List Mgmt. 2017 Starting 22 | + Trimming the "fat"

[meima]

Assumed he was talking about Peel

Peel already champion material (1flag) can take a backseat and relax , now is freo turn to pump up the volume .

 

[FreoMonocle]

I think we have enough on the list but availability and quality could be an issue to our options for the top side.

Probably more the quality rather than the quantity. I am also holding off calling whether we have a forward line or not until the season proper; I have hopes for McCarthy, Kersten and/or Apeness and/or maybe Logue to make it dangerous but let's just wait....

Structure is important in a team game and at least we have that box ticked now, as well as depth to keep them honest and not taking a role for granted - and the flexibility in selection it gives coaches.

We come off of a low base for output from our talls. Pav 2016 - 31 goals, 2015 - 40 goals, 2014 - 46 goals, 2013 - 25 goals (Mayne with 37 in that year). Our 2nd/3rd (tabs 18 last year, a brief glimpse of Yarran and Ape) haven't given us much on the scoreboard either in these years. I'm not bagging out Pav, he played a fair bit of midfield up until last year, which diminishes the goal stats - but we will have the benefit of more Tall Forwards being Tall Forwards per game as a consequence, someone to kick to - and better opportunities for the smalls to take the crumbs. Maybe no Kick it to Pav effect stuffing up the others - if the urge is resisted to not replicate it in someone else.

Also, the fleet of talls we have are for the most part finished with their apprenticeship years, they should perform better than a glimpse of their performance to date. Maybe some of them don't due to too many sailor jerry's, but they'll go to the magoo's and the better/more deserving will take their place.

So if one of them can hit 40+ goals and the other 2 hit 25+ each we are at the least the equivalent if not improved, it's not an outrageous target, it's not wishing for someone to be the next Buddy Franklin.

 

[meima]

I am a big fan of fyfe and Neale going to play HF more , if freo going to continue to develop the likes of blakely ,Tucker or even balic there . last year when fyfe injured Neale take the opportunity to shine and fyfe pass on his knowledge to blakely during his injuries .

 

[theGav56]

I am a big fan of fyfe and Neale going to play HF more , if freo going to continue to develop the likes of blakely ,Tucker or even balic there . last year when fyfe injured Neale take the opportunity to shine and fyfe pass on his knowledge to blakely during his injuries .

The thing about them playing forward as opposed to drifting forward, is that whoever they replace either goes midfield or bench.

Bennell and Walters could but I am not sure that is a plus is it?

 

[meima]

The thing about them playing forward as opposed to drifting forward, is that whoever they replace either goes midfield or bench.

You absolutely get me there , I don't know whether it will work or not , but no harm trial it in pre season game or training simulation. I think there is a reason Ross try s.hill and Weller and Walters in different position last season. ( maybe flexibility )

 

[blue shark]

I am a big fan of fyfe and Neale going to play HF more , if freo going to continue to develop the likes of blakely ,Tucker or even balic there . last year when fyfe injured Neale take the opportunity to shine and fyfe pass on his knowledge to blakely during his injuries .

I feel pretty comfortable with our forward line additions, but the midfield goals were definitely down last year also. Sure Fyfe out for most of the year shows up, but also
highlights the coaching reliance on game plan A.
Hill, D Pearce were down on output, we need to find ways to get them back into scoring positions, or make changes when required.
For all the talk about B Hill improving Stephens game, it appears the younger brother is kicking his ass in training so far.

 

[DudleyDocker]

For all the talk about B Hill improving Stephens game, it appears the younger brother is kicking his ass in training so far.

Two completely different players. Brad is always going to be a better endurance runner than Stephen - no way he is going to improve Stephen's tank after all these years on an AFL list. Some of the things Stephen brings to the table that Brad doesn't have are size, hardness, ability to play inside and a longer kick. I think they complement each other nicely.

