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Don't generally read her stuff,but for some reason thought she may have had a little more substance.How's Caro's form?
How's Caro's form?
Thinks journos should be free to criticise the players and coaches for anything and everything, including their personal lives, including agitating for people to lose their jobs, but then gets hyper-sensitive when a few coaches dare voice what they think of the work journos do.
Surely she's taking the piss here? Hahahaha.And this....
Ross: "I think you're being a bit sensitive"
(Google Translate: "Caro, you're a dickhead")
And this....
Ross: "I think you're being a bit sensitive"
(Google Translate: "Caro, you're a dickhead")
I think it's strange that Lyon is so careful not to criticise the umpires (who uphold the laws of the game) but thinks it's fair game to mock journalists (who represent the fans). Sure, mock them when they're deliberately provocative or unfair, but I can think of plenty of instances in pressers where Lyon has gotten a reasonable question and I wouldn't mind a direct answer, or at least some version of his views, and he wastes his answer belittling the questioner. I don't blame him, in that it's a classic diversion tactic (it's Trump's favourite way of avoiding scrutiny) but I'm surprised keen viewers of the game like we have here wouldn't all feel the same way.
What was so satisfying about the Lyon we got on Footy Classified last night was he gave answers to those thorny questions. He admitted there was at least some truth to the story about the confrontation between the coaches and senior players after the Port loss. He explained his line "we're not being showered with 1st round picks" was not a whinge to the AFL but an internal motivating message aimed at the club (right up to the top).
I'm interested in these questions and answers. I don't get why you'd waste time belittling the people who ask reasonable questions. If all you want to do is watch the game and leave it at that I don't know why you'd spend time coming on here.
At the end of the day Ross is only human (although some on here might dispute that) and some of his responses might be coloured by the emotion he is feeling at the time or an agenda you and I are not privy to. For the most part I find Ross to be enormously honest and expansive when dealing with the "non-WA" media, and last night was pretty typical of what we see on AFL 360, On the Couch etc.I think it's strange that Lyon is so careful not to criticise the umpires (who uphold the laws of the game) but thinks it's fair game to mock journalists (who represent the fans). Sure, mock them when they're deliberately provocative or unfair, but I can think of plenty of instances in pressers where Lyon has gotten a reasonable question and I wouldn't mind a direct answer, or at least some version of his views, and he wastes his answer belittling the questioner. I don't blame him, in that it's a classic diversion tactic (it's Trump's favourite way of avoiding scrutiny) but I'm surprised keen viewers of the game like we have here wouldn't all feel the same way.
What was so satisfying about the Lyon we got on Footy Classified last night was he gave answers to those thorny questions. He admitted there was at least some truth to the story about the confrontation between the coaches and senior players after the Port loss. He explained his line "we're not being showered with 1st round picks" was not a whinge to the AFL but an internal motivating message aimed at the club (right up to the top).
I'm interested in these questions and answers. I don't get why you'd waste time belittling the people who ask reasonable questions. If all you want to do is watch the game and leave it at that I don't know why you'd spend time coming on here.
Are they thin skinned? I wouldn't have thought so. I think Caro, as one of the most respected and senior footy writers in the country, probably felt it her responsibility to stand up for her colleagues. There's still some bitterness I reckon over what Malthouse got away with.Why are journalists so thin skinned?
He famously roasted Shane McInnes after the Geelong game, when the question was pathetic, disrespectful and stupid. One of the greatest victories by any team ever, and the first question was asking whether Lyon went outside the rules of the game? Shane got what he deserved. I also think he's a better journo for it now.
The complaint that Caro made about Lyon was when he made the penny dreadful explanation. I thought it was a very reasoned explanation of the competition that the media must undergo to get heard. How was that belittling a journalist?
I think both of us have probably got some confirmation bias going on. While you can think of plenty of times when Lyon spends his time belittling the questioner, apart from the "you're quite brilliant Shane" example, I can't think of any. Lyon typically gives more expansive answers than any other coach, but doesn't answer the same question multiple times - "I feel like I've already answered that question". no belittling there.
It's not as if he half threatened a commentator, like Hardwick did on Cornes.
Difference for me is that she is standing up for 1,600 people, most of whom she probably doesn't even know, and many of whom are absolute knobs - not looking at you Brendan Foster, Kim Hagdorn etc - whereas Ross is generally defending himself or a bunch of players he is emotionally and vocationally invested in.Are they thin skinned? I wouldn't have thought so. I think Caro, as one of the most respected and senior footy writers in the country, probably felt it her responsibility to stand up for her colleagues. There's still some bitterness I reckon over what Malthouse got away with.
I rarely judge a coach for what they say post match. The adrenaline is flowing, the emotions are high and the dust hasn't settled. It's more the mid-week pressers that bother me. I've watched enough of them for it to be apparent that Ross is pretty patronising towards to WA mob (and I see Dudley also has noticed). And I'll admit it, I'm still miffed he stopped doing the Monday slot!
couldn't believe she used the opportunity whilst Ross took the time to hang back in Melb and be apart of the show to launch an attack on him. Absolute low-life, wouldn't expect anything less from her though. Has to be up there as one of the most hated in the industry.
I really didn't see that as her going after a rise. She only writes about top level stuff board, coach appointments and the like, and really isn't interested in that kind of thing. Given that she has had the guts to confront Eddie, and others who run the sport, I wouldn't question her courage or her reasons.Difference for me is that she is standing up for 1,600 people, most of whom she probably doesn't even know, and many of whom are absolute knobs - not looking at you Brendan Foster, Kim Hagdorn etc - whereas Ross is generally defending himself or a bunch of players he is emotionally and vocationally invested in.
Caro had one objective and one only - to try to get a rise out of Ross so that she could make a few more headlines. Fortunately she failed - imagine if she had Hardwick sitting in front of here, I doubt she would have even had the guts to ask the question.
Agreed but if Goldy had kicked that goal on Sunday I may of felt differently. LolHaven't felt particularly hard done by by the umpires since the last derby
Don't want to get into a long argument about something we basically agree on, but I'll have one last chop then leave it at that.I really didn't see that as her going after a rise. She only writes about top level stuff board, coach appointments and the like, and really isn't interested in that kind of thing. Given that she has had the guts to confront Eddie, and others who run the sport, I wouldn't question her courage or her reasons.
As for his reasons, I agree he's a top-rate coach and worth the million bucks a year he earns. Clarko is pretty good, but I don't know if there's anyone else you'd rather have either. I guess I just wish he'd take on board that as he becomes such a respected figure in the game how he talks to the media does matter.
And Lyon's right with the dig about being written off after rd 2 - being connected to the biggest job in the game at Collingwood is a measure of how much he's respected.
Reams of defamatory things? Really? Most people who hate her just seem to be Hird fans.Personally, I wasn't affronted at all by the fact that Caro chose to attack Ross in her Arrow piece when he took the time to stay back because at least we got to hear his reply. It's the reams of disgusting, defamatory things she's written without bothering to get the version from the person she's defaming that sickens me about her. It demonstrates a total lack of journalistic integrity and a spiteful, malevolent, malignant nature.
Reams of defamatory things? Really? Most people who hate her just seem to be Hird fans.