2017 Supercoach questions

[Harvey Manfrenjensenden]

Post all Supercoach questions here.

 

[Harvey Manfrenjensenden]

Is Kayne Turner relevant this year? Priced $171400 should get lots of games and would hope he averages mid 60 - 70 per week.

 

[the_big_sav]

value to points/games expected to play

durdin looks good. everyone else costs more then they should. boomer was always a great option and if goldy is out for a few weeks now and with our first 4 games id wait for a price drop

 

[LuvtheKangas]

Ryan Clarke looks good value at $306k.

Luke Mac at $348k defender, if he gets mid time.

 

[Daniltchenko You Beauty]

Got Kayne in and Preuss at R3 at this stage. Tempted to put Higgo in too but is a big injury risk.

 

[RobZombie]

Got Kayne in and Preuss at R3 at this stage. Tempted to put Higgo in too but is a big injury risk.

Preuss is no good as R3 unless you want him to play and make cash. The flexibility of bottom-priced Ruck/Forwards is worth more IMHO (unless of course Preuss actually plays enough to make real cash-cow money).

 

[RobZombie]

Ryan Clarke looks good value at $306k.

Luke Mac at $348k defender, if he gets mid time.

Clarke and Hrovat are a toss-up for me, both M/F at a similar price. Clarke's weight of possessions or Hrovat's ability to get on the scoreboard?

Problem with Two Dogs is he really has to score well enough to be a keeper at his price, especially without DPP. I can see him going 80+ which is decent for his price but DEF keepers need to be 90+ and there will surely be players averaging 80 for a lot less $$$?

 

[shintemaster]

I've got one:

How do people even find the time to play supercoach? I started a team once and lasted 3 weeks before getting jack of the time spent trying to watch my team. Can barely find the energy to do footy tipping for a whole season.

 

[DanA]

I'm considering Shaun Atley as a defender hoping he moves up into the midfield. Does he have good job security, what's the likelihood of him playing midfield is he going to be one of the players that benefit from Wells, Dal santo, Harvey exiting. If not him who's better positioned to take advantage?

He's been a poor fantasy player so far hidden away in the backline. Any informed opinions from North fans would be greatly appreciated.

 

[DanA]

I've got one:

How do people even find the time to play supercoach? I started a team once and lasted 3 weeks before getting jack of the time spent trying to watch my team. Can barely find the energy to do footy tipping for a whole season.

For me it's an hour a week. 30 minutes Sunday night and 30 minutes Thursday night or Friday before the game. Sometimes I run out of time on Friday's and make changes on Saturday but as long as you set it up Sunday that's not a problem. I don't play computer games or watch much TV so it's my guilty pleasure for the week.

 

[shintemaster]

For me it's an hour a week. 30 minutes Sunday night and 30 minutes Thursday night or Friday before the game. Sometimes I run out of time on Friday's and make changes on Saturday but as long as you set it up Sunday that's not a problem. I don't play computer games or watch much TV so it's my guilty pleasure for the week.

That makes sense I guess. Each to their own...

Personally, even though I watch a lot of football I doubt I'd watch enough to be good at this across all teams. It would be good to see some sort of supercoach style game that can reward someone's knowledge of their own team more. ie. If you're an expert on Geelong and can predict who will be the best performers or not in any given week you can beat other supporters. I'm probably one of many who would rate their knowledge of our list while happily admitting that this varies substantially when looking at other teams. I'd struggle to name 10 players for GWS for example, or even Brisbane nowadays...

 

[DanA]

That makes sense I guess. Each to their own...

Personally, even though I watch a lot of football I doubt I'd watch enough to be good at this across all teams. It would be good to see some sort of supercoach style game that can reward someone's knowledge of their own team more. ie. If you're an expert on Geelong and can predict who will be the best performers or not in any given week you can beat other supporters. I'm probably one of many who would rate their knowledge of our list while happily admitting that this varies substantially when looking at other teams. I'd struggle to name 10 players for GWS for example, or even Brisbane nowadays...

I reckon I watch about 35 games a year. Nowhere near enough to know other teams well so I'm with you on the team specific game but I could probably name majority of fantasy relevant players in the league because of a decade of playing Supercoach. Atley being on my radar because he was a top 10 pick with several part time mids leaving (Dal, Boomer & Wells). Couldn't tell you what he looks like or if he was right or left footed.