 

[meima]

I feel pretty comfortable with our forward line additions, but the midfield goals were definitely down last year also. Sure Fyfe out for most of the year shows up, but also
highlights the coaching reliance on game plan A.
Hill, D Pearce were down on output, we need to find ways to get them back into scoring positions, or make changes when required.
For all the talk about B Hill improving Stephens game, it appears the younger brother is kicking his ass in training so far.

* don't like to talk about bennell until everything is OK.

I know fyfe , Neale and mundy as inside mid look impressive on paper . but if thing not working in mid .

Changing it to Walters , mundy/blakely and s.hill inside mid create different option or plan B for opposition to think about , if everything go smoothly for opposition .

B.hill and weller combo as training report suggest look fine to be me and should compliment each other well. ( I hoped).

Some people preferred Weller or croz not to play HB , but I see it differently as both are quite versatile in their ability to play different position.

 

[WestCoast05]

Hope y'all don't mind a West Coaster having a shot:

FB: Weller Hamling A.Pearce
HB: Sheridan Johnson B.Hil
C: S.Hill Mundy Neale
HF: Walters McCarthy D.Pearce
FF: Taberner Kerston Ballantyne

F: Bennell Sandi Fyfe

I: Griffin, Blakely, Spurr, Ibbotson


As you can see I went for youth in the backline with Weller and Pearce but still kept Ibbotson and Spurr in the interchange.
Dawson needs to be gone haha!


I would use Griffin and Taberner as backup rucks as well as forwards, which is why Apeness and Collins are unlucky to not make the team.
If Tabs, Kerston, McCarthy or Griffin aren't working out then obviously they are ready to pounce for a spot.

Fremantle is very lucky to be able to use Walters, B.Hill, D.Pearce and even Sheridan as part of their midfield rotation if needed.

I am extremely interested to see where you guys are at in 2017 as I'm sure you are all too.

 

[Docker82]

I've tried to stay away from this thread. Couldn't pick just 22 players. No other reason other than that. I'll give it a go now I guess.

Spurr Hamling Johnson
Ibbotson A.Pearce Crozier
B.Hill Mundy S.Hill
Bennell Taberner D.Pearce
Ballantyne McCarthy Walters

Sandilands Neale Fyfe

Blakely Sheridan Apeness Weller

Defence probably has the most options tbh. As much as Weller looked ok there last year I think midfield is his future. Crozier was one who impressed me last year and I see no reason to change anything there. I also don't see any reason to write off Ibbo or Sheridan after one bad season either. Both were very good in 2015. Although Sheridan ideally only rotates through there and plays a few midfield minutes as well. Johnson A.Pearce and Spurr play if fit. Hamling should join that group pretty quickly but something tells me Dawson and Collins won't be around just to make up list numbers... Logue and Ryan will play games at some point.

Midfield I'm probably relying a little too much on guys like Weller, Sheridan, Bennell (only makes this list due to his dodgy calves), Walters etc being able to rotate through. Otherwise we go back to Suban or give Balic a go in there. Both will play games. I still think D.Pearce offers some value. Sure he's not one of our best but would be a useful HFF if required IMO. I reckon the guys I've picked are up to it though especially if Sandilands is fit. This leads me to the rucks. Sandilands is still an absolute gun but beyond him I don't have much confidence. What's why I've picked Apeness. We need our second ruck to contribute in forward. I'm just not sure Apeness is a good enough ruck.

In the forward line I think Taberner perhaps is our only forward with the attributes to play CHF. Sure others don't seem to agree but I think his combination of elite endurance and height will help him out more in this role than the alternatives, whilst I think McCarthy and Apeness will be more dangerous near goal anyway. Again I see no reason to write off a former gun off one bad year and an giving Ballas another shot (OK wasn't the best in 2015 but a long way from as bad as he was this year). Walters as we know is a gun whilst Bennell even if he can't play midfield much due to his calves is capable of being a 30-40 goal medium forward if the team is playing well IMO.


