2017 National Draft - 24th November 7pm

stefoid

Brownlow Medallist
Mar 8, 2002
15,457
5,170
home
AFL Club
Western Bulldogs
Can someone tell me where we are at with the forwards we drafted last year:

Young - Where did he play before he was drafted? Where did the 'club se him as a forward' rumours come from?
Lippy: got games last year before injury, so I assume is on the cards
Greene: Can he play?
McM: Can he play?
 

(Log in to remove this ad.)

dogwatch

Premium Platinum
Jun 17, 2009
16,964
23,430
Canberra
AFL Club
Western Bulldogs
Other Teams
Arsenal
Sorry but Roberts and young aren’t forwards - they are failed forwards only moved back cause they didn’t show enough forward.

...
Calling Young a "failed" forward at age 18 seems a bit rough. I can't recall all his VFL match details but he would have played only a few games up forward for Footscray before being tried in defence where there was clearly a greater need at the time (remembering we had TBoyd, Stringer, Cloke and Redpath as tall forward options at that stage).

Unless you are saying he was tried as a forward as a junior and clearly failed. If so, I hadn't heard about that.

I have thought of him as something of a project player since he was absolute bottom age of his draft year. If he was 12 days younger he would probably have gone in the top 20 in 2017 - assuming his junior development trajectory continued OK. For him to have got senior games in 2017 was a bonus.
 

TiAn_

Premiership Player
Sep 19, 2006
4,552
10,822
Melbourne
AFL Club
Western Bulldogs
Sorry but Roberts and young aren’t forwards - they are failed forwards only moved back cause they didn’t show enough forward.

It would be like throwing Liam jones back forward. They have shown more attributes as backs than forwards.
It Is why hooker will go back, why Taylor will go back, why Reid at Collingwood hasn’t been able to be a consistent fwd, possibly even why Moore will be back there also.

Jj s game against ess was great as a fwd but there is a reason he isn’t played there every week. I recall a few years ago he was played a lot there at Footscray but ... went down back when not consistent enough as fwd.

And if u believe WAFL watchers the same exact thing happened with Adams.
If drafting Naughton means a back has to play as a fwd then you consider brander a better recruit cause he would be a fwd who plays fwd- with flexibility to go back- but leaves a number of our blokes able to play in the position they are best.
Young is a failed forward at 18 years old during his first season?? That’s a massive stretch.

Funny that you mention Hooker. Has probably been better than any of our key forwards for a long time (likewise Moore) and Essendon have shown how easy it is to shift the other moving parts around quality KPP.

If you think being able to keep Fletcher Roberts at FB for Footscray makes Brander a better prospect than Naughton I don’t know what to tell you.
 

Wizard17

Brownlow Medallist
Sep 2, 2013
10,365
8,871
AFL Club
Western Bulldogs
Can someone tell me where we are at with the forwards we drafted last year:

Young - Where did he play before he was drafted? Where did the 'club se him as a forward' rumours come from?
Lippy: got games last year before injury, so I assume is on the cards
Greene: Can he play?
McM: Can he play?
Lewis was a forward before he was drafted.
 

Dannnnnnnnnn

Moderator
Aug 24, 2012
33,917
43,720
AFL Club
Western Bulldogs
Other Teams
T'Wolves, Renault F1, Footscray
Can someone tell me where we are at with the forwards we drafted last year:

Young - Where did he play before he was drafted? Where did the 'club se him as a forward' rumours come from?
Lippy: got games last year before injury, so I assume is on the cards
Greene: Can he play?
McM: Can he play?
Young was a forward before he was drafted and spent some time there in the VFL early days but looked much more at home in the backline. I would argue that the likelihood of such a late draftee becoming a capable key forward are historically astronomically low. Nothing I saw of him as a forward gave me reason to believe he'd be an exception, but there's still time.

I'm not quite as enamoured with Lipinski as it seems the majority are but he does appear to lean more forward than mid which is great; hopefully he develops well.

Greene started the year very well as an opportunist goal kicker but doesn't get involved enough. Had some injuries which didn't help. Still too many question marks to factor him in to any real degree, but some promising signs.

