2017 Non Crows AFL Discussion Thread

[Kane McGoodwin]

I can't figure that one out .....the topic of that phone conversation was irrelevant to the big picture? ....it does seem to be aimed at bringing Demetriou down, why i don't fully understand ?

Hird knew Demetriou had warned Essendon to self report, knowing what was coming.

Demetriou was sworn to keep it secret until the blackest day in sport announcement... but he didn't as wanted to protect the AFL the best he could by mitigating the damage.

Hird is far from innocent, but so is Demetriou...

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Hird knew Demetriou had warned Essendon to self report, knowing what was coming.

Demetriou was sworn to keep it secret until the blackest day in sport announcement... but he didn't as wanted to protect the AFL the best he could by mitigating the damage.

Hird is far from innocent, but so is Demetriou...

I agree ....but in the bigger scheme of things that situation was simply a distraction & more a battle of ego's

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

I agree ....but in the bigger scheme of things that situation was simply a distraction & more a battle of ego's

No doubt big egos involved, but it was where Hird really pissed off the Demetriou, as he was trying to use it as leverage to get his way... ironic given what Demetriou did should have mitigated Essendon's situation had they not decided to fight...

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Listen to the audio interview with Hirds father

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Really surprised that if your son is hospital with an overdose, why as a father you still haven't made the effort to see him .....even if you reside in Brisbane

 

[jenny61_99]

How is Dank still able to sell peptides?

Surely he should have been shutdown by now...

He can sell it to anyone he likes. Just can't now do it within a WADA compliant sport. As Wayne previously said, they aren't "illegal" drugs. http://mrcpeptides.com.au/

Still don't understand how they can sell drugs that aren't cleared by TGA.

 

[jenny61_99]

Really surprised that if your son is hospital with an overdose, why as a father you still haven't made the effort to see him .....even if you reside in Brisbane

So Tania asks for privacy and what does Hird senior do? FFS. I wonder if Hird senior is not in good health? That would be the only reason you wouldn't go and see your son, isn't it?

 

[WaynesWorld19]

So Tania asks for privacy and what does Hird senior do? FFS. I wonder if Hird senior is not in good health? That would be the only reason you wouldn't go and see your son, isn't it?

Did you listen to the audio interview ......very strange, matter of fact demeanor from Hird snr ?? ......not my idea of family, as my mother is very sick AP, hence my trips to Adelaide a every few weeks .....not convenient given my commitments, but hell it's family!!!

 

[jenny61_99]

I agree ....but in the bigger scheme of things that situation was simply a distraction & more a battle of ego's

When Demetriou and Evans came up with the "Hird has to stand down" approach, James was so incensed he threatened to take them to court. Remember the Caro story that said James was to be sacked that day? That's why he wasn't. He then decided "If I'm going, you are coming with me". I dislike Vlad immensely, but it was sheer stupidity to think you could take on the head of the AFL. His problem was Hird believed Vlad had tipped them off based on information he'd been given from the ACC. The thing was, the ACC report didn't mention the team. So the AFP cleared Demetriou of any wrong doing. IF the report had specifically mentioned the team by name, Demetriou could have done time behind bars. That's what Hird was pushing for. Unluckily for him, Demetriou and Evans were long time mates. No doubt Evans had mentioned to him the little problem they had with their sport's scientist back in August of 2012. So when the ACC came knocking, Demetriou knew immediately which team was involved, he didn't need to be told specifics. Funny thing is, Demetriou was only trying to protect the brands of both the AFL and Essendon. Hird couldn't see that.

 

[jenny61_99]

Did you listen to the audio interview ......very strange, matter of fact demeanor from Hird snr ?? ......not my idea of family, as my mother is very sick AP, hence my trips to Adelaide a every few weeks .....not convenient given my commitments, but hell it's family!!!