 

[longyroos]

I reckon I watch about 35 games a year. Nowhere near enough to know other teams well so I'm with you on the team specific game but I could probably name majority of fantasy relevant players in the league because of a decade of playing Supercoach. Atley being on my radar because he was a top 10 pick with several part time mids leaving (Dal, Boomer & Wells). Couldn't tell you what he looks like or if he was right or left footed.

If you are considering Atley I think you should consider quitting Suoercoach. He will be stuck in the 80s as always and you will have a mid priced player going no where all year.

Avoid

 

[DanA]

If you are considering Atley I think you should consider quitting Suoercoach. He will be stuck in the 80s as always and you will have a mid priced player going no where all year.

Avoid

It's for Draft.

I was hoping he'd make the 90's.

 

[Black2Blue]

Question: When will we get a super coach?

Sorry, wrong thread.

#ByeByeBradThread

 

[TheBuzz]

I'm considering Shaun Atley as a defender hoping he moves up into the midfield. Does he have good job security, what's the likelihood of him playing midfield is he going to be one of the players that benefit from Wells, Dal santo, Harvey exiting. If not him who's better positioned to take advantage?

He's been a poor fantasy player so far hidden away in the backline. Any informed opinions from North fans would be greatly appreciated.

You will join a list of disappointed Supercoaches who have picked Atley on rumors of him joining the midfield.

Do not do it. He'll never be a 100+ average scorer, in mid or defence. Zero value.

 

[DanA]

You will join a list of disappointed Supercoaches who have picked Atley on rumors of him joining the midfield.

Do not do it. He'll never be a 100+ average scorer, in mid or defence. Zero value.

Yeah I've shied away but it's slim pickings this low in the draft.

 

[RobZombie]

I wrote up a North review for the SC board but the thread got locked before I could post it. I'll dump it in here for what it's worth ...

This is actually a more interesting year for NM than the last couple. Including Brad McKenzie (played rounds 8-22), there are 6 senior spots and almost 500 SC points gone from the starting 22. Two of those spots are in the midfield, where Dumont and Clarke look like ready-to-go heirs apparent. There’s a tall and a small forward gone, and a tall and a general defender spot vacant. Waite, Wright, Higgins, Turner, Jacobs, McDonald, Wood, and Garner all missed the second half of the season or more. Williams and Hrovat were traded in and should both be a chance for regular senior footy, and all the draftees from 2014 and 2015 should expect to get their chance this year.

Jacobs, Wright, Daw, Brown, Thompson and now Anderson and Goldstein all have had some injury/fitness issues in preseason so far. Jy Simkpin is being managed but has no injury concerns.

So there looks like plenty of upside for cash cows and a couple of breakout contenders. Problem is they may decide to rotate young players through the 22, so there might not be enough JS for any one of them to be a good gamble.

Defense
Robbie Tarrant

Stayed on the park for a full season, collected a B&F, AA squad nom (and stiff to miss the 22). Super player. Rance lite, with a similar ceiling but lower floor, only 5 tons to Rance’s 9 and only $35k cheaper. Enough good DEF premo and breakout options this year that even though I’d happily back him to bring another 90+ average he looks like a poor gamble as a POD.

Jamie Macmillan

Once Pogba finally traded him out and stopped weighing him down, averaged 100.5 from rds 14-22 before copping an injury in rd23. Has shown a couple of seasons in a row that he’s capable of putting strong runs together including multiple 130+ scores. Possible POD depending on his role – if some combination of Marley Williams, Mullett and debutants nail down spots he won’t be forced deep into defense.

Scott Thompson

Cooked. Nope.

Shaun Atley

If Atley’s training with the mids it must be January. More likely will remain on the HBF but if Williams is regular best 22 his footspeed and rebounding help could well help Ats improve his numbers. Not in an SC relevant way though.

Luke McDonald

Good shot to continue the improvement he was showing before he did his hammy chasing down Cyril. Should see some midfield minutes this year. Wouldn’t surprise me at all to see him add 15 SC points but you can find 80ppg for less than 300K.

Sam Wright

Good interceptor and rebounder when on song but a career midpricer and had ankle surgery before Xmas. Has the job ahead of him to get enough preseason to be match fit by Rd1. Even if I were tempted to try and pump him up that kills it. Nope.

Aaron Mullett

Useful squad player who had some decent games to close out 2016 (including a 106 vs GWS) but seems unlikely to ever be settled best 22. Nope.

