Position 2017 Rucks

[Chism]

You're projecting figures on something he's never done. Ever. Purely on the basis that his has a starting job as the Suns r1. That is called hope or wishful thinking.

ive seen him numerous times 'live' as our solo ruckman. He is hopeless. Dunno what else to say.

Seriously good luck if that's the path you choose. I can't engage in anymore Witts SUPERCOACH talk. The two don't match. Oil n water.

He averaged 72/73 sharing the ruck load with Grundy 50/50 FFS at a younger age.

You are kidding yourself if you think this point margin is going backwards, but you start with Ryder if it makes you happy and good luck.

You guys are just salty cause he played for you and has gone hence the pissing contest and denial that he can score 80pts a game now and make a team money.

 

[Falchoon]

The thing that puts me off hickey is Billy Longer.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Billy get a chance this year and if he plays well hickey may find it hard to get back in.

We are blessed with two best 22 ruckmen, but cursed that we can't structure up with 2 of them in the same side.

If the club is looking to move one on at the end of the year (most likely Billy at this stage) then his value will increase significantly if he plays a few games.

Too many unknowns for me

Ryder a lock at R2 for me.

If in doubt Ryder is the man, take a couple of weeks to get a feel for the ruck roles, if anyone pops up, move Ryder to the forward line.

 

[Moustachio]

It's a wash. Either way you have a SP and a rookie (figuratively speaking)

Goldy 110 & rookie 65 (total cap $711k) vs
Witts 70 & $550k mid 105 (cap $767k)

The first rookie will make more money for you AND you have still have $55k extra in the bank.

Every time you post a hypothetical Witts score it decreases :S Hard to see how he wouldn't be at 80 as solo ruck and probably fittest he's been, spud though he is.

I see him making a little less cash than say Swallow, but he frees up more starting cash and also a mid slot (if you were otherwise taking Swallow). Mid spots are crucial this year due to so many good picks, rucks not so much.

Then again Witts would violate my firm policy of no shitpricks this year so not sure I can make myself go there =p

 

[markm106]

Surely you spend the extra 30k for a possible 110 avg from Stef

Yep have Stef at R2.

 

[adammania9]

I dumped Stef because he has the same bye as Gawn so I've bailed on Adams in the back line to make room for Grundy at R2 because I couldn't possibly have 5 players from one team (Pies)

 

[Moustachio]

He averaged 72/73 sharing the ruck load with Grundy 50/50 FFS at a younger age.

You are kidding yourself if you think this point margin is going backwards, but you start with Ryder if it makes you happy and good luck.

You guys are just salty cause he played for you and has gone hence the pissing contest and denial that he can score 80pts a game now and make a team money.

Trust me, nobody is salty he's gone. The only 2 people comparable in feeling of "gtfo of this club", to Witts, are Cloke and Bucks. One to go!

 

[markm106]

I dumped Stef because he has the same bye as Gawn so I've bailed on Adams in the back line to make room for Grundy at R2 because I couldn't possibly have 5 players from one team (Pies)

Agree having 5 players from one team is dangerous. However the two rucks having same bye shouldn't be a huge issue. Particularly if you have Ryder in the forwards.

 

[Moustachio]

I dumped Stef because he has the same bye as Gawn so I've bailed on Adams in the back line to make room for Grundy at R2 because I couldn't possibly have 5 players from one team (Pies)

18 on field, don't matter what line they're on. Rucks having same bye is irrelevant unless you are ending up with playing players on the bench in some other line.

 

[bananatigz]

With so many question marks over guys at this stage, I think Gawn + Ryder is the best way to start, that is if you see Ryder ending up being a top 8-10 forward. Switch him forward at his bye and bring in whatever ruck has come out of the pack as the clear number 2. I think that's the best of a less than ideal situation.

Witts is a maaaaybe if he really smashes JLT and looks like he is pretty safe as the number 1 ruck

 

[Kadog]

He averaged 72/73 sharing the ruck load with Grundy 50/50 FFS at a younger age.

You are kidding yourself if you think this point margin is going backwards, but you start with Ryder if it makes you happy and good luck.

You guys are just salty cause he played for you and has gone hence the pissing contest and denial that he can score 80pts a game now and make a team money.

I'm salty coz he left! Riiiiiiite. You got me.

