2017 - Non Freo Discussion

Discussion in 'Fremantle' started by Unique Name, Jan 16, 2017.

Put it out there
  1. youmewe

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    A picture of concentration.

    For all his knockabout persona, Plugger was the ultimate professional when lining up a goal.

    If I had to have someone kicking for goal to save my life, I'd choose Plugger.
    (Former Perth player Murray Couper if it had to be a 50m snap over the shoulder on the wrong foot.
    Another former Perth player, John Quartermaine, if it had to be a 70m drop kick to a moving target).
     

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  2. theGav56

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    Didn't Plugger do that hair loss treatment program? Seems to have lost the kilos instead.
     
  3. wild side

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    I'd say so.
     
  4. Sweetback

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    Is anyone really surprised? We have the least intuitive game plan in the league.
     
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    Mayne has been very savage, now Barlow. Even Hamling called RTB old school this week.
     
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    Just confirming what a lot of us suspected isn't it? Ross isn't adapting with the game, he's stuck in his old ways. This is shown at team selection imo. How can you suggest we need better ball movement from our back half, yet pick Dawson??
     
  7. Tayl0r

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    That question appears to imply that we would have better on field results with Dawson replaced by Crozier or similar more able kick but I don't think any of them are tall but you obviously don't mean it so simply.
     
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    Yep. I suggest we approach the club and ask if Ross can be replaced by a panel of experts from Big Footy, because it seems there are many on here with a much greater understanding of the game than Ross.
     
  9. Crippa

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    I'm going to pretend I didn't hear Hamling say that RTB's "old school" and that's "exciting". I prefer the version where there was a series of savage attacks, culminating in the ultimate insult.
     
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    Yes exactly - unless my understanding of the English language has deteriorated dramatically I am fairly certain Hamling meant it positively. As in getting back to basics of high intensity contested football... Exactly what the Dogs play and imo they have copied our "old school" style from early 2015.
     
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    That was how I understood it.
     
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    I think is neither positive nor negative . Rather giving a doubt to reader like fyfe contract extension situation.

    He can't have a go at his previous employer as they won a flag , he look a bit of a loser if he criticism he current employer so early before rd 1.

    Ross situation is a bit like morihno right now .

    Beveridge already a step ahead willing to mix clarkson and ross game style. Who know? maybe is the willingness to mix it up help him win the flag . As they beat Sydney ( more of ross school) and GWS( more of clarkson school).
     
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    Gotta try harder to get a misconstruction...as some famous bloke said..." there is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so.”
     
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    I don't think it would be a surprise to any of our supporters that RTB would be described as more structured/defensive and less flexible than most coaches. Its what he believes in and it has got him to more wins than most but not the ultimate prize.

    Also relates to why not many new recruits getting a game early because they have to know the structures before than can be considered.
     
  15. DeanS

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    How is this NON-Freo discussion?
     
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    Because he no longer plays for Freo and it started a discussion?


    I'd heard a few reports about Micky B's shoulder being rooted and that was one of the catalysts for his delisting. When you're in a rebuild, you don't carry a player when medical advice is they'll likely not play again (Clarke being an exception, but he wasn't as injured during trade period)
     
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    I've posted on this before to say that I think it would've been one of the club's most difficult decisions and had any one of his contract/injury status or age been different we may have seen another outcome.
    At the minute Connor has taken Micky's old spot and is about 21 so the long term upside is far greater.
    Mick has moved on and our supporters should do themselves the club and Mick the favour of following suit.
    He's in a much better position in terms of where he sits on the list he's on.
     
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    Plugger for me as well. Murray Couper was a gem - defined the old chestnut "knows where the goals are". I think he played with the last really good team Perth had, which is pretty bad considering I was a teenager then and now I'm really old!
     
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    What im saying is that dawson isnt the future. Lyon has been ruthless with everyone else considered in that boat. This simply must be his last year at the club, considering his contract will be up. Under the old game style he was serviceable, he is now a liability.
     
  20. youmewe

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    Couper had the misfortune of having a bomb detonate near him whilst he was serving in Vietnam. It left him with an unfortunate looking face. Boy could he kick.

    I remember a game at Perth Oval one day where the Demons had the game wrapped up mid way through the second quarter (which they did often in those days). Couper took a mark, went back and drilled a goal from about 60m on the LHF flank, on his natural right foot. The ball sailed over the goal umpire's hat about half goal post height. A group of East Perth supporters yelled abuse and made some contentious comments about Couper's nose and breeding in general.

    A couple of minutes later Couper took another mark in roughly the same spot although much nearer the boundary. Couper's hecklers let him have it whilst he was lining up the kick. He stopped, reset himself for the shot and booted it over the goal umpire's hat, top of the goal post height...with his left foot.

    To be fair, the Royals supporters were generous in their applause, then went back to abusing him for the rest of the afternoon.
     
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    Yep, goal kicking like that would be regarded as freakish today, yet while Couper was exceptional there were plenty of forwards who could really kick, Warren Ralph and Simon Beasley spring immediately to mind. The one area of the game that has gone nowhere in more than 30 years.
     
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    I used to like him precisely for that reason. Opposition supporters would give it to him but he'd never let it get to him onfield - although I think there's an anecdotal story about him catching up with an opposition supporter after a game in a footy ground car park or vice versa. Was he a copper?

    Near the end of his career Couper played a season at East Perth - so that must have been pretty hard to stomach for those supporters - although nowhere near as cruel as Archie Duda playing for the Demons.

    Jacko claims that he taught Plugger how to set up his kicking at goal routine.
     
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    Wouldn't surprise me. Jacko's goal kicking stats are pretty amazing.

    Melbourne: 41 games for 152 goals
    St Kilda: 10 games for 41 goals.
    Geelong: 31 games for 115 goals.

    An uncle of mine who watched him play says that Jacko was one of the most naturally gifted footballers he saw. Such a shame such gifts were bestowed on a complete lunatic. Could have been one of the best forwards of our game if he had the right mentality.
     
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    Jacko wasn't particularly gifted. He was good in a one-on-one contest (very strong) and yes, certainly could kick. But he was quite immobile - in the modern game would be rebounded on relentlessly - and, as noted, wasn't mentally strong. The elite WAFL and VFL defenders worked him out pretty quickly. South's sacking him led directly to three GF appearances.