I think NMM's best chances of making it are as a key defender unfortunately. Has some good attributes (great tackler, moves well, very aggressive, excellent mark) but really struggles to stay in the game and to get involved. Again, still time, but would consider him a remote chance of making a difference in our forward line.
 

JJHunter

Premium Gold
Jan 15, 2008
2,350
2,056
Toorak
AFL Club
Western Bulldogs
We don't know what type of player we will target in the rookie draft, could be a small mature forward.
Very true.
I wonder - if the best available is a key back at next years forst pick in the draft would we take them again?

The philosophy of next best has serious flaws. A line has to be drawn at some point between list balance and best available. Clearly we stepped over that line this year
 

Leviticus

All Australian
Oct 15, 2017
728
709
AFL Club
Western Bulldogs
Can someone tell me where we are at with the forwards we drafted last year:

Young - Where did he play before he was drafted? Where did the 'club se him as a forward' rumours come from?
Lippy: got games last year before injury, so I assume is on the cards
Greene: Can he play?
McM: Can he play?
They are all still developing, some may get a few senior games this year but not en masse barring a catastrophe. Now that we have recruited highly rated KPB Naughton, Young has time to develop as a CHF in the VFL.

I think Rourke Smith is in front of at least a couple of them for a game. He is quite versatile, I think he has shown he can play above his height, could be an option at FP, HFF, Wing.

More generally re the forward line, if our listed forward types can find form in 2018, we will not have problems.

In particular, Redpath, Clay Smith, Dickson, Schache.

And Boyd/Roughead as resting tall forwards (I hold Boyd to be our #1 ruck).

We have seen that Bailey Dale is a good forward. Picken has been a good general forward the past few years, hopefully continues this in 2018.

Forward situation may not be as dire as some feel.
 

DognBones

Premium Gold
Sep 3, 2007
2,793
3,071
In a good place when we win
AFL Club
Western Bulldogs
Not considering Roberts or Collins who most think are just backups or just haven't got the talent or pace, the following is our list of backs: Suckling, Wood, Cordy, Biggs, Adams, Young, Williams, Morris, JJ, Trengove, Crozier and now add Naughton and Richards. If Roarke Smith can return fit from his reco then we could add him too. A case could be made (although not convincingly in my opinion) is that a couple of these could be moved to the forward line but that still leaves a cast of thousands. I think the club is following the 'survival of the fittest' theory that if you have so many competing for spots then the best will emerge from the pack.
Imagine if we had a similar list of possibles for our forward line! It bodes for a very interesting season.
Personally, I wouldn't write Collins off just yet either, his late season form for Footscray was much improved.
 
Last edited:

Dannnnnnnnnn

Moderator
Aug 24, 2012
33,917
43,720
AFL Club
Western Bulldogs
Other Teams
T'Wolves, Renault F1, Footscray
I think Rourke Smith is in front of at least a couple of them for a game. He is quite versatile, I think he has shown he can play above his height, could be an option at FP, HFF, Wing.
Roarke's a defender and hasn't shown any propensity to play other roles for mine.
 

(Log in to remove this ad.)

Dogs_r_barking

Premiers 2016
Mar 2, 2007
9,597
7,780
Bellarine Peninsular
AFL Club
Western Bulldogs
Other Teams
Melb Victory
Very true.
I wonder - if the best available is a key back at next years forst pick in the draft would we take them again?

The philosophy of next best has serious flaws. A line has to be drawn at some point between list balance and best available. Clearly we stepped over that line this year
I'm not so sure, there is a higher failure rate in KPP so drafting a surplus increases the chance of success. Midfielders have a higher success rate, although your elites like Bont are harder to find.
 

stefoid

Brownlow Medallist
Mar 8, 2002
15,457
5,170
home
AFL Club
Western Bulldogs
Very true.
I wonder - if the best available is a key back at next years forst pick in the draft would we take them again?

The philosophy of next best has serious flaws. A line has to be drawn at some point between list balance and best available. Clearly we stepped over that line this year
Its funny, because 95/100 'best available' equates to a mid.

