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Grandstan said:
C'mon, even Son-Son admits it was insensitive. It was a dumb joke to make about an indigenous player, and given what Son-Son has overcome, who could blame him.
I have no doubt Pavlich didn't intend for his joke to be viewed as racially motivated, but then I'm a white guy and don't ultimately get to make that call.
With the amount of casual racism around, it doesn't hurt to reflect rather than react.
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Surely people here can see that these kinds of jokes aren't made about white players.
Maybe Pav is so colour blind he didn't realise the association he was making, but then that's the definition of casual racism.
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I guess you did actually make the call:rolleyes:
 
Of course it's not. And now he's grandstanding about a non-issue, hoping for a chorus of sycophants to back him up, has failed, he's out. Glad you're not playing for Freo. Quality Masten-like avoidance of heat. :thumbsu:
 
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Phew, white guy confirms joke not racist.
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That's fairly irrelevant, Stan.
That someone can have a comment disregarded because they don't have experience in what they're commenting on is not exactly an example of a healthy thought process.
People outside a direct zone of experience can actually have a far more balanced view on a subject because they're dispassionate or less passionate about it. And when the subject is racism, it's fairly clear that the discussion is very passionate indeed.

Pav probably did make a comment which wasn't very well thought out. I initially thought that he was referring to the whole "AFL players who grew up on the same street in Midland" thing before I realised that the Hills didn't.
Then I realised he was probably talking about the perceived Midland suburban crime rate - which, having lived there myself for several years (see what I did there?), isn't wonderful. An indelicate comment, yeah, but I didn't pay any attention at the time. The word racism didn't even enter my head until I was told it had to.

Some journalist is justifying his job again (which in the case of sports journalists these days seems consist of making headlines, rather than engaging in journalism) and then I see some Aboriginal "Elder" has jumped on the bandwagon.
Because he's black, you see, and he sees racism everywhere. Which, just for the record, is probably quite understandable and very much justified.
But being Aboriginal, and probably having experienced racism, does not justify making accusations of it when it didn't exist in that context or circumstance.

What you've just seen is a flow-on effect caused by those with axes to grind, not enough actual insight, and a propensity to feel they're important.

Why don't you explain it to me... how is it that a quick comment which at its worst was a comment on Midland crime rates, go to Midland is full of Aboriginals (it isn't), to Aboriginals are responsible for the crime in Midland, to Pavlich made a comment about Aboriginals, to CASUAL RACISM!!!
This whole discussion fails the logic test at not one, but several points, and yet it persists.


This is what you get when society deems everyone's opinion as being useful. Most opinions, quite simply, are not well-thought out or useful at all. But these days, we're not being told we're entitled to an opinion, any more. We're being taught that our opinions are valuable regardless of intellectual grounding, and that we have the not only the right but the duty to espouse them. Aren't we all just special little snowflakes.

I liked to think, a couple of decades ago, that the internet and the advent of electronic media would be a boon for civilisation and hopefully result in more knowledge being made available than ever before, but unfortunately something a little more ugly is gaining more traction - the spread of stupidity and populist "opinion pieces". Because there's nothing more effective in making an argument about nothing into something bigger than simple popular support for it... usually achieved by engaging peoples emotions rather than on the merits of the argument itself.

I've used this quote before just recently, but at risk of being accused of repeating myself, I'll do so:

"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way thorough our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that "my ignorance is a good as your knowledge".
- Isaac Asmiov

Although I'm not sure even Asimov had an inkling when he wrote that (back in the 1980's) that the problem would become quite so paramount as it has become.



... I can't believe I just spent 15 minutes typing that out on a goddamned footy forum.
 
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Grandstan said:
Surely people here can see that these kinds of jokes aren't made about white players.
Maybe Pav is so colour blind he didn't realise the association he was making, but then that's the definition of casual racism.
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Paddy and Mick say hello - have you never laughed at an Irish joke?