You're getting a little messy in your argument. I never said I had Ryder as my R2 so I dunno where you're going there. I responded to you having said both he and Witts are on par, both scoring 80s but one one $245k cheaper.! You also conveniently ignore my Goldy 110 response (based on facts) v your Witts 80 (hope)

Please pick him.

Care to take a small wager that Witts DOESNT average 80 by completion of rd8??

 

[Kadog]

Every time you post a hypothetical Witts score it decreases :S Hard to see how he wouldn't be at 80 as solo ruck and probably fittest he's been, spud though he is.

I see him making a little less cash than say Swallow, but he frees up more starting cash and also a mid slot (if you were otherwise taking Swallow). Mid spots are crucial this year due to so many good picks, rucks not so much.

Then again Witts would violate my firm policy of no shitpricks this year so not sure I can make myself go there =p

Decreases? Where? I said 70 based on his career best 72 in 14/15. 2 points. Big fn deal.

I think he's still thereabouts. If so, he'll be priced approx $325k by the time you want to upgrade him. Is that enough? If so, knock your sox off and lock him in.

 

[Super Hans]

I reckon people are reading too much into the ruck rules change. Even though it has a huge effect on real footy who knows what it will do to SC?

CD are always ****ing with the scoring, especially with rucks. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if the scoring doesn't change at all. That's just what they do. There's been plenty of cases where players have had identical games and there's been a 40 point difference.

Just some food for thought.

 

[windbreaker]

Pretty keen to weigh in on this Witts debate....not that I'm that heavy.
Haven't really payed much of any attention to him as a player so can't comment on his 'spudness' but I really hadn't payed any attention to Gawny until a couple of years ago. Have to say tho, all ruckmen besides probably nicnat look like spuds with ball in hand.
Let's look at the numbers....
Gawn---
2011-4 games-54avg
2013-13G-67A
2014-9G-63A
2015-13G-102A
2016-22G-118A
Witts---
2013-7G-64A
2014-20G-72A
2015-11G-72A
2016-2G-50A
Now I'll admit Gawn is probably an extreme example as it's rare for any rucks to breakout like he has.
But you have to admit there are certain similarities between these two in their early years.
Witts is about a year younger and is now taking the number 1 mantle for the first time.
I'll be going Gawn and Goldy but it's completely possible in my view for Witts to breakout to a 80-90 avg and become a viable R2 at the price.

 

[Leftyitis]

That's it. After all I've read, I'm going with Witts at R2. No matter what strategy I go with, think luck plays a good part of this game too. Maybe when I awake sober I'll adjust the whole thing again. Good times for sh**s and giggles.

 

[windbreaker]

That's it. After all I've read, I'm going with Witts at R2. No matter what strategy I go with, think luck plays a good part of this game too. Maybe when I awake sober I'll adjust the whole thing again. Good times for sh**s and giggles.

Also got to take a risk or two. Plenty of trades available to make one or two adjustments. Last years overall winner started the season with Mitch Robinson!

 

[Double the Fist]

No third man up I have wanted for ages. Stupid to have ruckmen and then spoil the duel with some dickhead coming in from the side, dangerous and diminishes the spectacle of two rucks plying their trade.
IMO anyway.


BTW what was Sam Jacobs problem last year. Knee?

General shitness.

How many weeks?

 

[stevebbb]

Pretty keen to weigh in on this Witts debate....not that I'm that heavy.
Haven't really payed much of any attention to him as a player so can't comment on his 'spudness' but I really hadn't payed any attention to Gawny until a couple of years ago. Have to say tho, all ruckmen besides probably nicnat look like spuds with ball in hand.
Let's look at the numbers....
Gawn---
2011-4 games-54avg
2013-13G-67A
2014-9G-63A
2015-13G-102A
2016-22G-118A
Witts---
2013-7G-64A
2014-20G-72A
2015-11G-72A
2016-2G-50A
Now I'll admit Gawn is probably an extreme example as it's rare for any rucks to breakout like he has.
But you have to admit there are certain similarities between these two in their early years.
Witts is about a year younger and is now taking the number 1 mantle for the first time.
I'll be going Gawn and Goldy but it's completely possible in my view for Witts to breakout to a 80-90 avg and become a viable R2 at the price.

Nice comparison
Even Stef Martin was a SC spud before he broke out a couple seasons ago
Ruckman appear out of nowhere

PS. Goldy is injured, might not even play round 1

 

[Quazza]

liking Grundy more and more

he just feels "safe"

 

[Double the Fist]

liking Grundy more and more

he just feels "safe"

I keep going back to him too, doing well preseason looks good. If he can maintain 95 i'd be happy, mainly because I could reduce my medications without the stress of the ruck problem......