Lachie Hansen

Flirted briefly with possible SC relevance 2-3 years ago before hip problems and concussions stuffed him. Nope.

Marley Williams

Oh Jeez, I just looked at his 2016 SC numbers. Was he even worth pick 105? Change of scene and being traded for peanuts might be the boot up the date he needed, but way too expensive for basically rookie levels of JS and expected output. Nope.

Mitch Hibberd

Unlike a lot at NM, seems to know how to find the footy and has D/M DPP. Watch in the JLT and has definite cash cow potential.

Daniel Nielson

I’ve liked what I’ve seen of him at training but he’s a yet to debut lockdown KPD. Pick him if he’s the only possible downgrade in his bubble week and you’re desperate.

Ed Vickers-Willis

Looks like a natural replacement for Firrito and has a bit of Macmillan’s game about him as well. Probably stiff not to debut last year. Watch in the JLT and consider strongly if he’s picked rd1.

Nick Larkey

Speculative/project KP swingman. I’d be surprised if he plays this year but seems like a good kid. Has DEF/FWD DPP if you need that for late season loopholes.

Declan Watson

A couple of our training watchers have been impressed by him. Haven’t seen him in person because the rookies were at an induction camp of some sort last time I was down. Might already be in the same mix as Nielsen/Durdin/EVW for a debut.

Oscar Junker

The Juice! Rookie listed tallish utility with floppy blond curly hair, so has obviously drawn comparisons to Fyfe on the North board. Sadly out for a couple of months with a broken tibia now. Could consider as a cash cow if he gets a promotion to the senior list.

Matt Taylor

Amazing how many elite ball users slip to the rookie draft, hey? He actually does look like a really nice kick and has experience playing against mature bodies in the WAFL but is said to be well short of AFL level endurance at this stage.

Midfield
Jack Ziebell

There’s a fair body of evidence by now that JZ is basically a burst player and lacks whatever it is to take his consistency to A+ levels. I’ll throw in the “captaincy could take him to another level” thing I suppose, but I’d like him more as a M/F DPP, not least because that would mean Scott is actually using him like that. Pass.

Sam Gibson

Not going to magically find an inside game at 30, and that’s not his role anyway. No signs that he’s undervalued at $468K. Pass.

Andrew Swallow

We’re holding out some hope that he might rediscover a step with his first full preseason in a while, but his SC relevant days are gone. Pass.

Ben Cunnington

The inverse of Gibson. Good at what he does but frustrating for what he lacks. No sign of him magically developing an outside game. Love watching him play but Pass.

Trent Dumont

I actually like him as a smokey. Done his apprenticeship and there’s a role and plenty of midfield points to be picked up somewhere. I think he’s a genuine breakout candidate. If you’re the sort to like midfield midprice PODs, consider.

Ryan Clarke

Personally responsible for several houses along Macaulay Rd being trained down. Could be a rare exception to the no 2nd year players rule. Genuine accumulator with a good tank and should play from round 1. M/F DPP should bring him into consideration.

Nathan Hrovat

Should play plenty and has M/F DPP like Clarke. I don’t think he has quite as much upside as he’ll likely be more FWD/MID than the other way round, but I haven’t seen that much of him.

Ben Jacobs

Best case he progresses from pure tagger to a decent 2-way midfielder. Worst case is he never gets over his foot issues. Still not in full training. Wouldn’t be relevant anyway. Pass.

Paul Ahern

Won’t play this year as the medical staff work on his ACL rehab for 2018. That does automatically open up a rookie LTI promotion spot. Also potentially useful for M/F DPP loopholing late in the season if you want to do that.

Will Fordham

A bit in the Gibson mould. Endurance freak who’ll run up and down the wing all day. I’d guess he hopes to be the 1st rookie in line for Ahern’s LTI spot. If he cements a spot would be an ok cash cow.

Mitch Hibberd

See defenders

Declan Mountford

Looking supremely fit in preseason and had a good first season in the VFL. Should be part of the rotating cast to get a look this year. If he’s on the bubble, sure, go for it.

Josh Williams

Fast, good ball user, but real skinny and behind a fair few in the midfield pecking order.

Oscar Junker

See defenders

Ruck
Todd Goldstein

Some percentage of Norf Goggles, but I’m likely to take him over Gawn to start. He’s been more durable than Max over the journey, the 3rd man up rules will help him not only in HTA but also not getting a knee in the kidneys at every second contest. He’s had the summer to get the knee right and he’s got 5-10ppg improvement in him. Been managed for an ankle problem recently but that might actually be good news – it’s not his knee.

