Draft Review 2017 - Revisit the 2017 AFL draft

HeHateMe · Nov 27, 2019

All my comments since mid year have been about exposure form. I've mentioned it frequently.

Why are you quoting me if you're not even talking about the points I've made in this thread.

You have lost the plot.

Slysh · Nov 27, 2019

Tig017 said:
Exposed form?
Did you not read what I said? What is it about "If this draft were done today" you are having difficulties understanding, my Hawthorn supporting friend?

It's pretty funny when you have no argument that you need to piggy-back on a Geelong player to cling onto your e-pride.

Or maybe he isn't clinging to anything and he just thinks that Tim Kelly is... You know... The best player from the draft.

Foucault1989 · Nov 27, 2019

Naughton, Kelly, Stephenson and Taylor are the absolute standouts thus far. Looks like a solid draft

HeHateMe · Nov 27, 2019

Very solid draft this one.

Procrastinator35 · Nov 27, 2019

Worpel by the length of the Flemington straight.....And a couple of other also rans named Naughton & Stephenson to fill the minor placings.

Perhaps one day they can win a club B&F also....Both have a lot of catching-up to do however.

Here are Worpedo's stats for 2019.

Hawthorn - 2019
Gm	Opponent	Rd	R	#	KI	MK	HB	DI	GL	BH	HO	TK	RB	IF	CL	CG	FF	FA	BR	CP	UP	CM	MI	1%	BO	GA	%P
12	Adelaide	1	W	5	16	4	11	27	2			3	2	8	5	7	1	2	2	12	14			2	1		76
13	Western Bulldogs	2	L	5	14	5	11	25				6	3	3	7	5		2		11	13					1	83
14	North Melbourne	3	W	5	8	1	19	27		1				3	8	4		2		13	15			1	1	2	79
15	St Kilda	4	L	5	15	4	10	25		1		4	2	5	7	2	1	1		11	12			2	2		81
16	Geelong	5	L	5	15	6	9	24	1			4	2	5	8	4	1	1		13	10			1	1		71
17	Carlton	6	W	5	11	2	10	21				8	1	2	2	6	1	2		14	10			5			75
18	Melbourne	7	L	5	11	2	13	24		1		6	1	4	2	8	1	1		11	14			2	1		78
19	Greater Western Sydney	8	W	5	8	2	14	22		1		5		2	4	4	1	2		11	9			1			85
20	Richmond	9	L	5	11	6	15	26				7	4	2	2	4	1	1		9	18						85
21	Port Adelaide	10	W	5	9	3	17	26	1			6		5	2	7		3		10	15			1		1	85
22	Brisbane Lions	11	L	5	18	3	7	25				5	1	7	3	3	2			6	17	1					73
23	Essendon	13	L	5	18	6	16	34		1		2	1	8	7	3		1		9	25			2			81
24	Sydney	14	L	5	7	1	12	19				6	1		6	2				10	8			2			82
25	West Coast	15	L	5	15		8	23	1	1		9	2	5	9	2	1			13	8			1		1	67
26	Collingwood	16	W	5	18	2	5	23	1			4	2	4	7	4	2	2		10	11			1			77
27	Fremantle	17	W	5	21	5	12	33				4	3	3	9	4			1	15	18		1	2		1	76
28	Geelong	18	W	5	10	4	14	24	1			4	1	3	4	2		1		13	13		1	1			86
29	Brisbane Lions	19	L	5	17	4	17	34				3	1	6	7	5		1		14	18			1			82
30	North Melbourne	20	L	5	21	5	16	37		1		5	3	6	11	5	1	2	1	15	21	1				2	84
31	Greater Western Sydney	21	W	5	22	2	9	31		1		6	3	5	8	3	2		3	14	15		1	1		1	82
32	Gold Coast	22	W	5	16	3	18	34	2

Heaps of fun · Nov 27, 2019

Procrastinator35 said:
Worpel by the length of the Flemington straight.....And a couple of other also rans named Naughton & Stephenson to fill the minor placings.

Perhaps one day they can win a club B&F also....Both have a lot of catching-up to do however.

Here are Worpedo's stats for 2019.