It doesn't really surprise me to be honest.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

When Demetriou and Evans came up with the "Hird has to stand down" approach, James was so incensed he threatened to take them to court. Remember the Caro story that said James was to be sacked that day? That's why he wasn't. He then decided "If I'm going, you are coming with me". I dislike Vlad immensely, but it was sheer stupidity to think you could take on the head of the AFL. His problem was Hird believed Vlad had tipped them off based on information he'd been given from the ACC. The thing was, the ACC report didn't mention the team. So the AFP cleared Demetriou of any wrong doing. IF the report had specifically mentioned the team by name, Demetriou could have done time behind bars. That's what Hird was pushing for. Unluckily for him, Demetriou and Evans were long time mates. No doubt Evans had mentioned to him the little problem they had with their sport's scientist back in August of 2012. So when the ACC came knocking, Demetriou knew immediately which team was involved, he didn't need to be told specifics. Funny thing is, Demetriou was only trying to protect the brands of both the AFL and Essendon. Hird couldn't see that.

This! .....plus IMO Evans also was trying to protect the Essendon Brand ....again Hird couldn't see past his own self interest

 

[WaynesWorld19]

It doesn't really surprise me to be honest.

May also explain Hird's somewhat aloof personality

 

[adelaidecrows]

I feel sorry for Hirds family, I really do in this.

However this is a bed of his own making. I was listening to Graham yesterday have another whinge about the whole drug saga and how James was innocent and how he wouldnt have known what was going on. He tried to argue how coaches wouldn't know what the sports scientists are doing etc. I call that a massive steaming pile of BS from graham. An AFL coach is a 6 day a week full time occupation. If they aren't having meetings and overseeing everything then f$%k me, what are they doing. You can't tell me, a coach whose job lives and dies on the performance of the team sits back, offers the occasional instruction to his sports scientist, high performance teams and then lets them go about their business. Seriously Graham Cornes can f%^k off from radio now. He is set in his footballers dont do drugs ways or they dont harm the game so they cant be suspended.

 

[GreyCrow]

Cornes argument would have some validity if Hird didn't drive the program. That's the one area in which there is no doubt. James Hird wanted this program to run and went over Reids head to make it happen.

James Hird can never use the excuse ''I didn't know'' or '' I was too busy''

 

[FR0GGY]

So hird senior says hird junior is fine? I haven't seen anyone in more denial since James.

 

[ad victoriam]

Who instigated the program? Who had the ultimate call as to wether it went ahead or was shut down?

In most football departments it would be Head of Football and High-performance manager and possibly the club Doctor who I would have expected would have done more than send an email to the club officials highlighting his concerns.
At Essendon, that was Dean Robinson, Danny Corcoran and Bruce Reid.
Remember all AFL players are on Diets, legal Supplements, the Coaches don't run those departments or programs yes they are involved at the meetings. Football at AFL a lot different today than in our day where the coach controlled everything.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

 

[footy4ever]

Essendon didn't self report.

I lose my excrement every time I hear "yeah but Essendon self-reported." Essendon did no such thing. Vlad made the phone call to tip them off (and denied this happened, the big fat liar) when Dean Robinson was present at an Essendon meeting. Robinson spilled the beans about the phone call. He was sacked and received $1m from EssendonFC for unfair dismissal. I'm guessing Essendon's reasons for sacking him weren't legitimate.

 

[jenny61_99]

In most football departments it would be Head of Football and High-performance manager and possibly the club Doctor who I would have expected would have done more than send an email to the club officials highlighting his concerns.
At Essendon, that was Dean Robinson, Danny Corcoran and Bruce Reid.
Remember all AFL players are on Diets, legal Supplements, the Coaches don't run those departments or programs yes they are involved at the meetings. Football at AFL a lot different today than in our day where the coach controlled everything.

Issue in this case, though, was that Hird met personally with Dank and Robinson - but without Reid. Dank was texting him personally - not Doc Reid. One piece of information that came out early on in the piece, and seem to have been glossed over, was Hird's meeting with a "Dr" in New York and enquiring about a testosterone cream that couldn't be detected. James initial response when asked this question was "absolutely not. I never met with a Dr in New York". Later on it came out that he had actually met with a pharmacist, not a dr. So while technically telling the truth - he hadn't met with a dr - he was only telling half truths. So why did he want a cream that couldn't be detected?

