far.
I like Kruezer like everyone else does .
Doesn't change the fact that he has a very battle scarred 29yo body and can just leave if he so chooses .
As the Menzel and Tuohy trades proved , Silvagni uses many different pieces to solve the puzzle during the trade period so nothing should be discounted .
It's not voodoo. There's a clear logic to it, and he ultimately overplayed his hand with Tuohy. In fact, the biggest 'wins' we've had so far in what SOS has done have been on-trading GWS future 2nd for those later picks (which was roughly equal on DVI points) and Yarran for pick 19 (Cuningham at what became pick 23).
By the end of next year, the net result of the Menzel trade might be Menzel for Plowman and Sumner. I still call that a win, but I can also recall being a bit miffed about what we would do with pick 28 to improve a list barren for elite skills. What us plebs were missing was the contract estimates of the GWS players and our relative cap position to the rest of the league after we'd sent 4 high-earning players out the door.
For years I'd been scratching my head at some of the trade valuations we'd seen for players in the AFL, and suddenly trades had started to make economic sense. Go back through my posts in this thread if you want an idea of what I think we'll do, and take note that we don't need to jettison anyone via free agency to accomplish it.