Game Day 2017 National Draft

The OP for our new picks must be accurate and informative. Who should do it?

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Coffield has the least risk of the pick 6 selections. He has a position off a half back flank for us. He has a future spot in midfield. He's tall, agile, quick, skilled and a good decision maker. He'd play from round 1 for us.

I also like Balta because he has a great mix of attributes with his speed, marking, ground level game and the depth in his kicking. His positional scope makes him less of a risk. He has potential as a forward but as a minimum will be a key defender. And we need both.

The question marks over Stephensons kicking make me nervous and I don't think we have a mix that can absorb another poor kick. That said Dangerfield and Fyfe are shit kicks too and they're both guns. But i'd steer clear.

I really like Fogarty as a list fit if he makes it as a tall mobile forward. But I reckon he is an intercept defender, big bodied midfielder before that. And there is inherent risk in his injuries. I'm a bit scarred by the Scharenberg experience. We can't wait that long.

I still reckon we should go Balta to provide insurance for the possibility we don't get Lynch. So we aren't disadvantaged at key position by that gamble.

However I can see us risking it on Coffield and going after Lynch next year. That would be such a huge coup for us those two. I really like Coffield and could accept it, but still reckon we need to go key position.
 

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Coffield has the least risk of the pick 6 selections. He has a position off a half back flank for us. He has a future spot in midfield. He's tall, agile, quick, skilled and a good decision maker. He'd play from round 1 for us.

I also like Balta because he has a great mix of attributes with his speed, marking, ground level game and the depth in his kicking. His positional scope makes him less of a risk. He has potential as a forward but as a minimum will be a key defender. And we need both.

The question marks over Stephensons kicking make me nervous and I don't think we have a mix that can absorb another poor kick. That said Dangerfield and Fyfe are shit kicks too and they're both guns. But i'd steer clear.

I really like Fogarty as a list fit if he makes it as a tall mobile forward. But I reckon he is an intercept defender, big bodied midfielder before that. And there is inherent risk in his injuries. I'm a bit scarred by the Scharenberg experience. We can't wait that long.

I still reckon we should go Balta to provide insurance for the possibility we don't get Lynch. So we aren't disadvantaged at key position by that gamble.

However I can see us risking it on Coffield and going after Lynch next year. That would be such a huge coup for us those two. I really like Coffield and could accept it, but still reckon we need to go key position.
any one off Fogarty, Coffield and Balta sound good to me.
With Cox look likely to play forward/ ruck Coffield or balta are a need, but reckon Fogarty is the one that we will go for
Just wish we could get another one or two picks in the round
 
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Watched some highlights, fully aware they are just highlights.
Coffield - looked really good, he stuffed up a few handballs though. I still want.
Stephenson - he was turning the ball over collingwood style
Cerra - doesn't look like what we need
Brander - looks like a strong mark, would be happy with him at 6 based on everything I have read.
Rayner - had the best highlights and most of these were found in highlights of the players above as I didn't actively look up his
 
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Go to draft this year:
Pick 6: Fogarty best on in Academy match back in April before his injury, voted by his peers as the No1 at that point
Pick 36: Houlahan strong finish to year good vertical leap strong mark and goal kicker
Pick 54: Powell Underrated goal kicking mid excellent kick best on ground in last years Academy match in NZ and strong match in the academy match back in April named in best players
Pick 59: Farrell Another not talked about but like Powell an excellent ball user penetrating by foot coming out of back half
These boys all proven performers in big matches and add skill
Develope these boys and add Tom Lynch into mix through next years trade period.
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Hmm, I mean Coffield seems the most likely and is a somewhat safe pick with maybe not the highest hurt factor but few if any deficiencies, I just can't help but be underwhelmed with the lack of real quality about many of the guys in the 5-10 bracket.

To me most of them are either on the vanilla side or have a couple of tricks but obvious issues in certain areas. In every draft we've had a top 10 there's been a few players I've been excited about potentially landing, just not feeling it this year.
 

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Coffield has the least risk of the pick 6 selections. He has a position off a half back flank for us. He has a future spot in midfield. He's tall, agile, quick, skilled and a good decision maker. He'd play from round 1 for us.

I also like Balta because he has a great mix of attributes with his speed, marking, ground level game and the depth in his kicking. His positional scope makes him less of a risk. He has potential as a forward but as a minimum will be a key defender. And we need both.

The question marks over Stephensons kicking make me nervous and I don't think we have a mix that can absorb another poor kick. That said Dangerfield and Fyfe are shit kicks too and they're both guns. But i'd steer clear.

I really like Fogarty as a list fit if he makes it as a tall mobile forward. But I reckon he is an intercept defender, big bodied midfielder before that. And there is inherent risk in his injuries. I'm a bit scarred by the Scharenberg experience. We can't wait that long.

