2017 Trade and FA thread

[dlanod]

interesting comments from Knightmare on the draft board re our strategy in this years draft/trade/FA period to a question i asked re what we should do with our 2 first round picks.

The thing to bear in mind is that KM doesn't actually look at each list in-depth, and fair enough given he's a hobbyist on a public forum. He does a decent job of reviewing draftees when he gets footage of them, but getting his opinion of list structure and draft or trade targets is fraught with peril.

 

[13Beast]

The thing to bear in mind is that KM doesn't actually look at each list in-depth, and fair enough given he's a hobbyist on a public forum. He does a decent job of reviewing draftees when he gets footage of them, but getting his opinion of list structure and draft or trade targets is fraught with peril.

And also maybe he wants to continue seeing a weak Brisbane at the bottom of the ladder. Draft another KPF? Jeez louise. Worst draft advice ever.

 

[a mayes ing]

Even if Martin was available, l don't think we should take him. Fev disaster 2.0. Pretty sure we had the option of grabbing Fev a few years ago in Leppa's 1st or 2nd year when Martin was publically saying he would look at all options. Quite a few whispers saying he would follow Leppa to us but l was led to believe that Leppa said no because of all the baggage he has and how bad it would be with a young list.

 

[jjami15]

The thing to bear in mind is that KM doesn't actually look at each list in-depth, and fair enough given he's a hobbyist on a public forum. He does a decent job of reviewing draftees when he gets footage of them, but getting his opinion of list structure and draft or trade targets is fraught with peril.

Moving to putting his thoughts on ESPN he might want to look at club list needs.

 

[jackess]

Moving to putting his thoughts on ESPN he might want to look at club list needs.

And be an informed member of the AFL media? That would be pretty groundbreaking.

 

[chopperduck]

He did player profile write up type things for ESPN last year. Being that i don't get to watch any U18 footage i like to have a good read of player profiles towards the end of the year when you start getting a bit of an idea of the draft order and who might be likely heading our way. He does pretty good player right ups, really there are a few guys on the draft board that do some good write ups, but you just have to not take everything as gospel.

I sure as heck would not be drafting any KPF. TBH, i wouldn't be drafting any more talls. We have a decent group, majority of which are young. Some forwards might end up back and backs end up forwards yet. We desperately need to increase our midfield depth and smaller players. I have hope that this year being a good year for talls means we should be able to get some better mids with later picks, with most teams reaching for the talls. Still hoping we can snag 2 picks inside the top 10, and end up with 2 of the top 5 mids of the draft.

 

[briztoon]

yep, i was surprised when he mentioned a key forward as well. would be good to get a 3rd tall type IMO ah la Tom Lynch (crows), James Sicily although not at the expense of an elite mid. what did you think of his assessment of Jacob Hopper and Matthew Kennedy, probably likely they would head to a victorian club but would you use our first or second pick on one of them as KM suggested or rather go for a Fogarty/Rayner at the end of the year? what about you lionshine or any other BL BF draft experts

Really depends on where Port finishes and where the draft pick ends up.

Not a chance would I give up our first pick if it's a top 3 pick. Even a top 5 pick, I would be very reluctant to trade. If our first pick is out of the equation, then it would likely take a combination of Ports pick and our second round pick to trade for either player. Or Ports pick and a future second round pick.

What are positive and negative attributes with Hopper and Kennedy? I thought I had read in the past that neither are particularly fast. Most important question is would they come to Brisbane and stay?

 

[jjami15]

yep, i was surprised when he mentioned a key forward as well. would be good to get a 3rd tall type IMO ah la Tom Lynch (crows), James Sicily although not at the expense of an elite mid. what did you think of his assessment of Jacob Hopper and Matthew Kennedy, probably likely they would head to a victorian club but would you use our first or second pick on one of them as KM suggested or rather go for a Fogarty/Rayner at the end of the year? what about you lionshine or any other BL BF draft experts

Have been reading the last few pages in regards to trades and I would only be looking at Hopper, Kennedy and Parish as they fit that age profile that we have where we are bottom heavy age wise but as they come through they will be our core and not all of those will make it. Personally I believe that Hopper's worth would be around where Port would finish and would be fine to use it. Kennedy I see a bit lower and would give our second rounder. Our very first would be used on the best mid that we can get our hands on from the draft. I find it interesting that North are quite public with their chase on Heeney and know Kelly so you would think that we would also be very similar cap wise and do something in the same range but not as over the top to pry them North. Fortune favours the brave.

