Position 2017 Rucks

[pulpdriver]

Keep sticking Stef in my team. Just looks so good to have a top tier ruck and pocket $100k.

Gonna be a long two months.

 

[blackshadow]

any love for Tom Hickey?

Currently have Gawn and Hickey as my rucks - I think he's looking exceptional value, will be watching closely through pre season.

 

[gutsroy]

For those interested in Grundy, had had a look at him the last week of work last year, along with a few other blokes.
Shows stats, opponent, comparison 1st half of year vs second etc. Might be of interest to some. Colour-coded sides = mobs played twice.

 

[dlanod]

What alternative do they have but to throw them in the contest though?

The problem is that with the most recent changes to ruck scoring (not this year), hitouts to advantage the only metric worth tracing in a ruck contest and a ruck who's team has been sending third men up is (to my mind) a ruck that the team doesn't believe will win hitouts to advantage. The ruck might attend all the contests he wants but if he's not winning them it's not really relevant.

 

[stevebbb]

Today's discussion topic...

Is Ryder a must if you take Sandi?

I believe the answer is yes. If Sandi goes down in the first few rounds and you're only option is to trade, you're in trouble.

Having Ryder in the forward line allows you to go:
Sandilands TO <forward mid-pricer who started well> OR <forward rookie> (swing Ryder to R2)

Thoughts?

 

[Here2tellyouwhy]

Today's discussion topic...

Is Ryder a must if you take Sandi?

I believe the answer is yes. If Sandi goes down in the first few rounds and you're only option is to trade, you're in trouble.

Having Ryder in the forward line allows you to go:
Sandilands TO <forward mid-pricer who started well> OR <forward rookie> (swing Ryder to R2)

Thoughts?

It's a sound idea but there's risk with starting both Sandi and Ryder.
The question is, is there more risk just starting with Sandi alone? Probably not.
Ryder at cover, in a year where forwards are poo and he is priced below his average.
It just makes the Sandi risk easier to swallow and it just makes sense.

 

[CrozaN]

Today's discussion topic...

Is Ryder a must if you take Sandi?

I believe the answer is yes. If Sandi goes down in the first few rounds and you're only option is to trade, you're in trouble.

Having Ryder in the forward line allows you to go:
Sandilands TO <forward mid-pricer who started well> OR <forward rookie> (swing Ryder to R2)

Thoughts?

Spot on!

 

[dlanod]

Today's discussion topic...

Is Ryder a must if you take Sandi?

I believe the answer is yes. If Sandi goes down in the first few rounds and you're only option is to trade, you're in trouble.

Having Ryder in the forward line allows you to go:
Sandilands TO <forward mid-pricer who started well> OR <forward rookie> (swing Ryder to R2)

Thoughts?

As someone who had Bellchambers as cover a couple of years ago under similar circumstances - not really. It's not unreasonable for someone to consider Sandilands worth keeping but not Ryder because they expect Ryder to average 70-80. If they prove to be right then starting Ryder every week in the ruck will see you hemorrhaging points as well and you'd be better off biting the bullet and bringing in a ruck premium at the price of a rookie downgrade.

 

[croweyrocks]

As someone who had Bellchambers as cover a couple of years ago under similar circumstances - not really. It's not unreasonable for someone to consider Sandilands worth keeping but not Ryder because they expect Ryder to average 70-80. If they prove to be right then starting Ryder every week in the ruck will see you hemorrhaging points as well and you'd be better off biting the bullet and bringing in a ruck premium at the price of a rookie downgrade.

Ryder is a lot better than Bellchambers will ever be when it comes to supercoach scoring. Also who expects Ryder to average in the 70s?

 

[dlanod]

Ryder is a lot better than Bellchambers will ever be when it comes to supercoach scoring. Also who expects Ryder to average in the 70s?

I think you're focusing on the minutiae rather than the point. The point is still the same though - if everyone thought Ryder was going to average 95+, everyone would be starting him at his price and position. Not everyone's starting him, therefore some expect him to average less than that. Would you be happy with a starting ruck averaging 85-90 (using Ryder's actual scores in five out of his last seven years)? I know I wouldn't, and would be trading to get in a real premium.

 

[Keg on legs]

Today's discussion topic...

Is Ryder a must if you take Sandi?

I believe the answer is yes. If Sandi goes down in the first few rounds and you're only option is to trade, you're in trouble.

Having Ryder in the forward line allows you to go:
Sandilands TO <forward mid-pricer who started well> OR <forward rookie> (swing Ryder to R2)

Thoughts?

I'm thinking the answer is yes. But I'm tempted to roll the dice.

I have 92k left over at the moment so I can essentially run with Ryder at F4 or, with some tweaking, any other fwd I want - or a 600k+ mid as well. (Let's say Rocky for the purpose of the argument)

If sandi lasts 8 rounds he will be just about be a sideways trade to goldy (obviously with some cash to chuck in on top) In that 8 weeks I pocket the differential between Ryder and rocky. That could at best be upwards of 280 points. (80 ave vs a 115 ave). I expect it be less than that tho.