Gm
Opponent
Rd R # KI MK HB DI GL BH HO TK RB IF CL CG FF FA BR CP UP CM MI 1% BO GA %P
Hawthorn - 2019
12
Adelaide
1
W
5
16
4
11
27
2
3
2
8
5
7
1
2
2
12
14
2
1
76
13
Western Bulldogs
2
L
5
14
5
11
25
6
3
3
7
5
2
11
13
1
83
14
North Melbourne
3
W
5
8
1
19
27
1
3
8
4
2
13
15
1
1
2
79
15
St Kilda
4
L
5
15
4
10
25
1
4
2
5
7
2
1
1
11
12
2
2
81
16
Geelong
5
L
5
15
6
9
24
1
4
2
5
8
4
1
1
13
10
1
1
71
17
Carlton
6
W
5
11
2
10
21
8
1
2
2
6
1
2
14
10
5
75
18
Melbourne
7
L
5
11
2
13
24
1
6
1
4
2
8
1
1
11
14
2
1
78
19
Greater Western Sydney
8
W
5
8
2
14
22
1
5
2
4
4
1
2
11
9
1
85
20
Richmond
9
L
5
11
6
15
26
7
4
2
2
4
1
1
9
18
85
21
Port Adelaide
10
W
5
9
3
17
26
1
6
5
2
7
3
10
15
1
1
85
22
Brisbane Lions
11
L
5
18
3
7
25
5
1
7
3
3
2
6
17
1
73
23
Essendon
13
L
5
18
6
16
34
1
2
1
8
7
3
1
9
25
2
81
24
Sydney
14
L
5
7
1
12
19
6
1
6
2
10
8
2
82
25
West Coast
15
L
5
15
8
23
1
1
9
2
5
9
2
1
13
8
1
1
67
26
Collingwood
16
W
5
18
2
5
23
1
4
2
4
7
4
2
2
10
11
1
77
27
Fremantle
17
W
5
21
5
12
33
4
3
3
9
4
1
15
18
1
2
1
76
28
Geelong
18
W
5
10
4
14
24
1
4
1
3
4
2
1
13
13
1
1
86
29
Brisbane Lions
19
L
5
17
4
17
34
3
1
6
7
5
1
14
18
1
82
30
North Melbourne
20
L
5
21
5
16
37
1
5
3
6
11
5
1
2
1
15
21
1
2
84
31
Greater Western Sydney
21
W
5
22
2
9
31
1
6
3
5
8
3
2
3
14
15
1
1
1
82
32
Gold Coast
22
W
5
16
3
18
34
2

Would take Stephenson and Naughton first.

HeHateMe · Nov 28, 2019

Heaps of fun said:
Would take Stephenson and Naughton first.

Good players Stephenson and Naughton, I had the 1 and 2 if I was picking for potential and exposed form. Had them 3 and 4 just on exposed form.

Have you posted a list yet?

Edit: just dont follow tig017 lead and say daylight between the top 2 and Tim Kelly.

Slysh · Nov 28, 2019

Anyone acting like Naughton, Worpel, Kelly and Stephenson aren’t all in the discussion for the best from this draft is kidding themselves. Comes largely down to needs but they are all outstanding prospects.

Bestbird · Dec 2, 2019

Based on Potential/Output and not including over agers.

1. Naughton
2. Raynor
3. Stephenson
4. O Allen
5 Taylor
6. Fogarty
7. Brayshaw
8. Worpel
9. Miers
10. Clark

Heaps of fun · Dec 2, 2019

BJK#5 said:
Anyone acting like Naughton, Worpel, Kelly and Stephenson aren’t all in the discussion for the best from this draft is kidding themselves. Comes largely down to needs but they are all outstanding prospects.

Worpel just seems like an early bloomer of a midfielder. Not that special of a prospect at all. Really torches the footy.

Slysh · Dec 3, 2019

Heaps of fun said:
Worpel just seems like an early bloomer of a midfielder. Not that special of a prospect at all. Really torches the footy.