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[jerms]

This is maybe the most appropriate thread... There's a thread that is essentially crowdsourcing the second stage of the player ratings for AFL Evolution, the new AFL PC/PS4/XB1 game.


I've had a bit of a crack with some suggested changes for Freo ratings, other may want to join in. There's some players out of position that we should correct too:

https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/index.php?threads/1155141/

Current Freo ratings are:

Nat Fyfe- 93
Aaron Sandilands- 86
David Mundy- 85
Lachie Neale- 85
Stephen Hill- 85
Michael Walters- 84
Michael Johnson- 84
Harley Bennell- 81
Hayden Ballantyne- 80
Danyle Pearce- 80
Lee Spur- 80
Brad Hill- 79
Joel Hamling- 78
Nick Suban- 78
Garrick Ibbotson- 77
Zac Dawson- 77
Jonathan Griffen- 77
Zac Clarke- 76
Cameron McCarthy- 75
Hayden Crozier- 74
Cameron Sutcliffe- 74
Alex Pearce- 73
Matt Taberner- 72
Tommy Sheridan- 72
Lachie Weller- 72
Shane Kersten- 72
Griffen Logue- 71
Michael Apeness- 70
Connor Blakeley- 70
Harley Balic- 67
Ed Langdon- 66
Darcy Tucker- 66
Sam Collins- 66
Ethan Hughes- 65
Ryan Nyhuis- 64
Brennan Cox- 64
Sean Darcy- 63
Luke Ryan- 62
Josh Deluca- 61
Luke Strnadica- 60
Taylin Duman- 60
Brady Grey- 60
Matthew Uebergang- 59

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[PurpleWizard]

This is maybe the most appropriate thread... There's a thread that is essentially crowdsourcing the second stage of the player ratings for AFL Evolution, the new AFL PC/PS4/XB1 game.


I've had a bit of a crack with some suggested changes for Freo ratings, other may want to join in. There's some players out of position that we should correct too:

https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/index.php?threads/1155141/

Current Freo ratings are:

Nat Fyfe- 93
Aaron Sandilands- 86
David Mundy- 85
Lachie Neale- 85
Stephen Hill- 85
Michael Walters- 84
Michael Johnson- 84
Harley Bennell- 81
Hayden Ballantyne- 80
Danyle Pearce- 80
Lee Spur- 80
Brad Hill- 79
Joel Hamling- 78
Nick Suban- 78
Garrick Ibbotson- 77
Zac Dawson- 77
Jonathan Griffen- 77
Zac Clarke- 76
Cameron McCarthy- 75
Hayden Crozier- 74
Cameron Sutcliffe- 74
Alex Pearce- 73
Matt Taberner- 72
Tommy Sheridan- 72
Lachie Weller- 72
Shane Kersten- 72
Griffen Logue- 71
Michael Apeness- 70
Connor Blakeley- 70
Harley Balic- 67
Ed Langdon- 66
Darcy Tucker- 66
Sam Collins- 66
Ethan Hughes- 65
Ryan Nyhuis- 64
Brennan Cox- 64
Sean Darcy- 63
Luke Ryan- 62
Josh Deluca- 61
Luke Strnadica- 60
Taylin Duman- 60
Brady Grey- 60
Matthew Uebergang- 59

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Pretty good effort. Only things I'd change...

Bennell 86 (but of course make him very injury prone)
Neale 87
Blakely 74
Crozier 72
Langdon 72
Tucker 71

 

[jerms]

Pretty good effort. Only things I'd change...

Bennell 86 (but of course make him very injury prone)
Neale 87
Blakely 74
Crozier 72
Langdon 72
Tucker 71

Yep, my thoughts were similar. I suggested:

Langdon: 72
Weller: 74
Blakeley: 76
Sutcliffe: 72
Dawson: 74
Ibbotson: 73
Suban: 75
B Hill: 81
D Pearce: 79

Also Collins maybe up a few, likewise Ryan as a plug-and-play mature-ager. I was thinking Bennell higher but he's tough to really come up with a figure for. DT at 71 seems fair.