I still reckon we should go Balta to provide insurance for the possibility we don't get Lynch. So we aren't disadvantaged at key position by that gamble.

However I can see us risking it on Coffield and going after Lynch next year. That would be such a huge coup for us those two. I really like Coffield and could accept it, but still reckon we need to go key position.
Just on Fogarty, his injury was relatively minor, and he’s had it repaired early enough that he should be good to go for preseason. There shouldn’t be any inherent risk in a meniscus tear. Certainly less risk than Scharenberg’s feet.

Agree on Balta. He’s my man at 6. Love the intensity and willingness to take on the game that he brings.
 

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All aboard the Coffield train but I'm just wondering who my second preference is in case he's gone because there's a bit of lip that North are keen on him.

I just can't wrap my head around the Stephenson hype to be honest. He just doesn't appeal to me.
On from this, Fogarty is the true x-factor player for me rather than Stephenson. Guy could be anything and that surname is the bomb!

Cerra intrigues me because he is a class act, I liken him to Cotchin but from looking as someone said, I don't think Cerra makes our current midfield and he's pretty one-sided and can't play forward like De Goey did in the early days. He's probably not the right guy.

Hunter Clark is another who I'm big on, who can play across half-back like Zak Jones or as a midfield bull like Powell-Pepper. He's a bit like Coffield I suppose but not as quick and more hard at it. He can be a real game changer.

Also Angus Brayshaw is another machine who is rising up by the day, classy and contested, can hit the scoreboard and turn a game upside by himself. The potential is limitless.

The talls Brander, Balta and Naughton don't really have me raving personally. I'd pass on all at six.
I don't think Melbourne will allow us to draft Angus Brayshaw ;)

Hunter Clark while I like his character is everything we don't need - another mid who is a poor kick. Played half-back at times but his foot skills there are a liability.
 

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I'm a passive observer of this thread, and I remember a poster talking about Harry Petty. I watched his highlights package. He was very good, without being elite. Realistically, what pick he would go? Has he been mention in the top 30?
 

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Coffield has the least risk of the pick 6 selections. He has a position off a half back flank for us. He has a future spot in midfield. He's tall, agile, quick, skilled and a good decision maker. He'd play from round 1 for us.

I also like Balta because he has a great mix of attributes with his speed, marking, ground level game and the depth in his kicking. His positional scope makes him less of a risk. He has potential as a forward but as a minimum will be a key defender. And we need both.

The question marks over Stephensons kicking make me nervous and I don't think we have a mix that can absorb another poor kick. That said Dangerfield and Fyfe are shit kicks too and they're both guns. But i'd steer clear.

I really like Fogarty as a list fit if he makes it as a tall mobile forward. But I reckon he is an intercept defender, big bodied midfielder before that. And there is inherent risk in his injuries. I'm a bit scarred by the Scharenberg experience. We can't wait that long.

I still reckon we should go Balta to provide insurance for the possibility we don't get Lynch. So we aren't disadvantaged at key position by that gamble.

However I can see us risking it on Coffield and going after Lynch next year. That would be such a huge coup for us those two. I really like Coffield and could accept it, but still reckon we need to go key position.
Good post bud.

I would be happy with Balta but it's a risk. There are still some flaws in his game that worry me. Brander for mine is still the best key position player in the draft.

Love Coffield what CFC will see is a kid that could play immediately and improve their balk transition significantly.

Don't agree re Stephenson kicking, if anything probably a bit aggressive at times but he opens the game up. For mine I'd love us to take him. He's that explosive type we don't have. I think he might go before our selection.

Agree with you on Fogarty.

The other two I think we should in our frame are Cerra and Bonar. I think Cerra a chance to slip and Bonar be a big riser.
 

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Good post bud.

I would be happy with Balta but it's a risk. There are still some flaws in his game that worry me. Brander for mine is still the best key position player in the draft.

Love Coffield what CFC will see is a kid that could play immediately and improve their balk transition significantly.

Don't agree re Stephenson kicking, if anything probably a bit aggressive at times but he opens the game up. For mine I'd love us to take him. He's that explosive type we don't have. I think he might go before our selection.

Agree with you on Fogarty.

The other two I think we should in our frame are Cerra and Bonar. I think Cerra a chance to slip and Bonar be a big riser.
What do you see as Baltas issues?

I'll defer to you judgment on Stephenson. Didak was another who was a good kick that turned it over a lot because he was aggressive with his decision making. It created havoc. I do question if another iffy kick is someone we can afford to have just because our midfield already has poor users. Treloar, Adams, Greenwood.

What do you see as Branders big advantage over other key positions in this draft?

Where do you see Bonar finding his best position at AFL?
 