Majak Daw

R/F DPP but not a better option than Ryder at only $40K cheaper. Unfortunately just had a meniscus repaired that will sideline him for a month. I just want to see him make the most of his chance, don’t care what he does in SC.

Preuss

Christ, we’ve only got 3 rucks on the list and one of them is really a KPF. If Goldy goes down the Hybrid will be a fine cash cow. Otherwise will barely play. Massive unit with a Mumford-like approach to the game.

Forward
Waite

That 126ppg start to 2016 was fun but nobody in their right mind would pick him this year.

Wood

Candidate for a real breakout season with the remodelling of North’s forward line but doubtful how that would translate to SC. A tendency to be a bit injury prone. Great potential upside but would be the gutsiest POD ever. Pass

Higgins

Last year’s knee wasn’t really a “Higgins type injury”. Anyone can have someone fall across their leg. Looking good in preseason and should see his share of midfield minutes. Wouldn’t surprise me to see him back into the 90s avg. Without M/F DPP though, I’d pass.

Brown

Standard KPF. Will ton up now and then but not relevant. Pass.

Daw

See rucks

Thomas

See also Brown, but for small forwards. Pass

Clarke

See midfielders

Hrovat

See midfielders

Garner

Has a knack for making things happen but yet to prove that he can stay on the park or stay involved for 4 quarters. If he does put it together will be fun to watch but Pass.

Anderson

Was pretty ordinary for a lot of last year but was kept in the side despite that because no one else was fit. Should improve but without M/F DPP is not relevant. Pass

Wagner

He’s only $206K and should play his share of games, tearing up the track etc, so that’s something. But the reason he’s only $206K is that he averaged 38SC from 4 games in 2016. If by some miracle he gets on the bubble averaging 120 then by all means grab him.

Turner

Scott likes him and he has some runs on the board before his terrible 2016. Has competition from Hrovat, Garner, Anderson and Simpkin for that HF role but if he consolidates a spot should be a fair cash cow.

Simpkin

Hearing good things out of the club through preseason but still being managed given his broken leg last year. Will play, probably not round 1.

Ahern

See midfielders

Durdin

Mobile tall defender who can ruck a bit. Won’t play as a forward. Scott Thompson’s adductor problem might open up a spot for him early in the season but JS is probably patchy even so.

Ben McKay

If Maj had been fit I could have seen Scott going with a 4-talls setup, with Wood and Daw spending time up on the wing and through the midfield respectively. McKay’s a more traditional KPF though, so while he’s probably next in line after Maj he’s not a direct replacement. Should expect to play this season but not likely to be relevant.

Nick Larkey

See defenders

Josh Williams

See midfielders

Cameron Zurhaar

Probably 42nd in line for a game. No wait, there’s Ahern. So 41st. Might be neck and neck with Matt Watson. OK then, 40th. Definitely no better than 40th. Medium forward, should be good for Werribee.

 

[Sheezel2Wardlaw]

Question: When will we get a super coach?

Sorry, wrong thread.

#ByeByeBradThread

That was clever Bruce.

 

[giantroo]

If you are considering Atley I think you should consider quitting Suoercoach. He will be stuck in the 80s as always and you will have a mid priced player going no where all year.

Avoid

Would you consider him now?

 

[wizzard400]

Hi all,

Seems as though theres already been some discussion about Kayne Turner. I've liked the look of him in your last couple of JLT games. Whats the consensus on him? Can he carry his form from the last 2 games into the season?

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

Hi all,

Seems as though theres already been some discussion about Kayne Turner. I've liked the look of him in your last couple of JLT games. Whats the consensus on him? Can he carry his form from the last 2 games into the season?

He could, but he is a small pressure forward, so he's not going to score heaps for sc, at least not consistently high.

 

[Heaps of fun]

Hi all,

Seems as though theres already been some discussion about Kayne Turner. I've liked the look of him in your last couple of JLT games. Whats the consensus on him? Can he carry his form from the last 2 games into the season?

He's good for 1.5 goals and 3.5 tackles a game. The biggest things he brings to the team are intangibles, not an SC player.

 

[Quivorir]

Hey guys, just working on my team and struggling a bit. Really just want to know who I should make captain? Thanks in advance.

 

[the_big_sav]

evw
durdin
turner
hrovat if mid price madness is your go