2017 trade/draft thread

[FKASC]

I think Worpel is the odd man out there. He's got the whole "get the ball or die trying" thing going for him

I really think this needs to be our number one priority (should have been for years now).

No one kicks these days anyway. Disposal efficiency is seriously overrated.

It's all about winning contests and rugby throws

 

[Jimmy_the_Gent]

I really think this needs to be our number one priority (should have been for years now).

No one kicks these days anyway. Disposal efficiency is seriously overrated.

It's all about winning contests and rugby throws

Nah, I respectfully disagree.

Plus I don't think we're talking SPP levels of aggression here.

Give me a more well rounded player please. Certainly for our first rounder.

 

[dajesmac]

It's all about winning contests and rugby throws

For now. The game will be different again in 3-4 years.

 

[RookiePick]

Nah, I respectfully disagree.

Plus I don't think we're talking SPP levels of aggression here.

Give me a more well rounded player please. Certainly for our first rounder.

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[eagles rule]

I think Worpel is the odd man out there. He's got the whole "get the ball or die trying" thing going for him but his kicking gets criticised, he's not an amazing athlete and while he's a good size at junior level, he's not going to be a Patrick Cripps in the AFL.

The caveat here is that I usually get these things wrong so he could end up with a Brownlow or two.

Worpel is in because he's a genuine inside midfield not a flanker or a winger that converts to mid ..Hes tough lays tackles and wins clearances and Averaged 4 clearances and 4 IS 50 per game in a team that won one game at the champs ..

His kicking is not elite but not too bad either ..See Gaff ,Yeo ,Duggan Wellingham they are not too flash either and sometimes ithe view can appear worse than it actually is ..

 

[FKASC]

Nah, I respectfully disagree.

Plus I don't think we're talking SPP levels of aggression here.

Give me a more well rounded player please. Certainly for our first rounder.

Well I haven't seen any of the prospective players so can't comment on Worpel, but, basically what RookiePick said.

If our first is a top 5 pick, then sure go for well-rounded, but we just aren't that good at tanking

 

[Jimmy_the_Gent]

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Consider Paddy Dow. Not quite the inside player Worpel is but has agility that allows him to run it out of congestion in the right situation. I'd consider that "more well rounded" than Worpel and it's certainly not a trait that makes him vanilla.

 

[Jimmy_the_Gent]

Worpel is in because he's a genuine inside midfield not a flanker or a winger that converts to mid ..Hes tough lays tackles and wins clearances and Averaged 4 clearances and 4 IS 50 per game in a team that won one game at the champs ..

His kicking is not elite but not too bad either ..See Gaff ,Yeo ,Duggan Wellingham they are not too flash either and sometimes ithe view can appear worse than it actually is ..

Yeah, that's just my take on it. It's not like Worpel won't be drafted or anything, I just think we could get more for our first.

As an aside, I'm looking forward to seeing Worpel do a draft camp sprint. I imagine he'll be pretty average in the agility but might surprise in a straight line sprint.

 

[eagles rule]

Yeah, that's just my take on it. It's not like Worpel won't be drafted or anything, I just think we could get more for our first.

As an aside, I'm looking forward to seeing Worpel do a draft camp sprint. I imagine he'll be pretty average in the agility but might surprise in a straight line sprint.

How do you think Sheed or PCripps went for agility or sprints ??

 

[Jimmy_the_Gent]

How do you think Sheed or PCripps went for agility or sprints ??

I don't know the facts but my best guess would be that Cripps went very badly and, from what I read on here, it sounds like Sheed went below average on both counts but that surprises me a little. I think Sheed's pre-draft reputation was probably incorrect.

Why do you ask? Is it because they're two examples of players who weren't rated athletically but turned out good players anyway?

 

[dajesmac]

How do you think Sheed or PCripps went for agility or sprints ??

From memory I think Sheed was over 3 seconds.

 

[Feeling Groovy]

From memory I think Sheed was over 3 seconds.

Don't know why I think this but wasn't he coming back from injury or illness at the time?

 

[dajesmac]

Don't know why I think this but wasn't he coming back from injury or illness at the time?

Right on both counts. He had the flu at the time of the draft camp (you can actually tell he is sick in his interviews) and he was recovering from a broken collar bone. Not sure how much effect the latter had though.

 

[Dark Sharks]

Get another powerful athlete (Yeo, Venables) with a Dusty like fend off who isn't slow and can win his own ball.


I'd like to watch him develop in the WAFL until 2022

 

[Monocle]

Consider Paddy Dow. Not quite the inside player Worpel is but has agility that allows him to run it out of congestion in the right situation. I'd consider that "more well rounded" than Worpel and it's certainly not a trait that makes him vanilla.

Agree Dow is much more rounded and worthy of a pick in the top 10.
Dow is Pat McGinity with the foot skills of Sheed. Dow is an impressive prospect .

Worley sits in the 13-18 Draft range for me.
Good footballer but I would not want us to spend a sub 12 pick on him.