Usually the argument against best available stems from the fact that quality KPP are rare as hens teeth, and not having a system in place that assigns them a 'scarcity premium' forever consigns us to being a short team full of mids, flankers, and spud talls.

yet here we are - the happy circumstance (according to dal) of being able to pick a KPP AND have that player be best available.

this temporary log jam of talls we have n the list will sort itself out.

some will retire
some will be delisted
some will be traded to carlton
 

doggies ftw

Brownlow Medallist
Sep 22, 2008
15,275
11,725
AFL Club
Western Bulldogs
People that respond to users that have told them they are on ignore 1000 times are doing nothing other than deliberately derailing the thread with continued dribble.

How are they not banned for this?
You literally just said there was forwards available, who are they? Answer the question. If you don't want to then stop ******* whinging.
 

Leviticus

All Australian
Oct 15, 2017
728
709
AFL Club
Western Bulldogs
Very true.
I wonder - if the best available is a key back at next years forst pick in the draft would we take them again?

The philosophy of next best has serious flaws. A line has to be drawn at some point between list balance and best available. Clearly we stepped over that line this year
I don't think we did this year. You would have to be assuming our current tall backs set up is satisfactory and that none of them could be useful as utilities (e.g., Adams and Cordy).

If Trengove and Naughton fire and Collins, Roberts and Young establish or re-establish credentials, I could not see us going the same way again next year.
 

goodcop badcop

Club Legend
Sep 4, 2014
2,084
2,354
AFL Club
Western Bulldogs
THE Western Bulldogs have secured two left-footed defenders they ranked inside the draft’s top 10 after punting Jake Stringer to Essendon last month.

Recruiter Simon Dalrymple said the Dogs were “concerned” that the drop in talent at Friday night’s national draft would affect who was left at pick 16, the selection acquired after Stringer was traded.

But they pounced on 194cm intercepting defender Aaron Naughton at No.9 and then grabbed 185cm halfback dasher Ed Richards at No.16.


Aaron Naughton and Ed Richards will be the newest members of the kennel in 2018. Picture: Getty Images

“I was pessimistic (on Richards) because there were so many suitors between 10 and 15,” Dalrymple said.

“He was our next ranked player after Aaron.”

It’s understood the Dogs ranked Naughton at about No.6.

Richards was 45 minutes late to a meeting with Carlton last week, helping the Blues settle on Lochie O’Brien at No.10 instead of him.

But Dalrymple said the Carey Grammar student had an issue with his car that morning.

“From speaking to his teachers who have known him for five years, his character and his punctuality have been of the highest order,” Dalrymple said.

“We took the best player and he is also a good fit. He’ll work in well with Jason Johannisen, Shane Biggs, Bailey Williams and those guys after the retirements of Bob (Murphy) and (Matthew) Boydy.

“We’ve now restocked our back half of the ground for the future.”

Richards grew about 15cm in one year and plays with composure. The Heath Shaw-type is the grandson of Collingwood great Ron Richards and grand nephew of football icon Lou Richards.

“In Year 10 he was a tiny kid. But with that growth comes confidence and an ability to win your own ball a bit more and away you go,” Dalrymple said.

Naughton joins young key defenders Marcus Adams, Zaine Cordy, Fletcher Roberts, Kieran Collins and Lewis Young at Whitten Oval.

But Dalrymple said the Dogs simply had to take the best player at No.9.

“History is littered with examples of going too early on,” Dalrymple said.

“There’s a little bit of Easton Wood in him in the way he can intercept mark, and obviously he’s a bit bigger than Easton,” Dalrymple said.


“If he could only play on one type of player that would restrict him and his rating would’ve gone down, because we rate versatility really highly in our assessment criteria.

“He’s got the ability to intercept mark and read the cues along with his athleticism and competitiveness.

“We do have some promising key defenders, but it’s a competitive environment so the water level there is rising.”

Naughton turns 18 on Thursday but could debut next season after playing WAFL seniors this year.

The Dogs drafted Gippsland Power midfielder Callum Porter at No.74, who has won nine best-and-fairests.

“He’s a terrific country boy who loves his footy and Gippsland were glowing in their character assessment,” Dalrymple said.

“Talking to him last night I don’t think I’ve ever had a boy that, when I’ve rung to congratulate them, say to me that this is only the start and that I’m coming here to work and won’t let you down.

“It means so much to him and he’ll leave no stone unturned to make it a career.”

