No. He dominated the GF for what a 95? So many easier points to be found elsewhere. He has to work too hard to get them.
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No. He dominated the GF for what a 95? So many easier points to be found elsewhere. He has to work too hard to get them.
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Unlikely. Most of the time clubs use it because their ruckman isn't any good at getting hitouts to advantage. Take away third man up and it will benefit those ruckman's opponents more.
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Bingo.
A few seem to think it's going to benefit Hickey as his teammates won't be going up anymore, but I'd imagine they were going up as they didn't back him to win the contest in the first place. Benefits the big tap ruckman the most. Someone posted a chart earlier in the year iirc, pretty sure Gawn was the ruckman most teams went 3rd man up against by a fairly large margin.
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Also why I am hoping Sandilands can get and stay fit. He could return to monster status for no other reason other than the rule change
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These?
Hickey might go alright. Not saying to Gawn levels, but is at upper end, plus has good HTA, low shark rate. Not sure about other scoring (contested marks, possessions etc.)
Third man up doesn't always imply primary ruck is weak, sometimes (Blicavs, Riewoldt) just means the third man up is (was) very good at it,no?
Might be flaws in my thinking, not sure.
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Hickey is interesting. The Saints were ranked 3rd in the league for highest % of hitouts won from third man up. Whilst it seems that this was done because he's a weak ruckman, there's a statistical outlier here. Hickey ranked 7th in the comp for % of HOA won. Higher than NicNat, Stef and just behind Goldy. The Saints used the tactic of third man up despite having a capable ruckman in Hickey. That's why he only averaged 28.7 HOs per game. He could actually benefit most from the new rule.
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If Mumford is ready to go he'll be another beast with Gawn. Ranked 3rd in hitout average (34.74) and 3rd in HOA% (33.3). Who the * is going to outmuscle him? Cal Ward & Griffen were in top 10 players who regularly went third man up, believe it or not so it's fair to say that he too will benefit from the new rule.
I know he had a recent elbow cleanup but his running fitness is there. Had him last year and I'm strongly considering again if he can play some JLT. Mummy will dominate if healthy.
I know he had a recent elbow cleanup but his running fitness is there. Had him last year and I'm strongly considering again if he can play some JLT. Mummy will dominate if healthy.
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The Saints going 3rd man up were more due to them being oversized midfielders, e.g Riewoldt (193) Gilbert (194) Acres (191) and to a lesser extent Ross (187). Montagna and Gresham less so.
Obviously the classic example is Blicavs, but he was really the only Geelong player going 3rd man up.
I'd say the weakness of the ruckman is much less relevant than the relative strength of the 3rd man up in this case.
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And arguably he's not even in the top 3 of our worst premiership ruckmen.Thanks for taking him
Decent mark, s**t tap ruckman
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RIOLINWITPUNCHS
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Thanks for taking him
Decent mark, s**t tap ruckman
I shouldn't knock him cos he did play quite well in his 2 GF's but he would have to be the worst 1st choice ruck in the league.
Has no aggression, rarely takes contested marks has very poor HTO and doesn't use his excellent endurance to good use.
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Saints supporters like this.
Because they don't know what it's like winning premierships?
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Primary school retorts? Thanks for Savage, Acres, Dunstan and this years pick 5ish.
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Pick 18 ain't bad.
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Witts up from ~10% in the last few days
He'll be 20%+ after Sunday
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think it shows the doubt in the rucks this year that Boyd, Sandi and Witts have more ownership than rucks 2-6
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Someone that isn't me should start a thread that monitors the most popular players for each position, each week.
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i can just post them in the relevant position thread. no point making a new one IMO
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Lol at Tom Boyd to be honest.
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they are buying into last years GF performance, while spectacular, wont take the next step this year
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