Game Day 2017 National Draft

[jmac70]

Yeah ok.. zero credibility to the Melbourne FC for offloading a star.

You are quite within your rights to disagree with the club’s drafting decisions. For your opinion to be credible though you will have to post your selections at each pick.

 

[sr36]

For the most part I agree, but let’s say this is hypothetically the case;
Ruck: We rate Lynch and feel comfortable enough with Cox as our #2.
KPD: We take Sam Collins as a rookie before the Saints, and simply didn’t rate the key defenders after Naughton.
KPF: We have an in-principle agreement with Tom Lynch for 2019 and beyond.

Would that make you feel any better?

The one's we may have rated didn't make it to us.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

I think that Kelly is a key defender, who the club mite take

Correctamundo.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

The one's we may have rated didn't make it to us.

I was keen on Petty but it was obvious that if Murphy was there at #39 we’d take him, and in the end Petty went two picks earlier anyway.

 

[left at home]

Correctamundo.

So next year the club will go for talls?

 

[jjsmitty8]

So I just just watched the draft (I had to record it because I was at work), I was really keen on Fogarty but I can live with Stephenson. I know it's not so much an issue for the Vic clubs, but I'm okay with taking the Vic kid and leaving Fogarty in SA (yes, I know it makes no difference, we already have Scharenberg and Grundy as highly rated SA picks).

But anywho, I had a feeling we'd be the first team to pass. I'm not overly familiar with the list management aspect of draft day etc, but what's the deal with passing? What would our approach be for not making a pick?

 

[The Royal Sampler]

So next year the club will go for talls?

Well who knows how Lynch as a RFA will go, but it’s likely we’ll lose our first and we don’t have a second. So two thirds with which to try to match bids on Quaynor and Kelly... doesn’t leave much for chasing of anything!

 

[jc37]

The next 24 hours will say a lot.

My understanding is we can still delist players in the next 24 hours and add delisted free agents. So can probably add a lachlan hanson/crameri/spencer/collins type on a 1 year contract. We have 1 spot maybe 2 if they decide to delist Blair who I dont think has signed a new contract.

Obviously not using the last pick meant they probably felt there was not a player the thought worth justifying a 2 year contract on.

Happy we picked up best available in the draft.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

But anywho, I had a feeling we'd be the first team to pass. I'm not overly familiar with the list management aspect of draft day etc, but what's the deal with passing? What would our approach be for not making a pick?

Leave more money to front load Mayne’s contract?

Didn’t want to give anyone two years when we can give someone one as a rookie or DFA?

 

[Harambe Pie]

For the most part I agree, but let’s say this is hypothetically the case;
Ruck: We rate Lynch and feel comfortable enough with Cox as our #2.
KPD: We take Sam Collins as a rookie before the Saints, and simply didn’t rate the key defenders after Naughton.
KPF: We have an in-principle agreement with Tom Lynch for 2019 and beyond.

Would that make you feel any better?

Whilst I appreciate the effort to lift my spirits, Herr Sampler, I would feel a lot more comfortable knowing the club had been building to something with a little bit of forward thinking and planning. Overlooking deficiencies, plugging perceived holes with discarded recruits and throwing money at free agents (this is probably more directed at the Wells / Mayne scenario than Lynch) is not indicative of long term thinking or successful list management.

Richmond won a flag with one key forward. With Elliott, Fasolo, Hoskin -Elliott, DeGoey and possibly Kirby/Daicos and Stephenson up forward we can kick a winning score with the amount of service our midfield provides. Cox and Grundy both looked good up forward in the last couple of games and they are capable of kicking a goal or two whenever they are played there.

And yet, they still felt the need to go tall in the draft and recruit to fill an area of weakness on their list. They also had the best CHB and overall player in the competition, which probably counts for something .

The group of lads you have listed there are all extremely talented and could spearhead a terrific offence, but they present with a lot of question marks. Elliot's fitness, Fasolo's consistency, WHE's ability to break a game open. DeGoey is a star midfielder waiting to recieve the ball up forward, whilst Kirby and Daicos are still in their infancy. Yes, it is obviously possible to play a style of football which accentuates the skills of the group that we have and yes this group will improve, but surely it would be prudent to have invested in all facets of the list.

 

[left at home]

Well who knows how Lynch as a RFA will go, but it’s likely we’ll lose our first and we don’t have a second. So two thirds with which to try to match bids on Quaynor and Kelly... doesn’t leave much for chasing of anything!

Very true. Looks like some will be traded out.

 

[jjsmitty8]

Leave more money to front load Mayne’s contract?

Didn’t want to give anyone two years when we can give someone one as a rookie or DFA?

Lol don't ask me, I'm asking you!

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Lol don't ask me, I'm asking you!

D’oh!

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Whilst I appreciate the effort to lift my spirits, Herr Sampler, I would feel a lot more comfortable knowing the club had been building to something with a little bit of forward thinking and planning. Overlooking deficiencies, plugging perceived holes with discarded recruits and throwing money at free agents (this is probably more directed at the Wells / Mayne scenario than Lynch) is not indicative of long term thinking or successful list management.