Has incredibly similar numbers to Ben Cunnington in just his 2nd season of AFL... You must not rate Ben

DanA · Dec 3, 2019

For me:
1. Naughton
2. Kelly
3. Stephenson
4. Worpol

Then a fairly big margin to the rest

Heaps of fun · Dec 3, 2019

BJK#5 said:
Has incredibly similar numbers to Ben Cunnington in just his 2nd season of AFL... You must not rate Ben

Numbers aren't everything.

Slysh · Dec 3, 2019

Heaps of fun said:
Numbers aren't everything.

No but he was not just putting up big numbers, he was also attracting a tag towards the end of the year which would suggest he was rated by the opposition coaches. Won a B&F in his 2nd season. Polled 35 coaches votes in the last 7 games of the season.

He was carrying a huge load and going head to head with some of the best midfielders in the competition. Not many 2nd year inside mids manage that, who knows where he will end up in this Draft class in 10 years but what he has done so far is definitely pretty special because it is very rare.

Heaps of fun · Dec 3, 2019

BJK#5 said:
No but he was not just putting up big numbers, he was also attracting a tag towards the end of the year which would suggest he was rated by the opposition coaches. Won a B&F in his 2nd season. Polled 35 coaches votes in the last 7 games of the season.

He was carrying a huge load and going head to head with some of the best midfielders in the competition. Not many 2nd year inside mids manage that, who knows where he will end up in this Draft class in 10 years but what he has done so far is definitely pretty special because it is very rare.

Yeah, he was good this year. Doubt he ends up a special player overall. Just seems like a good inside mid that sprays the footy.

HeHateMe · Dec 4, 2019

Heaps of fun said:
Yeah, he was good this year. Doubt he ends up a special player overall. Just seems like a good inside mid that sprays the footy.

Once Lenny Hayes was thought of in this light.

I much rather rate players on exposed form rather something so arbitrary such as potential ceilings. But the league is riddled with players who smash through these ceilings. If worps can or cant that's up to him.

Warhorse · Dec 9, 2019

Ben Cannington is probably a good comparison to what worpel will become a very very good player but just outside the absolute elite. Very good outcome when you look at where he was taken

FD2646 · Jan 11, 2020

Can't wait to see Adam Cerra play much more midfield minutes as opposed to half back or half forward....he has significant upside imo.

dajesmac · Feb 18, 2020

Snuffaluphagus · Feb 21, 2020

dajesmac said:

I probably shouldnt comment without hearing sound but in no universe do we take LDU ahead of Brayshaw if the draft was re-done at this stage.

Given AB will be starting midfield for the rest of the year, I'm confident that wont change by the start of next year either

Cyclops · Feb 21, 2020

I love young Stevo, terrific combination of pace and endurance plus skill. Worpel has done more to date by being B tier for most of his games but does not enter discussion with Kelly Stephenson or Raynor for class. As much as I rate Stephenson (his first quarter vs WC in the GF had me with tears in my eyes) I think Raynor was correctly rated the top pick and is an absolutely terrifying prospect. I expect Stevo and Raynor will be as good as Kelly which is saying a lot, the boy is a gun. Haven't seen enough of Naughton but he's obviously class as well.

Snuffaluphagus · Feb 21, 2020

Going to be interesting from a Freo perspective where Brayshaw and Cerra are at the end of the year. Both look like they'll be starting midfielders with Fyfe if pre-season is anything to go by. We'll know a lot more about how we went in the draft by round 22

aussierulesrules · Feb 21, 2020

Hunter Clark continuing his form from the 2nd half of last year and looking ridiculously good. Just oozes class.

Now has something resembling an AFL body, too.

Snuffaluphagus · Feb 21, 2020

aussierulesrules said:
Hunter Clark continuing his form from the 2nd half of last year and looking ridiculously good. Just oozes class.

Now has something resembling an AFL body, too.

He looks terrific, he's on my DT draft short list this year for players that others will miss and I can get cheap

StCicatriz · Feb 22, 2020

Snuffaluphagus said:
Going to be interesting from a Freo perspective where Brayshaw and Cerra are at the end of the year. Both look like they'll be starting midfielders with Fyfe if pre-season is anything to go by. We'll know a lot more about how we went in the draft by round 22

I hope they ease Cerra in. I think he needs a bit more time off HBF

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