 

[natedt2013]

What are peoples thoughts on:

R1 Gawn
R2 Sandi
R3 Witts

Then downgrade Witts at his bye
Then upgrade Sandi at his bye to Goldstein

If Goldstein starts slow could pick him up cheaper round the byes.

M9 Deluca-Cardillo from Freo, mid/fwd 102k won't play for loophole

Bit different, not sure on it. Thoughts?



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[InFiction]

I want to contribute to the Witts argument, so here we go.

If I started Witts at R2 ( Cameron at R3 ) I'd be starting Gawn at R1, because I can't see him not being the #1 point scorer in that line unless injury strikes.

Witts at R2 not only allows upgrades elsewhere in the starting team, but it also allows you to get a great look at what the other rucks are doing this year. You're going to get at least 100k discount on a Goldstein player by R9, so if Witts makes his 125k by R9, then it's a really good trade. Hopefully by then Goldstein has used the early rounds to warm his body up and goes on to play a solid season. It might be Goldstein, who knows. The timing might not be right, maybe it's Grundy? Either way - you get a look at it, and don't lock yourself in to a mediocre starting keeper. Imagine starting Stef Martin, only for him to average 94, vs everyones Grundy 104/Goldy 108 etc.

I've made a couple of drafts with a Witts setup in the ruck, and obviously love it. It allows an extra bit of punch on every line, and minimises the on field rookies on every line. Basically if Witts is guaranteed that spot, you'd be crazy not to take him. How often do we get presented with a discounted #1 ruck? Hardly ever!

What are peoples thoughts on:

R1 Gawn
R2 Sandi
R3 Witts

Then downgrade Witts at his bye
Then upgrade Sandi at his bye to Goldstein

If Goldstein starts slow could pick him up cheaper round the byes.

M9 Deluca-Cardillo from Freo, mid/fwd 102k won't play for loophole

Bit different, not sure on it. Thoughts?



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I like it a lot. Especially if you went Witts > Strnadica in the first bye, and then Sandi > Goldstein! The timing is good.

I'd suggest maybe bring in a different floating donut than DC. Maybe someone who will miss the early start of the season, but likely debut later? Jack Graham from Richmond. Jarrod Berry from Brisbane. Think Petracca last season.

 

[Feerits Elf]

What are peoples thoughts on:

R1 Gawn
R2 Sandi
R3 Witts

Then downgrade Witts at his bye
Then upgrade Sandi at his bye to Goldstein

If Goldstein starts slow could pick him up cheaper round the byes.

M9 Deluca-Cardillo from Freo, mid/fwd 102k won't play for loophole

Bit different, not sure on it. Thoughts?

That means you have to downgrade Witts to a rookie ruck for cash and you still have Deluca. If Cameron doesn't come on you'll be left with two spuds.

Try Strnadica in fwd line as floating donut. Then when Witts has his bye downgrade him to a fwd rookie and park Strnadica at R3.

 

[croweyrocks]

Why do people keep thinking Lobbe is going to hold Ryders score back?
Trengove was main ruck whilst Lobbe was in the sanfl last season! Ryder 90% and Trengove 10% ruck time. If 1 goes down hurt, Westhoff then backs up the other.
If Ken did decide to bring in another ruck then I actually wouldn't mind Frampton getting picked ahead of Lobbe (form permitting of course).

 

[Feerits Elf]

Only other comment natedt2013 is that Witts is effectively a very dear rookie, ordinarily you wouldn't spend that much on a rookie unless you were starting them on the ground.

By playing Witts at R3 with Strnadica at F8 youre foregoing the fwd rookie you would have had at F8. So you need to consider whether Witts at $217.6k will generate more cash than Rioli, Bolton, Eddy, Smith etc.

 

[Broar]

Only other comment natedt2013 is that Witts is effectively a very dear rookie, ordinarily you wouldn't spend that much on a rookie unless you were starting them on the ground.

By playing Witts at R3 with Strnadica at F8 youre foregoing the fwd rookie you would have had at F8. So you need to consider whether Witts at $217.6k will generate more cash than Rioli, Bolton, Eddy, Smith etc.

Will mean you can loop a forward rookie each week and have insurance in case one of your rucks misses a week or two. (although you could cop a doughnut in the forwards if you have two outs one week).