Well our bone-headed trading was purportedly based on “flexibility” in matching bids for players next year; one of whom in Will Kelly looks like a key back. I don’t think it’s too long a bow to draw to suggest we didn’t rate anyone highly enough to diverge from a plan of (e.g.) Collins as a rookie, McLarty as the up-and-comer and Kelly for the 2018 draft.

 

[Quicky]

Rookie list has meant sweet FA to us in the past few years Quicky.

2012: Martin, Dwyer, Frost, Yagmoor & Ben Richmond
2013: Gault
2014: Manboob, Big Show (Abbott), Armstrong (lel), & Cox (hooray)
2015: Keeffe (banned), Smith (still with us, hardly a KPP), Thomas (banned), Golds & Wyatt
2016: McCarthy, Schade, Mackie & Lynch (somehow survived the cull)

Aside from reading like a who's who of AFL turds, it shows that we really havent put the rookie list to good use at all. Even the "projects" dont make it on for longer than a year generally.

I know. Fortunately we only really need some depth key position players. There are a few that can be break glass in case of emergency types.

 

[Quicky]

Well our bone-headed trading was purportedly based on “flexibility” in matching bids for players next year; one of whom in Will Kelly looks like a key back. I don’t think it’s too long a bow to draw to suggest we didn’t rate anyone highly enough to diverge from a plan of (e.g.) Collins as a rookie, McLarty as the up-and-comer and Kelly for the 2018 draft.

Which makes you wonder what the plan is for key forward. We're pitifully thin there with only Moore, Reid and Cox really up to it.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Which makes you wonder what the plan is for key forward. We're pitifully thin there with only Moore, Reid and Cox really up to it.

We’ve been pretty open about pursuing Lynch, right?

 

[domus]

Whilst I appreciate the effort to lift my spirits, Herr Sampler, I would feel a lot more comfortable knowing the club had been building to something with a little bit of forward thinking and planning. Overlooking deficiencies, plugging perceived holes with discarded recruits and throwing money at free agents (this is probably more directed at the Wells / Mayne scenario than Lynch) is not indicative of long term thinking or successful list management.



And yet, they still felt the need to go tall in the draft and recruit to fill an area of weakness on their list. They also had the best CHB and overall player in the competition, which probably counts for something .

The group of lads you have listed there are all extremely talented and could spearhead a terrific offence, but they present with a lot of question marks. Elliot's fitness, Fasolo's consistency, WHE's ability to break a game open. DeGoey is a star midfielder waiting to recieve the ball up forward, whilst Kirby and Daicos are still in their infancy. Yes, it is obviously possible to play a style of football which accentuates the skills of the group that we have and yes this group will improve, but surely it would be prudent to have invested in all facets of the list.

I'm hoping the simple answer to why we haven't chased a key forward is Tom Lynch.

 

[TradeDraft]

http://www.collingwoodfc.com.au/news/2017-11-24/pies-2017-draft-recap

 

[Quicky]

We’ve been pretty open about pursuing Lynch, right?

Yeah. I meant for the 2018 season. Surely we need some depth there just in case? I stopped watching the draft from about pick 70 but if Keitel, Close or Crameri are available you'd think we'd have interest. Jordan Butts as a rookie also but he's no immediate cover.

 

[wicksy]

Yeah ok.. zero credibility to the Melbourne FC for offloading a star.

You know he's not a star. You should also know he's not a dud. Don't be a d**k head.

 

[CFC2010]

Dunn and Goldsack were the reasons our biggest losing margin was only 6 goals.

Whether you lose by a point or 100 it is still a loss mate.

Not feeling the excitement as most are on here to be honest.

 

[wicksy]

So I just just watched the draft (I had to record it because I was at work), I was really keen on Fogarty but I can live with Stephenson. I know it's not so much an issue for the Vic clubs, but I'm okay with taking the Vic kid and leaving Fogarty in SA (yes, I know it makes no difference, we already have Scharenberg and Grundy as highly rated SA picks).

But anywho, I had a feeling we'd be the first team to pass. I'm not overly familiar with the list management aspect of draft day etc, but what's the deal with passing? What would our approach be for not making a pick?

Either take more rookies and pay them nothing or take nobody and also pay them nothing. Paying unders on cap in 2018 means we can pay more in 2019 for Lynch

 

[left at home]

Whether you lose by a point or 100 it is still a loss mate.

Not feeling the excitement as most are on here to be honest.

Do you know much about Murphy.

 

[CFC2010]

Do you know much about Murphy.

No I don't but the fact we are relying on two 30 year olds in defence and Moore an Cox up forward doesn't inspire me with confidence in 2018.

They better have Lynch signed sealed and delivered because this draft didn't rectify any of our team imbalance.

By the way all the best to the three new Pies. Looking forward to watching them play in the Black & White for many years to come.