 

[footy4ever]

You use the word "illegal" just like Essendon. "We didn't take anything illegal". In the very next breath "We don't know what we took, but it was safe".

It beggars belief. We don't know what we took, but whatever we took, it was safe and legal??????????????

How can anyone, let alone Essendon supporters, think this is exonerating or any kind of justification. Truly gobsmacking.

 

[jenny61_99]

I lose my excrement every time I hear "yeah but Essendon self-reported." Essendon did no such thing. Vlad made the phone call to tip them off (and denied this happened, the big fat liar) when Dean Robinson was present at an Essendon meeting. Robinson spilled the beans about the phone call. He was sacked and received $1m from EssendonFC for unfair dismissal. I'm guessing Essendon's reasons for sacking him weren't legitimate.

Robinson was actually stood down on full pay. He finally quit because he wanted to do his one on one interview on Channel 7 and couldn't while he was still employed by Essendon. He later sued Essendon for being made the scapegoat of the entire saga and damages for lost reputation. Perhaps most interestingly, he subsequently landed a plum job with KPMG - the official auditors of, you guessed it, the AFL.

 

[Ozzie]

ASADA won't lay a charge before they investigate. He wanted them to "self-report" purely for optics. If ACC announced one club in the AFL had a systematic doping program, speculation would have been rife about who it was. This way Essendon are the good boys. They found out and reported it "straight away" to the AFL, and invited ASADA and the AFL to investigate. They then appoint Ziggy switzkowski (who just happened to be an Essendon coterie member) to conduct an internal review. Everything was spun to the enth degree. AFL also wanted to be able to use the fact that they "self-reported" to apply penalty reductions because they were cooperative.

This is what really gets up more nose. Lies started by Dimwit himself. The smarmy way he tried to make out EFC were such a courageous club and having to strip them of playing in the finals was such a harsh penalty. That IHO should have been punishment enough. BS I hope he dies a hard death, I absolutely loathe that pr!ck.

Then he turns around after he slammed us claiming we had the list to survive anything. Sanctimonous AH.

 

[jenny61_99]

I'll draw a parallel here.
If a homeowner gets a builder in to perform a task. It's the builders job to use the correct materials and use them in the correct manner. Mr. And Mrs. homeowner wouldn't have a clue if this is what's happening a lot of the time. There is a chance that Dank took liberties and told lies. Hird has played it pretty bad though and ended up being the face of this.

That would be true if Mr and Mrs homeowner weren't taking an active interest in the job and communicating with the builder on a regular basis.

 

[Geoffa32]

I'll draw a parallel here.
If a homeowner gets a builder in to perform a task. It's the builders job to use the correct materials and use them in the correct manner. Mr. And Mrs. homeowner wouldn't have a clue if this is what's happening a lot of the time. There is a chance that Dank took liberties and told lies. Hird has played it pretty bad though and ended up being the face of this.

The example I use is going to a Tax Accountant to do your taxes.

They prepare your return and offer advice. But you are the part responsible to the ATO if not done correctly by the accountant. You then sue them if they acted improperly

In this case the players and coaches are responsible for what Dank suggest they use and what drugs enter their bodies.

I am guessing the players won't sue Dank because he has watertight evidence that suggests the players were complicit in taking the banned substances

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[fabs33]

It's naive to believe Hird when he says he didn't know what Dank was doing, when all this was happening under his nose to forty odd players that he had contact with almost every day, and furthermore that he who was a chief proponent in pushing the boundaries and played an instrumental part in side lining the club doctor had no interest in any of the details of Dank's "experiments". He knew there was a strong likelihood that something illegal was going on, the warnings from the club doctor and Corcoran would have been sufficient to raise anyone's suspicions, but his ego driven pursuit of success led him to bury his head in the sand whilst the rest of him was neck deep in shit.

Hird's actions post revelation were all just an attempt at trying to save his own skin and he went to great lengths to do so.