2017 trade/draft thread

[AsterixTheGaul]

I reckon we'll rookie Scott Jones. Especially if Giles and Petrie retire. He's someone who could quite comfortably be the fourth ruckman on a list but still come in and compete in a "break glass in case of emergency" situation.

Pretty good suggestion - a young ruck who can genuinely compete with big men and as you say, an insurance policy.

I was thinking about the Petrie option and while I appreciate what he has done in 2017, we seriously need to youth into to squad and hence Jones looks a much better option. I think we should not be extending him beyond 2017.

Another alternative is Jeremy Goddard as a rookie. He has played most of 2017 in Claremont reserves and he is developing. Still only 19, he has been good in the ruck contest and is starting to deliver more around the ground. Again, not a gun ruckman as yet but these guys do not really flourish until they are mid 20's.

 

[twce13]

duggan has all the tools to be a full time mid. i expect 2018 to a big year for him.

 

[flyinghi64]

We have to be going hard at a premium mid in the 22-27 age bracket (next year age)
Throw the kitchen sink around, 4-6 year deal, anything to lure an A-grader.
Martin/Kelly if there is a hope in hell.
To a lesser extent Acres/Billings/Rocky/Swallow/Matera
At the very least a Hopper type will be better than another forward or back.

 

[nameless]

I do understand your view on why we wouldn't trade him as a club. What I don't understand is why he's so highly rated by many of our fans, he's a solid player but at the end of the he's basically a limited outside player who's unlikely to improve much more than he already has.

As Matty said he's an icing player, and one of the best.

Why take a chance of maybe getting someone better, when we have a very good player already?
Robbing Peter to pay Paul really, if you swap him out for a good inside mid, then who plays wings?

The inconsistent Jetta?
The useless Masten?

Sheed isn't fit enough - but that could come.

I don't think we need to sacrifice a midfielder to get another midfielder who might strengthen our current weakness, but possibly expose another weakness.

 

[Godfather32]

As Matty said he's an icing player, and one of the best.

Why take a chance of maybe getting someone better, when we have a very good player already?
Robbing Peter to pay Paul really, if you swap him out for a good inside mid, then who plays wings?

The inconsistent Jetta?
The useless Masten?

Sheed isn't fit enough - but that could come.

I don't think we need to sacrifice a midfielder to get another midfielder who might strengthen our current weakness, but possibly expose another weakness.

I just don't think he offers us enough to be untouchable and I really like Acres, he's obviously not as good now but I think he might end up the better player. And if we got a top 10 pick as well out of it I think it's worth discussing. It's obviously a risky move but I think if we want a quick rebuild to try and capitalise before we see the end of guys like Kennedy and Nic Nat then we need to make some drastic moves.

 

[Barney44]

Know most won't think its a good idea but I'm starting to think McInness should get another year. In the best form of his career at the moment and is starting to take marks forward. Can be a handy back up forward or ruck, especially when we have two ruckman coming off serious injuries and a 30yo tall forward who will start getting leg muscle injuries.

There will pleanty of other players to delist so making list spots won't be an issue.

 

[nameless]

I just don't think he offers us enough to be untouchable and I really like Acres, he's obviously not as good now but I think he might end up the better player. And if we got a top 10 pick as well out of it I think it's worth discussing. It's obviously a risky move but I think if we want a quick rebuild to try and capitalise before we see the end of guys like Kennedy and Nic Nat then we need to make some drastic moves.

Absolutely, I'm not saying you're wrong or it absolutely won't happen.

There is merit to trading him, as there was with Darling last year.
But we'd need to get a really good deal from him, like an absolute top player (I would have thought we could pry Acres away without having to give up so much).

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Know most won't think its a good idea but I'm starting to think McInness should get another year. In the best form of his career at the moment and is starting to take marks forward. Can be a handy back up forward or ruck, especially when we have two ruckman coming off serious injuries and a 30yo tall forward who will start getting leg muscle injuries.

There will pleanty of other players to delist so making list spots won't be an issue.

I said this in another thread but if Petrie retires along with Giles then it's definitely worth giving him another year on the rookie list.

Petrie, Tunbridge and Snadden would open up three rookie list spots which is plenty.

 

[eagles rule]

I just don't think he offers us enough to be untouchable and I really like Acres, he's obviously not as good now but I think he might end up the better player. And if we got a top 10 pick as well out of it I think it's worth discussing. It's obviously a risky move but I think if we want a quick rebuild to try and capitalise before we see the end of guys like Kennedy and Nic Nat then we need to make some drastic moves.

A drastic move to get a good pick may involve something like Hawks did with Croad ..

 

[Godfather32]

Absolutely, I'm not saying you're wrong or it absolutely won't happen.

There is merit to trading him, as there was with Darling last year.
But we'd need to get a really good deal from him, like an absolute top player (I would have thought we could pry Acres away without having to give up so much).