Why are people still making this an issue when the supposedly aggrieved party has said there was NO OFFENSE either intended or taken. Must we all get outraged on behalf of an imaginary offended party?

First world issue for mine.
 
_Wildcard_ said:
That's fairly irrelevant, Stan.
That someone can have a comment disregarded because they don't have experience in what they're commenting on is not exactly an example of a healthy thought process.
People outside a direct zone of experience can actually have a far more balanced view on a subject because they're dispassionate or less passionate about it. And when the subject is racism, it's fairly clear that the discussion is very passionate indeed.

Pav probably did make a comment which wasn't very well thought out. I initially thought that he was referring to the whole "AFL players who grew up on the same street in Midland" thing before I realised that the Hills didn't.
Then I realised he was probably talking about the perceived Midland suburban crime rate - which, having lived there myself for several years (see what I did there?), isn't wonderful. An indelicate comment, yeah, but I didn't pay any attention at the time. The word racism didn't even enter my head until I was told it had to.

Some journalist is justifying his job again (which in the case of sports journalists these days seems consist of making headlines, rather than engaging in journalism) and then I see some Aboriginal "Elder" has jumped on the bandwagon.
Because he's black, you see, and he sees racism everywhere. Which, just for the record, is probably quite understandable and very much justified.
But being Aboriginal, and probably having experienced racism, does not justify making accusations of it when it didn't exist in that context or circumstance.

What you've just seen is a flow-on effect caused by those with axes to grind, not enough actual insight, and a propensity to feel they're important.

Why don't you explain it to me... how is it that a quick comment which at its worst was a comment on Midland crime rates, go to Midland is full of Aboriginals (it isn't), to Aboriginals are responsible for the crime in Midland, to Pavlich made a comment about Aboriginals, to CASUAL RACISM!!!
This whole discussion fails the logic test at not one, but several points, and yet it persists.


This is what you get when society deems everyone's opinion as being useful. Most opinions, quite simply, are not well-thought out or useful at all. But these days, we're not being told we're entitled to an opinion, any more. We're being taught that our opinions are valuable regardless of intellectual grounding, and that we have the not only the right but the duty to espouse them. Aren't we all just special little snowflakes.

I liked to think, a couple of decades ago, that the internet and the advent of electronic media would be a boon for civilisation and hopefully result in more knowledge being made available than ever before, but unfortunately something a little more ugly is gaining more traction - the spread of stupidity and populist "opinion pieces". Because there's nothing more effective in making an argument about nothing into something bigger than simple popular support for it... usually achieved by engaging peoples emotions rather than on the merits of the argument itself.

I've used this quote before just recently, but at risk of being accused of repeating myself, I'll do so:

"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way thorough our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that "my ignorance is a good as your knowledge".
- Isaac Asmiov

Although I'm not sure even Asimov had an inkling when he wrote that (back in the 1980's) that the problem would become quite so paramount as it has become.



... I can't believe I just spent 15 minutes typing that out on a goddamned footy forum.
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I spent time reading it and synthesising it. You were brilliant.

All of the above is why the term casual racism exists. It is by our actions etc.
 
Pav - welcome to being a commentator. You can't say anything on air without upsetting someone so you have to keep it professional.
I bet Pav won't do that again!
 
I can't stand when people misunderstand political correctness and label things as racist because of their own discriminatory perceptions.

To Pavlich and those of us who have plenty of indigenous (and multicultural) friends, the colour of our skin isn't something we even think about when we converse. We make jibes at each other and stopping ourselves from having a crack about something like a suburb a person grew up in because someone is indigenous is racist in itself. We should be able to make the same jokes (that aren't about race) to people of any ethnicity. By not treating all people equally (regardless of race) we are in fact being racist.

It is pretty clear the moron Brendan Foster can't comprehend this so his racist perspective interprets what Pavlich said as something about race. Foster clearly associates aboriginal people with crime in Midland, not Pav. It's pretty clear to me who the real racists are here. I'd be sending Brendan off on assignment way up North for a 'cultural experience'. I'm sure we'd all cross our fingers that he doesn't find his way back.
 