For a little context though, Mz is rated 76...

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[sherrif]

After watching training today I think both Kersten and Sutcliffe are now highly likely to be in best 22. It might not mean much but Tabs spent the session training in ruck work. Harley Bennell is no certainty to be back for Ropund 1 so I have left him out too.
My new starting 22 is:

B: Spurr Hamling Johnson
HB: Weller A.Pearce Crozier
C: S.Hill Neale B.Hill
R: Sandy Fyfe Blakely
HF: Langdon Tabs Walters
FF: Ballaz Mcarthy Kersten
I/C: Sutty, Mundy, Tucker, Sheridan

 

[meima]

After watching training today I think both Kersten and Sutcliffe are now highly likely to be in best 22. It might not mean much but Tabs spent the session training in ruck work. Harley Bennell is no certainty to be back for Ropund 1 so I have left him out too.
My new starting 22 is:

B: Spurr Hamling Johnson
HB: Weller A.Pearce Crozier
C: S.Hill Neale B.Hill
R: Sandy Fyfe Blakely
HF: Langdon Tabs Walters
FF: Ballaz Mcarthy Kersten
I/C: Sutty, Mundy, Tucker, Sheridan

I am happy with this line up.

 

[jedi mind tricks]

After watching training today I think both Kersten and Sutcliffe are now highly likely to be in best 22. It might not mean much but Tabs spent the session training in ruck work. Harley Bennell is no certainty to be back for Ropund 1 so I have left him out too.
My new starting 22 is:

B: Spurr Hamling Johnson
HB: Weller A.Pearce Crozier
C: S.Hill Neale B.Hill
R: Sandy Fyfe Blakely
HF: Langdon Tabs Walters
FF: Ballaz Mcarthy Kersten
I/C: Sutty, Mundy, Tucker, Sheridan

Pretty much bang on. Great team ballance. Weller off hbf has real merit. Same as Crozier.

Add an inform Bennell to that line up and the team looks even stronger. Langdon may be the player to go IMO

 

[freo84]

After watching training today I think both Kersten and Sutcliffe are now highly likely to be in best 22. It might not mean much but Tabs spent the session training in ruck work. Harley Bennell is no certainty to be back for Ropund 1 so I have left him out too.
My new starting 22 is:

B: Spurr Hamling Johnson
HB: Weller A.Pearce Crozier
C: S.Hill Neale B.Hill
R: Sandy Fyfe Blakely
HF: Langdon Tabs Walters
FF: Ballaz Mcarthy Kersten
I/C: Sutty, Mundy, Tucker, Sheridan

Love it.

Tabs will be the man this season with McCarthy and Kersten as his sidekicks. We are about to see the new embodiment of the term 'Wharfie Power'.

I can see it now, Tabs comes in and takes a huge contested mark and the crowd chants "Ohhhhhh Ahhhhhh Taaaaaaberner!". He goes back and slots his 10th goal in the grand final. Pav is watching in the crowd and he cracks a smile with a single tear of happiness gently caressing his cheek and whispers "Wharfie Power Tabs, It's the damn Wharfie power!!"

Ps May or may not happen.

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[theGav56]

Hope your right 84. Hate for it to end up "eeeewwww errrrrrr, Tabernerrrrrrr".

 

[blue shark]

Pretty much bang on. Great team balance Weller off hbf has real merit. Same as Crozier.