 

[SizeMatters]

He did player profile write up type things for ESPN last year. Being that i don't get to watch any U18 footage i like to have a good read of player profiles towards the end of the year when you start getting a bit of an idea of the draft order and who might be likely heading our way. He does pretty good player right ups, really there are a few guys on the draft board that do some good write ups, but you just have to not take everything as gospel.

I sure as heck would not be drafting any KPF. TBH, i wouldn't be drafting any more talls. We have a decent group, majority of which are young. Some forwards might end up back and backs end up forwards yet. We desperately need to increase our midfield depth and smaller players. I have hope that this year being a good year for talls means we should be able to get some better mids with later picks, with most teams reaching for the talls. Still hoping we can snag 2 picks inside the top 10, and end up with 2 of the top 5 mids of the draft.

Big call if Ballenden turns it on this year. He is essentially ours if we want him.

 

[M Malice]

agree jjami15 , i'm sure we would be asking the question and putting up tentative offers for players like Hopper, Kelly, Martin etc. the worst that can happen is they say no.

Big call if Ballenden turns it on this year. He is essentially ours if we want him.

hypothetical- if we finish 16th-17th and one of the teams above us bid on Ballenden we would almost certainly match it IMO. no way you could pass on a KPF rated number 1-2 in the draft.

 

[chopperduck]

Big call if Ballenden turns it on this year. He is essentially ours if we want him.

Entirely depends what happens with him. 2 picks inside top 10 i want for mids. I happily match and take Ballenden after those 2 picks. If he plays that good that he is bid on early enough to force us to use our 2nd pick, id have another look then. I'm just assuming he slides a lil like most end up doing.

 

[jjami15]

Not to be a pain in the neck but this is the Trade thread.

 

[briztoon]

Not to be a pain in the neck but this is the Trade thread.

You're right.

TLDR in direct response to chopperduck referencing Knighmares comments on the Lions drafting Ballenden and another KPF, don't count on there being many KPP's in the top 12 of the draft, 3 or 4 at best. Ballenden hasn't shown anything "yet this season" for us to have to use one of our first two picks on him. I agree, we should be able to use our first two picks on midfielders or smaller forward types.

 

[dlanod]

And also maybe he wants to continue seeing a weak Brisbane at the bottom of the ladder. Draft another KPF? Jeez louise. Worst draft advice ever.

OTOH That's reading a bit too much into it.

 

[briztoon]

OK, hypothetical what is the first pick in the draft worth?

If Hawthorn finish last and gift St Kilda the number one pick, would you trade Rockliff and the Lions second round pick for pick 1?

 

[13Beast]

OTOH That's reading a bit too much into it.

Tongue firmly in cheek. Shouldn't take everything so literal Dlanod

 

[jjami15]

OK, hypothetical what is the first pick in the draft worth?

If Hawthorn finish last and gift St Kilda the number one pick, would you trade Rockliff and the Lions second round pick for pick 1?

3000points . Every day of the week. Would even do a Rockliff and Ports pick for 1.

 

[RUNVS]

Sorry for coming to your thread but on the Swans board we are discussing how our salary cap position is not exactly brilliant, and with both Reid and Jones both getting big offers from Melbourne based clubs the Swans do not have much room in the cap to offer them more. As a result we got to discussing sending Tippett to another club and because he is from your general area Brisbane seems like a logical choice.

Now the odds of this are tiny, really tiny, but if the Swans said you can have Tippett for a 4th rounder in the trade period, but you have to take his entire final year of his contract, is that something Brisbane would consider?

 

[Billy Puller]

OK, hypothetical what is the first pick in the draft worth?