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armpit said:
I spent time reading it and synthesising it. You were brilliant.

All of the above is why the term casual racism exists. It is by our actions etc.
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Thanks.
Next time, though, I might make it 17 minutes and spell Asimov's name right.
 
_Wildcard_ said:
That's fairly irrelevant, Stan.
That someone can have a comment disregarded because they don't have experience in what they're commenting on is not exactly an example of a healthy thought process.
People outside a direct zone of experience can actually have a far more balanced view on a subject because they're dispassionate or less passionate about it. And when the subject is racism, it's fairly clear that the discussion is very passionate indeed.

Pav probably did make a comment which wasn't very well thought out. I initially thought that he was referring to the whole "AFL players who grew up on the same street in Midland" thing before I realised that the Hills didn't.
Then I realised he was probably talking about the perceived Midland suburban crime rate - which, having lived there myself for several years (see what I did there?), isn't wonderful. An indelicate comment, yeah, but I didn't pay any attention at the time. The word racism didn't even enter my head until I was told it had to.

Some journalist is justifying his job again (which in the case of sports journalists these days seems consist of making headlines, rather than engaging in journalism) and then I see some Aboriginal "Elder" has jumped on the bandwagon.
Because he's black, you see, and he sees racism everywhere. Which, just for the record, is probably quite understandable and very much justified.
But being Aboriginal, and probably having experienced racism, does not justify making accusations of it when it didn't exist in that context or circumstance.

What you've just seen is a flow-on effect caused by those with axes to grind, not enough actual insight, and a propensity to feel they're important.

Why don't you explain it to me... how is it that a quick comment which at its worst was a comment on Midland crime rates, go to Midland is full of Aboriginals (it isn't), to Aboriginals are responsible for the crime in Midland, to Pavlich made a comment about Aboriginals, to CASUAL RACISM!!!
This whole discussion fails the logic test at not one, but several points, and yet it persists.


This is what you get when society deems everyone's opinion as being useful. Most opinions, quite simply, are not well-thought out or useful at all. But these days, we're not being told we're entitled to an opinion, any more. We're being taught that our opinions are valuable regardless of intellectual grounding, and that we have the not only the right but the duty to espouse them. Aren't we all just special little snowflakes.

I liked to think, a couple of decades ago, that the internet and the advent of electronic media would be a boon for civilisation and hopefully result in more knowledge being made available than ever before, but unfortunately something a little more ugly is gaining more traction - the spread of stupidity and populist "opinion pieces". Because there's nothing more effective in making an argument about nothing into something bigger than simple popular support for it... usually achieved by engaging peoples emotions rather than on the merits of the argument itself.

I've used this quote before just recently, but at risk of being accused of repeating myself, I'll do so:

"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way thorough our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that "my ignorance is a good as your knowledge".
- Isaac Asmiov

Although I'm not sure even Asimov had an inkling when he wrote that (back in the 1980's) that the problem would become quite so paramount as it has become.



... I can't believe I just spent 15 minutes typing that out on a goddamned footy forum.
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I appreciate your thoughtful response Wildcard, but save your lecture on anti-intellectualism for a day when you're not siding with those who've launched into abuse at the mere hint of a discussion about privilege and unconscious prejudice.
 
Grandstan said:
I appreciate your thoughtful response Wildcard, but save your lecture on anti-intellectualism for a day when you're not siding with those who've launched into abuse at the mere hint of a discussion about privilege and unconscious prejudice.
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Pious much?
 

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Grandstan said:
Hey my shit stinks, unlike Pav's, apparently. But there's no point getting into this touchy subject if people are going to just call me names - and worst of all "Masten-like". [emoji854]
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It's a footy forum buddy. You are fully entitled to an opinion and you have expressed it. Let's move on.
 
I must admit I winced when I heard Pav's comment, was a cheap jibe, considering his image. Sonson's response was all class though, if Fyfe goes he'll be captain for certain.
 
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