Add an inform Bennell to that line up and the team looks even stronger. Langdon may be the player to go IMO

Im hoping you are talking about team balance, rather than Langdon leaving the port. I really believe this guy has a huge upside.
Only signed a one year deal, but is worth at least a second round pick in my opinion,

 

[M_rash]

Im hoping you are talking about team balance, rather than Langdon leaving the port. I really believe this guy has a huge upside.
Only signed a one year deal, but is worth at least a second round pick in my opinion,

Pretty sure the club only offered him one year. He said in a presser he was super happy here and was happy to sign whatever period the club offered (hinting he would have signed for longer if offered). Could be a very good player if he can sort his kicking out and back himself to take on the play, like he does at Peel

 

[Freomaniac]

My starting 22 as of right now.
B: Johno Dawson Spurr
HB: Weller Hamling Crozier
C: B.Hill Neale S.Hill
F: Sandy Fyfe Sheridan
HF: Langdon Tabs Bennell
FF: Apeness McCarthy Walters

I/C Ballaz, Tucker, Mundy, Blakely

I think they will give Alex Pearce a few games in the WAFL to regain confidence. Also Dawson is a great match up on Hawkins for Round 1. I think we will play Sheridan as an accountable mid against Geelong as well.

Logue plays if Johno is unavailable. Balic plays if Bennell is unavailable. Igbo plays if he returns to 2015 form in Preseason Comp with Spurr out.

I don't mind the forward line. Hell, Kersten could replace Tabs at Centre half forward. Kersten might only be 191cms but he offers more than Tabs in my opinion. Bennell and Langdon are both half forward flanks but they are rotating mids.

 

[theGav56]

I don't mind the forward line. Hell, Kersten could replace Tabs at Centre half forward. Kersten might only be 191cms but he offers more than Tabs in my opinion. Bennell and Langdon are both half forward flanks but they are rotating mids.

Kersten V Taberner is the big question.

Two specialist tall forwards and a forward/ruck is the equation.

Neither of those two have a mortgage on best 22.

 

[jedi mind tricks]

Im hoping you are talking about team balance, rather than Langdon leaving the port. I really believe this guy has a huge upside.
Only signed a one year deal, but is worth at least a second round pick in my opinion,

Team ballance

 

[wayToGo_]

I can't wait to see how we'll line up this year. Atm I am most interested in what we do up forward and whether we play three genuine talls (I think we have to), and also how creative we get with our second ruck. The fitness of Bennell and Apeness probably factors in to our starting 22 a fair bit but am hoping both secure a spot in our B22 sometime later in the year, if not round 1.

I personally like the possibility of having 3 lines of players from half back to deep forward that can all kick a goal if required...

Crozier > BHill > Walters > Kersten
Johnson/Mundy > Fyfe/Neale > McCarthy > Taberner/Apeness
Weller > SHill > Bennell/Langdon > Ballantyne

Hoping Spurr, Hamling and Alex Pearce can become a real negating force in our back line if supported suitably by pressure down field. And plenty more talent on our list to draw from with Tucker, Balic, Blakely, Logue, Ryan etc...

 

[theGav56]

I can't wait to see how we'll line up this year. Atm I am most interested in what we do up forward and whether we play three genuine talls (I think we have to), and also how creative we get with our second ruck. The fitness of Bennell and Apeness probably factors in to our starting 22 a fair bit but am hoping both secure a spot in our B22 sometime later in the year, if not round 1.

I personally like the possibility of having 3 lines of players from half back to deep forward that can all kick a goal if required...

Crozier > BHill > Walters > Kersten
Johnson/Mundy > Fyfe/Neale > McCarthy > Taberner/Apeness
Weller > SHill > Bennell/Langdon > Ballantyne

Hoping Spurr, Hamling and Alex Pearce can become a real negating force in our back line if supported suitably by pressure down field. And plenty more talent on our list to draw from with Tucker, Balic, Blakely, Logue, Ryan etc...

With the likes of Tucker, Balic, Logue and Ryan, I am interested to see how determined he club is to lock down our future best 22, as opposed to being a bit flexible and creative with how they allow these guys to develop. They are all promising but none of them have a clear path into the team. Langdon and Deluca in similar positions.

That is quite a few guys to be looking for game time.