If Hawthorn finish last and gift St Kilda the number one pick, would you trade Rockliff and the Lions second round pick for pick 1?

Hung

 

[M Malice]

you're welcome anytime RUNVS .

my answer would be- NO!

 

[jjami15]

Sorry for coming to your thread but on the Swans board we are discussing how our salary cap position is not exactly brilliant, and with both Reid and Jones both getting big offers from Melbourne based clubs the Swans do not have much room in the cap to offer them more. As a result we got to discussing sending Tippett to another club and because he is from your general area Brisbane seems like a logical choice.

Now the odds of this are tiny, really tiny, but if the Swans said you can have Tippett for a 4th rounder in the trade period, but you have to take his entire final year of his contract, is that something Brisbane would consider?

No, but we'll have Jones

 

[Kevvo]

Sorry for coming to your thread but on the Swans board we are discussing how our salary cap position is not exactly brilliant, and with both Reid and Jones both getting big offers from Melbourne based clubs the Swans do not have much room in the cap to offer them more. As a result we got to discussing sending Tippett to another club and because he is from your general area Brisbane seems like a logical choice.

Now the odds of this are tiny, really tiny, but if the Swans said you can have Tippett for a 4th rounder in the trade period, but you have to take his entire final year of his contract, is that something Brisbane would consider?

It seems pretty unlikely to me.

Yes, Schache and Hipwood are young, but by the time Tippett rolled in they would both be in their third years and some of our other options (Close, Freeman, Walker) even further on than that. It seems unlikely to me that we'd want a 30 yo comparatively expensive player that would keep either of them out of the side. Stef is a better first choice ruck and we have some decent developing options (Smith and McInerney) in the NEAFL.

We need extra quality or depth in quite a few positions, but Tippett plays none of them.

 

[briztoon]

Sorry for coming to your thread but on the Swans board we are discussing how our salary cap position is not exactly brilliant, and with both Reid and Jones both getting big offers from Melbourne based clubs the Swans do not have much room in the cap to offer them more. As a result we got to discussing sending Tippett to another club and because he is from your general area Brisbane seems like a logical choice.

Now the odds of this are tiny, really tiny, but if the Swans said you can have Tippett for a 4th rounder in the trade period, but you have to take his entire final year of his contract, is that something Brisbane would consider?

We don't have a 4th round pick.

 

[RUNVS]

It seems pretty unlikely to me.

Yes, Schache and Hipwood are young, but by the time Tippett rolled in they would both be in their third years and some of our other options (Close, Freeman, Walker) even further on than that. It seems unlikely to me that we'd want a 30 yo comparatively expensive player that would keep either of them out of the side. Stef is a better first choice ruck and we have some decent developing options (Smith and McInerney) in the NEAFL.

We need extra quality or depth in quite a few positions, but Tippett plays none of them.

Out of interest would that answer be different if Schache was poached? I mean sure you guys are getting Ballenden who looks very promising but he won't be a player you would want playing in the 1st team much in 2018 if it can be avoided?

On a side note I hope you keep Schache. These bloody Victorian clubs are parasites.

 

[Fatcat08]

Sorry for coming to your thread but on the Swans board we are discussing how our salary cap position is not exactly brilliant, and with both Reid and Jones both getting big offers from Melbourne based clubs the Swans do not have much room in the cap to offer them more. As a result we got to discussing sending Tippett to another club and because he is from your general area Brisbane seems like a logical choice.

Now the odds of this are tiny, really tiny, but if the Swans said you can have Tippett for a 4th rounder in the trade period, but you have to take his entire final year of his contract, is that something Brisbane would consider?

I would highly doubt it TBH, for two reasons. With Fagan in as a new coach we seem to be really focused on playing our young players. We have stopgap serviceable forwards with bigger bodies but we're choosing not to use them which says everything you need to know about where we're at. While Tippett is better than our options the fact is he is getting more and more injury prone so I think you could maybe bank on 10-15 games out of him. That reduces his value a fair bit. The other part is that I'm not sure Brisbane would be looking to do the swans any favours from a salary cap level. TBH i'd be more than happy to let them deal with the issues they've created.