If sandi falls over its 2 trades to correct it and get appropriate cover in. That'll kill if sandi if

A) it's in the real early rounds and/ or
B) he's only going to only missing a couple of games that you need to cover.

If he misses a big block you'd just have to suck it up.

I guess the question is- what's more important: 280 odd points or security?

I'm leaning towards security but I could be swayed to gamble....

 

[Dennis Trumpet]

I see Ryder as one of the safest forward picks in terms of value for money, so I'll be having him regardless of whether I choose sandi.

Sandi is just too cheap to pass up at the moment tough. If he averages 100 points after 7-8 rounds which is very possible, then that's over 200k in cash generated. If he flops early then it's a downgrade to a rookie that I've missed out on, the potential reward is greater than the risk in this situation IMO

 

[Gribnoor]

I think you're focusing on the minutiae rather than the point. The point is still the same though - if everyone thought Ryder was going to average 95+, everyone would be starting him at his price and position. Not everyone's starting him, therefore some expect him to average less than that. Would you be happy with a starting ruck averaging 85-90 (using Ryder's actual scores in five out of his last seven years)? I know I wouldn't, and would be trading to get in a real premium.

Fwiw, if Ryder goes on to average 90 or more across the season at his price at F6, plays 20+ games, provides cover for my ruck - I will be very happy as an investment return.

 

[dlanod]

Fwiw, if Ryder goes on to average 90 or more across the season at his price at F6, plays 20+ games, provides cover for my ruck - I will be very happy as an investment return.

I wouldn't be happy with someone averaging 90 like that, but it's splitting hairs - I'm picking him because I expect him to average at least 95.

 

[Gribnoor]

I wouldn't be happy with someone averaging 90 like that, but it's splitting hairs - I'm picking him because I expect him to average at least 95.

Agreed mate, I see him somewhere in the low 90s - happy with a flat 90 return tbh, with that effectively making him a top 10 FWD for the year.

 

[ROOINYOU]

Today's discussion topic...

Is Ryder a must if you take Sandi?

I believe the answer is yes. If Sandi goes down in the first few rounds and you're only option is to trade, you're in trouble.

Having Ryder in the forward line allows you to go:
Sandilands TO <forward mid-pricer who started well> OR <forward rookie> (swing Ryder to R2)

Thoughts?

not a must have...just the smart move for cover.
every other year I have done the "set'n'forget" in the ruck and swore by it.
Sandi's scoring potential was good and the rule change in ruck just made it great. Should help keep him together for a few more weeks anyway.
a lot of teams hinged on the big fella and if he went down early with no cover...just hang up the boots for the year...no coming back from that!

I will have a backup team structured with top priced rucks just in case Sandi goes down in the JLT...or looks like an old and fragile POS.

 

[CaptainHowdy87]

When is Ceglar expected to be back?

 

[toxic]

Today's discussion topic...

Is Ryder a must if you take Sandi?

I believe the answer is yes. If Sandi goes down in the first few rounds and you're only option is to trade, you're in trouble.

Having Ryder in the forward line allows you to go:
Sandilands TO <forward mid-pricer who started well> OR <forward rookie> (swing Ryder to R2)

Thoughts?

Absolutely not

If he goes down for a week then trade in a ruck forward.

Eg: drop a heeney or Touk or Chad for a Ryder / Nankervis

 

[TheBeardAmigos]

When is Ceglar expected to be back?

out for the year or 99% of it.

like NutNut

 

[ROOINYOU]

Absolutely not

If he goes down for a week then trade in a ruck forward.

Eg: drop a heeney or Touk or Chad for a Ryder / Nankervis

what if the Heeney or Touk guys are performing?...wasted trades!

 

[toxic]

what if the Heeney or Touk guys are performing?...wasted trades!

Then trade out any non-performing player using dpp.

 

[CaptainHowdy87]

Ryder is the player I'm most looking forward to seeing how they do in SC this year and as a player in general as I've always rated him.

Is there anyone not putting Ryder in their fwd line this year? and having that ruck/fwd rookie from Freo as their emergency ruckman?

 

[Feerits Elf]

Is there anyone not putting Ryder in their fwd line this year?

Three in four coaches, apparently

and having that ruck/fwd rookie from Freo as their emergency ruckman?

Four in five coaches, apparently

 

[toxic]

Ryder is the player I'm most looking forward to seeing how they do in SC this year and as a player in general as I've always rated him.

Is there anyone not putting Ryder in their fwd line this year? and having that ruck/fwd rookie from Freo as their emergency ruckman?

Atm i dont have him.

Biggest watch in NAB 4 me. Purely based on i think port are shit and will be bottom 6

 

[CaptainHowdy87]

Three in four coaches, apparently

Four in five coaches, apparently