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2017 - Non Freo Discussion

Discussion in 'Fremantle' started by Unique Name, Jan 16, 2017.

Put it out there
  1. Dirty_banchez

    Dirty_banchez Club Legend

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    I ******* hate the idea of a 18-4 season. ******* the fixture for more $$$.
     
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  2. BStaff17

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    I have never heard of something more ridiculous than this 17-5 and 18-4 rubbish. Whats the point of having finals if you rig the fixture of having the top 6 teams play each other for 5 weeks before the finals. It also makes the first 18 weeks pointless as you could basically tank and come 12th and get in finals becuase of what happens in the last 4 weeks.
     
  3. wayToGo_

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    Barrett gets a neutral mark from me this week.

    -1 for the dumb Balic speculation regurgitation

    ... and ...

    +1 for an actual positive sliding doors entry (still not convinced he wrote it)

    If Fyfe, who is doing more than OK by the way, can actually get back to near his 2015 brute dominance ... then ... the Dockers can lock in finals. Loving the arrogance of Brad Hill, Walter's new role, the progress of McCarthy, the coolness of Mundy.
     
  4. Kram

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  5. BStaff17

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    Best of luck to matty de boer this week making his giants debut.
     
  6. WeaselWJ

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    He's replacing Devon Smith who's out with knee surgery... man their injury list is enormous now. Would be great for them to win it this year in the face of that.
     
  7. wayToGo_

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  8. meima

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  9. Tayl0r

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    A four year draftee contract won't stop a club trading a player, Fagan just wants more leverage.

    The issue for me is that longer rookie contracts limits the earning space for players, they need to be signed to real money contracts so that is why I expect the AFLPA would require the four year first round pick contract to be at the AFL average pay.

    ..now imagine you are a club with four or five first round picks in a draft, you need to find 15% of your salary cap for just those players you will take and you're stuck with that for four years, potentially 60% of your cap rolling through your constant first round picks.

    Clubs will sell their late firsts for early seconds for nothing.
     
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  10. Freo Dr

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    I do not wish injury on any player but it will not make me feel great for GWS if they overcome that because of their ridiculous depth of talent thanks to AFL concessions to still win a flag. It might feel better if it means the AFL is quicker to scale those concessions back and we get back to levelish playing field.
     
  11. Freo Dr

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    Fagan has a valid point - you get no return on players in the first two years. Typically players in their first two years become average output players for some of their second year. They are mostly potential for what they could become so non-Vic clubs in particular lose out badly after two years if they leave because they have no leverage and had got no real benefit. Look at us if we lost Balic this year for example.

    Said something similar before but maybe if they want to go home at the end of two years they do not get to choose the club at all as long the club offering the best deal is in their home state. After say their first contract extension to the initial club that drafted them then they get to nominate.
     
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  12. Clems Knee

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    Agree with Fagan's point. I would like all initial contracts to be three years - gives the club a chance to get a return on their investment, and the players a chance to settle in.

    But I also think that no extensions should be signed in the first year. I feel that some clubs put a form of pressure on their young recruits to extend, often before they've played a game.
     
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  13. youmewe

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    The 'Coerce and manipulate Mild cowering Candidates ' clause aka the 'CamMcC' clause.
     
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  14. tigger_ferret

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    I like some of the things the NFL does with rookie contracts, basically all rookies salaries are dependant on what number they are drafted with a minimum length (4 years) then teams have a 5th year option, before the player can become a free agent.

    Something similar in the AFL could work, maybe 3 year initial contracts and a 4th year option for the clubs, initial salaries may also be slotted at higher than current rookie contracts. This would give the players some guarantees and also allows the clubs to take a little longer in developing players
     
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  15. Kram

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    Yeah but in the NFL a lot of that money from those contracts isn't guaranteed, is it?
     
  16. Nickos66

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    Fagan's just getting nervous about Josh Schache heading home. Try creating a culture and environment that kids want to stay with instead of lamenting the fact that they don't want to say. Their facilities are a joke. And another thing, is anyone stopping them from offering their draftees immediate extensions like other clubs do...??
     
  17. mike91

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    Disagree. Fagan is bang on, though I think it should it should be a three year contract. We could and probably will lose Balic this year, guaranteed we'll get unders. It's bs and the AFL refuses to do anything about it. Shache will probably leave and Brisbane just wasted 2 years for 0 return and it pushes there rebuild back.
     
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  18. johnthegardener

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    I really wonder if we will lose Balic this year. Especially when you take in the fact that Fremantle spend a lot of time & money in getting his wrist right and were quite happy to keep him on contract for a full year without virtually any return.
     
  19. Keys

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    The AFLPA are pushing for greater player mobility through free agency. One of the unintended side effects has been an increasing tendency for players wanting to move before they qualify for FA and nominating their preferred club in the process

    The players can do this because they have the safety net of not having to go anywhere they don't agree to

    One of the solutions to players looking to leave, particularly early in their career like Schache, is to enable clubs to trade players to the club that offers the better trade provided the contract value is equivalent to the players preferred destination
     
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  20. danstar

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    Fagan what a campaigner only finds a voice for footy issues now had plenty of opportunities to share his opinion at the Hawks and didnt.... Deadset flog
     
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    Amamzing goal from Dangerfield - hard on the boundary line and kicked it with his left. Just amazing.
     
  22. Righteo

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    Cockatoo out for the game should prove to be significant
     
  23. Harry Reems

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    Did Rick Hardon just refer to Josh Hill as a "Superstar"?
     
  24. Gussman

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    Geelong currently on 50 tackles in a quarter and a half. 10 more then what they had the entire Essendon game.

    Definitely a different team out there.
     
  25. youmewe

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    You're right. They're much better off without him.:grinning: