List Mgmt. 2017 Trade and Free Agency Discussion - Jay Clark Twitter watch

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  1. VitalDread

    VitalDread The Unofficial Face of Bigfooty Bulldogs

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    Narrrrr he ain't leaving
     

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  2. Willo 17

    Willo 17 Rookie

    Melbourne
    Aug 26, 2017
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    Don't want Stringer, Dahlhaus or Trengrove, not even sure I want Lever. Anymore Hibberd types floating around?.
     
  3. ABray10

    ABray10 Rookie

    Melbourne
    Aug 30, 2017
    32
    Would like to add Lever to partner with Omac and Frost down back and release Tmac to the forward line and spare ruck role, however only if we don't end up badly overpaying for him. Don't want to be in the kind of position where we cripple our trade / draft position for two years on one player. Still it would be great to see him in the red and blue next year.
     
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  4. Willo 17

    Willo 17 Rookie

    Melbourne
    Aug 26, 2017
    47
    Talk in Adelaide is similar to what Carlton did to them with Gibbs, 2 first rounders = overs.
     
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  5. Demonkings

    Demonkings Debutant

    Melbourne
    Jun 25, 2017
    81
    Well I suppose that's for the best. Even if he wanted to leave, we wouldn't realistically stand a chance since we're probably throwing most of our tradeable assets at Lever.

    We'll probably be a lot more appealing to him in a year after we're 2018 premiers anyway
     
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  6. mrmonkey

    mrmonkey Club Legend

    Melbourne
    Dec 3, 2010
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    Melbourne
    I agree I want to see the club trying to still bring in talent through the draft. I can cop this year missing a first rounder but not next years as well, which is meant to be a super draft and the fact it would be 3 years in a row without a first round pick. Though first round picks won't necessarily mean the players we get will be any good. But it still gives us a better shot of landing a gun rather than fluking one later in the draft.
     
  7. Topkent

    Topkent Brownlow Medallist

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    Or we could take a 21 year all Australian defender instead of hoping for one in the draft... people over rate the hell out of picks
     
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  8. ABray10

    ABray10 Rookie

    Melbourne
    Aug 30, 2017
    32
    No doubt he is a gun player, and picks do tend to be overrated, but I don't want to trade two first rounders for an intercept defender. Not necessarily because I think we will draft two better players, but your draft picks are one of your main forms of trade currency and I would like to leave us with some to chase other players as well. A first and a second is fair, and would be putting a reasonably high value on Lever.
     
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  9. Topkent

    Topkent Brownlow Medallist

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    First round is a nominal word that describes 18 picks, in reality if we make finals next year it's pick 10 and 12 say. Would you be OK with losing Hogan for 10 and 12? On the points system that's essentially a top 3 pick or something.

    I'd love to give as little as possible but lever for 10 and 28 would be a steal.
     
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  10. ABray10

    ABray10 Rookie

    Melbourne
    Aug 30, 2017
    32
    I hope Hogan doesn't leave, but if he did want to go then I would be pretty damn happy with pick 10 and 12. While I would be less happy with 10 and 28, I also know realistically that it is a pretty good return for a player who wants to be traded. I also tend to value key forwards higher than defenders and I think that is a fairly common trend across the AFL
     
  11. Topkent

    Topkent Brownlow Medallist

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    Well I disagree with that trend. I reckon Alex Rance is more valuable than Josh Kennedy or Tom Lynch. The way footy is played these days I reckon gun defenders win more games for teams than forwards these days.
     

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  12. 00Stinger

    00Stinger Duel Group 1 winner

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    Yep.
    21 year old AA squad intercept markers dont grow on trees.
    He will be peaking at the same time as Trac, Hogan, Brayshaw, Viney, Oliver & Weed as well.
    He makes so much sense to recruit imo

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  13. Topkent

    Topkent Brownlow Medallist

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    Intercept marking is more important than one on one defending now as well, you never really see one outs where the bloke is leading towards the footy anymore anyway it's all inside zones or out the back. Currently we don't really have anyone who reads the ball strongly in the air and to get the best young player at it in the game would be immense.
     
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  14. VitalDread

    VitalDread The Unofficial Face of Bigfooty Bulldogs

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    Heard Jay Kennedy Harris will be traded mid year so more than likely it still happens
     
  15. wheaters31

    wheaters31 Debutant

    Melbourne
    Oct 10, 2014
    86
    Elaborate please
     
  16. Topkent

    Topkent Brownlow Medallist

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    We re-contracted him later in the year?
    Can't see us getting anything outside a very late pick.
     
  17. 00Stinger

    00Stinger Duel Group 1 winner

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    Yep. The best defenders in the league these days are intercept markers, not one on one defenders

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  18. Topkent

    Topkent Brownlow Medallist

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    Footy has changed. Neither of Hurley or Rance take the best forward anymore. You find a bloke to nullify them and then let the star defenders pick off the poor kicks. McGovern is another who doesn't take the best forward.
     
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  19. mrmonkey

    mrmonkey Club Legend

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    Dec 3, 2010
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    Haha you're probably right as you pointed out he is only 21, I'm just being greedy.
     
  20. Topkent

    Topkent Brownlow Medallist

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    The Melbourne man in me says a first and a second but that's because every supporter wants to win a trade. That would feel like we came out on top. In reality 2x 1sts with Adelaides second either this year or next which would be 33-36 is probably fair.
     
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  21. VitalDread

    VitalDread The Unofficial Face of Bigfooty Bulldogs

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    He's out of contract this year
    Re-signed in 2015 to 2017
    Unless I missed some signings
     
  22. VitalDread

    VitalDread The Unofficial Face of Bigfooty Bulldogs

    Western Bulldogs
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    Just heard hes looking for more games and a fresh start
    Rippa bloke so if melb offer a deal He should take it
     
  23. Devastating Boris

    Devastating Boris Club Legend

    Melbourne
    Apr 21, 2008
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    Canberra
    I heard Carlton were sniffing but pretty sure he got a 1 year extension a few months back.
     
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  24. The Dr

    The Dr Premiership Player

    Melbourne
    Jun 20, 2007
    4,044
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    We'd be lucky to get third rounders for Kent and JKH if they both request trades.

    But if that does happen maybe we can package up three third-rounders for a decent second round pick, assuming that still is attractive for the clubs needing points for academy kids.


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  25. Russian Demon

    Russian Demon Club Legend

    Melbourne
    Mar 26, 2015
    2,192
    Lets keep all the thirds we can! I'd rather half a half dozen speculative kids running around at Casey than the unpicked plodders who have maxed their potential.
     
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