The extra top 10 pick is what I'm really after, if we nail 2 top 10 picks this year it'll go a long way.
I just don't see any truly top players we can get in a trade this off season.

 

[eagles rule]

The extra top 10 pick is what I'm really after, if we nail 2 top 10 picks this year it'll go a long way.
I just don't see any truly top players we can get in a trade this off season.

Would you trade Gov to Freo for the 1st pick plus something else ..?

 

[KO_KO]

Would you trade Gov to Freo for the 1st pick plus something else ..?

Interesting question.

First reaction is hell no, however, we are probably the only AFL team with 3 high quality hbérs who can intercept mark. With barrass and Yeo, if Gov wants to go, I would do it.

 

[Godfather32]

Would you trade Gov to Freo for the 1st pick plus something else ..?

Probably not, I'd rate him as one of our top 5 players and we may eventually need him to play as a key forward permanently.

 

[eagles rule]

Probably not, I'd rate him as one of our top 5 players and we may eventually need him to play as a key forward permanently.

Would need big balls to do it but wce could probably try to combine both the 1st picks for the No 1 pick and a. 2 nd rd pick from Carlton or Brisbane ..

 

[Godfather32]

Would need big balls to do it but wce could probably try to combine both the 1st picks for the No 1 pick and a. 2 nd rd pick from Carlton or Brisbane ..

Not sure it's worth it, you'd want to be pretty sure whoever you were picking at number 1 was going to be and absolute A-grader

 

[avishka5]

Just read Knightmare's top 20 prospects. Anyone else agree with him about Higgins lack of impact. Imo it not the type we need.
Worpol looks like a type we need.

 

[mattyc75]

Know most won't think its a good idea but I'm starting to think McInness should get another year. In the best form of his career at the moment and is starting to take marks forward. Can be a handy back up forward or ruck, especially when we have two ruckman coming off serious injuries and a 30yo tall forward who will start getting leg muscle injuries.

There will pleanty of other players to delist so making list spots won't be an issue.

It often get said that we are great at picking and developing talls.I think this is reasonably true apart from key forwards,we are actually pretty shite in that department.the fact that Mcinnes is still on our list is only due to our poor kpf stocks.
You may be right tho he may get gifted another year but let's be honest its not because he's carving it up in the wafl.


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[eagles rule]

Not sure it's worth it, you'd want to be pretty sure whoever you were picking at number 1 was going to be and absolute A-grader

At the worst Wce would have 2 top 10 picks and a probably upgraded 2 nd rd pick ..

 

[dajesmac]

Just read Knightmare's top 20 prospects. Anyone else agree with him about Higgins lack of impact. Imo it not the type we need.
Worpol looks like a type we need.

Not really. But I don't see as much of him as KM so I can't say that with conviction.

Worpel has talent but is a bit of a butcher IMO - not really a top ten talent.

 

[garlic munchers]

Yeah i agree completely with this. When our midfield was going well in 2015 he looked like a gun becasue he was playing his role on the wing to perfection. Now that our midfield is rubbish he is getting bashed from pillar to post and in turn his disposal has been terrible.

If we are genuinely rebuilding then we can afford to offload Gaff and our 2nd to say Melbourne, where their inside hand ball happy mids can put it down his throat. He's a better fit for the Demons than the Saints and the Demons can give us Hogan in return.

Lycett to Adelaide with our first for McGovern and hey presto we have the AFL's best ever forward line that gets a grand total of 22 inside 50's per game to share between themselves until we can rebuild the midfield as we go out of finals contention.

 

[Godfather32]

At the worst Wce would have 2 top 10 picks and a probably upgraded 2 nd rd pick ..

Not worth giving up Gov for that imo, maybe if it was for a guaranteed A-grade midfielder

 

[eagles rule]

Not worth giving up Gov for that imo, maybe if it was for a guaranteed A-grade midfielder

Yeah ok I was responding to your aim to gain 2 1st rd picks btw and saw a obvious answer..

 

[Godfather32]

Yeah ok I was responding to your aim to gain 2 1st rd picks btw and saw a obvious answer..

I would probably think about trading McGovern for 2 x high first rounders. Sorry, with my Gaff trade I meant one 1st rounder and then with our current pick that would make two top 10 picks we'd have, not that I'd want two 1st rounders for Gaff.

 

[Falco]

I'd keep Snadden on the list for another year. He seems to be developing well, and look what happened to Main after we delisted him? He started performing in the WAFL and people are suggesting we re-draft him. If we give Snadden another year (who is showing more than Main at the same age/time on the list) think about what he could be capable of as a full time mid next year for the Royals. Throw in Rotham as a winger instead of a third defensive tall and we could have some good talent developing on the list in 2018 on top of who we draft.

 

[avishka5]

Not really. But I don't see as much of him as KM so I can't say that with conviction.

Worpel has talent but is a bit of a butcher IMO - not really a top ten talent.

Can his kicking be worked on?
Would love a player like him in the middle.
They said spp's kicking was bad last year but he seems to have no issues.