The Dogs will select one rookie tomorrow.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/western-bulldogs/western-bulldogs-happy-with-draft-haul-in-young-guns-aaron-naughton-and-ed-richards/news-story/55313223eb07380369a19fbd8f70efa8


Sounds like we got lucky with Richards. He was 45 minutes late to his interview with Carlton, they were strongly linked to him.
 

The Inbetweener

Premiership Player
Nov 25, 2011
3,289
3,262
Footscray
AFL Club
Western Bulldogs
THE Western Bulldogs have secured two left-footed defenders they ranked inside the draft’s top 10 after punting Jake Stringer to Essendon last month.

Recruiter Simon Dalrymple said the Dogs were “concerned” that the drop in talent at Friday night’s national draft would affect who was left at pick 16, the selection acquired after Stringer was traded.

But they pounced on 194cm intercepting defender Aaron Naughton at No.9 and then grabbed 185cm halfback dasher Ed Richards at No.16.


Aaron Naughton and Ed Richards will be the newest members of the kennel in 2018. Picture: Getty Images

“I was pessimistic (on Richards) because there were so many suitors between 10 and 15,” Dalrymple said.

“He was our next ranked player after Aaron.”

It’s understood the Dogs ranked Naughton at about No.6.

Richards was 45 minutes late to a meeting with Carlton last week, helping the Blues settle on Lochie O’Brien at No.10 instead of him.

But Dalrymple said the Carey Grammar student had an issue with his car that morning.

“From speaking to his teachers who have known him for five years, his character and his punctuality have been of the highest order,” Dalrymple said.

“We took the best player and he is also a good fit. He’ll work in well with Jason Johannisen, Shane Biggs, Bailey Williams and those guys after the retirements of Bob (Murphy) and (Matthew) Boydy.

“We’ve now restocked our back half of the ground for the future.”

Richards grew about 15cm in one year and plays with composure. The Heath Shaw-type is the grandson of Collingwood great Ron Richards and grand nephew of football icon Lou Richards.

“In Year 10 he was a tiny kid. But with that growth comes confidence and an ability to win your own ball a bit more and away you go,” Dalrymple said.

Naughton joins young key defenders Marcus Adams, Zaine Cordy, Fletcher Roberts, Kieran Collins and Lewis Young at Whitten Oval.

But Dalrymple said the Dogs simply had to take the best player at No.9.

“History is littered with examples of going too early on,” Dalrymple said.

“There’s a little bit of Easton Wood in him in the way he can intercept mark, and obviously he’s a bit bigger than Easton,” Dalrymple said.


“If he could only play on one type of player that would restrict him and his rating would’ve gone down, because we rate versatility really highly in our assessment criteria.

“He’s got the ability to intercept mark and read the cues along with his athleticism and competitiveness.

“We do have some promising key defenders, but it’s a competitive environment so the water level there is rising.”

Naughton turns 18 on Thursday but could debut next season after playing WAFL seniors this year.

The Dogs drafted Gippsland Power midfielder Callum Porter at No.74, who has won nine best-and-fairests.

“He’s a terrific country boy who loves his footy and Gippsland were glowing in their character assessment,” Dalrymple said.

“Talking to him last night I don’t think I’ve ever had a boy that, when I’ve rung to congratulate them, say to me that this is only the start and that I’m coming here to work and won’t let you down.

“It means so much to him and he’ll leave no stone unturned to make it a career.”

The Dogs will select one rookie tomorrow.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/western-bulldogs/western-bulldogs-happy-with-draft-haul-in-young-guns-aaron-naughton-and-ed-richards/news-story/55313223eb07380369a19fbd8f70efa8


Sounds like we got lucky with Richards. He was 45 minutes late to his interview with Carlton, they were strongly linked to him.
Must have been super keen to dump Stringer if they were concerned of the talent drop off around 16 yet still did the deal
 

Dannnnnnnnnn

Moderator
Aug 24, 2012
33,917
43,720
AFL Club
Western Bulldogs
Other Teams
T'Wolves, Renault F1, Footscray
He’ll work in well with Jason Johannisen, Shane Biggs, Bailey Williams and those guys after the retirements of Bob (Murphy) and (Matthew) Boydy.
Probably reading too much into it but I wonder if drafting Richards has altered their plans to play Crozier down back?
 
Top Bottom