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I'm a passive observer of this thread, and I remember a poster talking about Harry Petty. I watched his highlights package. He was very good, without being elite. Realistically, what pick he would go? Has he been mention in the top 30?
I'd love to get Petty. One of my favourites in this draft. Phantoms seem to have him somewhere between 25-40.
 
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I'm a passive observer of this thread, and I remember a poster talking about Harry Petty. I watched his highlights package. He was very good, without being elite. Realistically, what pick he would go? Has he been mention in the top 30?
One of the harder ones to place. He could fall to pick 40 but wouldnt be slipping past there
 

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What do you see as Baltas issues?

I'll defer to you judgment on Stephenson. Didak was another who was a good kick that turned it over a lot because he was aggressive with his decision making. It created havoc. I do question if another iffy kick is someone we can afford to have just because our midfield already has poor users. Treloar, Adams, Greenwood.

What do you see as Branders big advantage over other key positions in this draft?

Where do you see Bonar finding his best position at AFL?
That's an interesting perspective. There were times mid to late season when it looked like we were trying to execute the perfect play every time we took possession. Sometimes chaos balls I50 are the most damaging!

I've seen a few people reference his low efficiency by foot so I'd also love to see his heat maps. I think Pie4life mentioned 48% by foot which on the surface is poor, but if he's winning a lot of contested ball from 50-80 metres from goal that number is fine, IMO. Realistically if you hit a target in that range at 48% it's a 20% improvement on our I50 conversion for 2017. If it's in a role off half back or he gets a lot of uncontested footy that's a concern, but in and of itself that isn't a concern given how I think we'd use him for his first 80-100 games.
 

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I'd love to get Petty. One of my favourites in this draft. Phantoms seem to have him somewhere between 25-40.
One of the harder ones to place. He could fall to pick 40 but wouldnt be slipping past there
Surely, we have to be keen with out 36. Any particular reason why he's rated that low in an "average draft"?
 

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Regarding Stephenson I believe that his kicking is a bit hot and cold. His technique seems good off the videos though so a lot of it appears to be composure or degree of difficulty (because he takes it on).

I didn't see the game but I note from others that in that allstar game on GF weekend where he was BOG that his kicking was described by some as a highlight.
 

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Surely, we have to be keen with out 36. Any particular reason why he's rated that low in an "average draft"?
No idea. Maybe it's because Petty is a shut down defender and has no other positional scope. Personally if he does his one role well i'm happy. Or perhaps there is something else about his game that you need to be watching more footy to pick up. I suspect he's just undervalued by the punters and he's actually higher rated. I'd take him over guys like Claravino who lacks pace for example.
 

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Regarding Stephenson I believe that his kicking is a bit hot and cold. His technique seems good off the videos though so a lot of it appears to be composure or degree of difficulty (because he takes it on).

I didn't see the game but I note from others that in that allstar game on GF weekend where he was BOG that his kicking was described by some as a highlight.
Less pressure in those games. It would have to be a concern if Stephensons kicking deteriorates under pressure. He'll get plenty of that at AFL level. I'd like to hear from the draft watchers if that's a fair assessment? I may be off the mark.

I'm not meaning to be down on him as a player, because I really like what he offers, but his kicking is a question mark for me.
 

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No idea. Maybe it's because Petty is a shut down defender and has no other positional scope. Personally if he does his one role well i'm happy. Or perhaps there is something else about his game that you need to be watching more footy to pick up. I suspect he's just undervalued by the punters and he's actually higher rated. I'd take him over guys like Claravino who lacks pace for example.
Just watched his draft combine video, and his kicking is probably the most questionable aspect of his game.
 

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Ben Miller's results will see clubs go back and have a look at his game. The West Australian key position prospect was equal winner of the agility test and ran 2.91 seconds in the sprint, while he also kicked a perfect score in the goalkicking. He arrived as a likely later pick or rookie, but that movement for a 196cm prospect is hard to find.

Abstract from an AFL article. Anyone got any information/video?
 
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Ben Miller's results will see clubs go back and have a look at his game. The West Australian key position prospect was equal winner of the agility test and ran 2.91 seconds in the sprint, while he also kicked a perfect score in the goalkicking. He arrived as a likely later pick or rookie, but that movement for a 196cm prospect is hard to find.

Abstract from an AFL article. Anyone got any information/video?
Come on mate you're supposed to be the investigator!
 

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Surely, we have to be keen with out 36. Any particular reason why he's rated that low in an "average draft"?
Like Quicky said he only plays one role and its one thats slowly dying out at AFL level. Ive also heard (dont quote me though) hes got a pretty average attitude towards training and dieting
 

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Is Aaron Naughton a possibility at 6? I have heard he is the best natural key defender in the draft, although he is a WA boy so go home factor provides a risk.

I haven't spent a great deal of time watching many highlights packages but 6 for me is Balta
 
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