 

[avishka5]

Agree Dow is much more rounded and worthy of a pick in the top 10.
Dow is Pat McGinity with the foot skills of Sheed. Dow is an impressive prospect .

Worley sits in the 13-18 Draft range for me.
Good footballer but I would not want us to spend a sub 12 pick on him.

Hopefully he has the ball winning ability of priddis or gaff and not McGinnity's.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Don't like Banfield with our 3rd Pick , ok as a rookie pick I guess ..

Based on his work so far in 2017 - Banfield would likely be getting picked this year if he was doing that at East Perth.

We made a mistake in 2016 taking Gorter instead of Banfield, don't let that cloud your judgement in 2017.

 

[FKASC]

Agree Dow is much more rounded and worthy of a pick in the top 10.
Dow is Pat McGinity with the foot skills of Sheed. Dow is an impressive prospect .

Worley sits in the 13-18 Draft range for me.
Good footballer but I would not want us to spend a sub 12 pick on him.

I'm intrigued by the psychological impact of pick numbers on drafting.

Just a wild hunch but reckon over the last decade if you took the average performance of players taken between picks 6-12 and compared them with players taken between 13-19, there wouldnt be much if anything separating them.

I'm probably wrong, but every year there seems to be players taken in that first bracket after the top 5 cream that don't live up to expectations, and players taken in the mid-late teens that absolutely kill it.

You tend to get that phenomenon, maybe it's a cognitive bias, where the teams finishing highest get the players that end up being guns (eg. Hawthorn with Smith, Burton).

2013 is a good example of this, and maybe 2011 too.

Is there as much difference between picks 8 and 18 than we think?

 

[eagles rule]

I don't know the facts but my best guess would be that Cripps went very badly and, from what I read on here, it sounds like Sheed went below average on both counts but that surprises me a little. I think Sheed's pre-draft reputation was probably incorrect.

Why do you ask? Is it because they're two examples of players who weren't rated athletically but turned out good players anyway?

Asked because he would be faster than Sheed or PCripps and a lot of other inside mids but yes will be interested how he tested officially ..

I will also say Worpel was listed 3rd in my choices behind Coffield or Dow but they could slide or might be gone , in which case Worpel is the guy we need ..He should satisfy a lot of needs for guys that want a player with a bit of mongrel and knows how to tackle and go in hard at the ball in and around the centre square..

 

[eagles rule]

Based on his work so far in 2017 - Banfield would likely be getting picked this year if he was doing that at East Perth.

We made a mistake in 2016 taking Gorter instead of Banfield, don't let that cloud your judgement in 2017.

I think I was happy to rookie Banfield last year and actually the players I wanted at pick 45 in this years Mock draft was gone already ,so could this selection of Banfield lasted till our pick 67 ??

where you do you see Banfielder getting drafted 3rd or 4th round ?

 

[Monocle]

Hopefully he has the ball winning ability of priddis or gaff and not McGinnity's.

Strongly disagree.
There was never anything wrong with Badgers ability to win the ball, it was only what he did with it once he got it that was the problem.
If McGinnity had good foot skills he would still be playing today.

 

[avishka5]

Strongly disagree.
There was never anything wrong with Badgers ability to win the ball, it was only what he did with it once he got it that was the problem.
If McGinnity had good foot skills he would still be playing today.

Mcginnity only had 4 games over 20 possessions at AFL and even at WAFL he would have patches of of low disposals count games to go with his higher counts. Guys like Gaff and Priddis(especially in his prime) would consistently above 20 possessions and a low possession game for them is a low 20 possession game. Mcginnity was/is a spud but not even his heart and campaigner nature made up for that.

 

[Monocle]

Mcginnity only had 4 games over 20 possessions at AFL and even at WAFL he would have patches of of low disposals count games to go with his higher counts. Guys like Gaff and Priddis(especially in his prime) would consistently above 20 possessions and a low possession game for them is a low 20 possession game. Mcginnity was/is a spud but not even his heart and campaigner nature made up for that.

Agree to disagree.

He was used as a tagger in many of his games so the possession count is less relevant.
Outside players like Gaff are beneficiaries of the inside mids that put their heads over the ball.

 

[mattyc75]

Mcginnity only had 4 games over 20 possessions at AFL and even at WAFL he would have patches of of low disposals count games to go with his higher counts. Guys like Gaff and Priddis(especially in his prime) would consistently above 20 possessions and a low possession game for them is a low 20 possession game. Mcginnity was/is a spud but not even his heart and campaigner nature made up for that.

Mcginnity Is no star but wasn't used as a ball winning mid,was a tagger or defensive forward at afl level.how many possessions does Cripps get?

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[avishka5]

Agree to disagree.

He was used as a tagger in many of his games so the possession count is less relevant.
Outside players like Gaff are beneficiaries of the inside mids that put their heads over the ball.

Taggers can still find the ball.
I don't think you would find too many pure outside players that win the footy as much as Gaff does, he is one on bloke that will rack the footy while we get dominanted. The only difference is that gaffs touches are more dangerous when the inside mids are on top.