2017 trade/draft thread

[TheHumanShoe]

Not much of a guess when I mentioned it this morning

Don't take my moment away from me.

 

[WCErevival]

Hearing murtimur wants a move back to Victoria .

Not worth much maybe a straight swap with declan Mountford ?

Didnt he just sign another year? No great loss if he does go

 

[LewyBroome]

Lewy as promised I will give some thought now that the working day is passed and I sit in my study quaffing on a Pinot Noir.


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Let me preface this by saying that I am by no means an expert at this, more so an avid draft watcher, who spends way too many hours watching and studying underage football, both live and on tape. I generally watch 3-5 games of the Championships live and then most games of foxtel.
Business has allowed me over the years to watch many games live in Melbourne and catch some TAC games as well.
I know its pretty sad when you plan your business trips around the Under 18 Championships and TAC Cup game scheduling.

Re : Our first pick .

Let me start by saying IMO who will be off the Board come our pick.
In no particular order.

Brander, Rayner, Fogarty D, Dow, Cerra, LDU.

Thats six gone.

Then from that point on its a bit of a crap shoot very much depending on the Clubs needs there will be various and varying priorities.

In the mix for the rest of the first round IMO are the following at this point in time.

Once again in no particular order.

Stephenson, Coffield, O'Brien, Clark, Brayshaw, Higgins, Hayes,Constable, Naughton.

Let me state that every player on that list has some great strengths and some weaknesses.

I will go in the order listed above.

Stephenson: Very talented , very skillfull, very outside very much icing on the cake.
Blistering pace and very good overhead.
Has the ability to hurt you badly in eight minutes of devastating football.
Trouble is he doesn't do it often enough.
I question his short kicking game and his ability to find his own football.

Coffield: If you were after a great leader and a talented negating HBF he would be your first pick. He does play some midfield minutes but hasn't mastered the craft YET for my liking. No question he projects AFL quality, just where he best fits positionally is still to be determined.
Can he become the big bodied mid at 190 cm and 83 kg....... maybe.

O'Brien: Mr Smooth. One of the best kicks in this years cohort by some margin. Ticks a lot of boxes super quick, runs all day ( will blitz the endurance test ) has competed and is ranked by State (Vic ) and Nationally in athletics top 5 in his field for his age group. You want the ball in his hands going forward as he hit targets with monotonous regularity. Very much an outside player and he will need to develop the ability to get his own football otherwise he is in for a tough introduction to AFL. But the dominant left foot is rapier like.

Clark: I think I have already given a pretty detailed critique of him in several posts previously. I think he has a lot of upside.

Brayshaw: Quality Kid . Quality Pick. Probably the most genuine midfielder in this cluster of players. Does most things well in the midfield and is one of the cleverest midfielders in the cohort. Has good separation with out a burst speed and has great vision. Hard at it and very team orientated. But he is only a midfielder and thats not a huge knock on him but its a consideration as he doesn't have any other position that he can play. That said he tick all the boxes you want a midfielder to tick.

Higgins: Has had a terrific year and also has an unbelievable work ethic. Still questions concerning.... is he a small forward first and foremost or will he translate into a player who can be a mid thats also a goal kicker. TBH not a bad question to have to ask of you. He is very impactful and his short game is much better as he doesn't have much of a long game. That said he does all the pressure acts and does them well at 178 and 76 he is a ferocious tackler. I sort of get that you get to pick a player here that ticks two potential boxes small forward / midfielder with one pick. Given we are in need of both, not a bad prospect .

Hayes: This kid frustrates the shit out of me as one day I watch him and see the hype and the next I see a big tall kid that reminds me of Robbie Warnock , meaning if he wasn't 203 cm would we even be rating him. Look no doubt he is athletic but he also looks like a giraffe at times and so "unco".... and yes I know thats a contradiction ... but so is Hayes. Is he a key forward or a ruck man..... at this point in time I think he is a long term ruck prospect that needs five years in the system to develop, he is a handy forward at TAC level but he just doesn't have the strength YET to impact at the next level.

Constable: He is a bit of an enigma in so much as he doesn't have a lot of pace and yet he just manages to find the football in close and then has this uncanny knack of getting to where the ball is going to be next. Very good foot skills and reads the play brilliantly. He is a pretty polished player. At this point in time I want to see more of how he closes the season out as with Sandringham, as he will play finals for sure. I don't mind this kids skill set just his lack of pace worries me.

Naughton: After the Championships I had a late first to early second round grade on him. However his work post Championships at Peel in the Seniors has had me project him higher up the draft draft board. The kid just intercept marks everything that comes his way. He is a scary KPD prospect at just 18 years of age. Now no way to hide his shit left footed kicking style..... yet ..... what can you say its generally effective.
Exciting prospect thats for sure. Looking forward to see how he performs in the WAFL final as this may catapult him up draft boards.

So to answer your question Lewy I do see Clark in the mix for our first but he is by no means my first want at this point in time.

Of the talent I mentioned above I would cross Hayes and Stephenson of my list of WC needs .

I look forward to the rest of the season as I jostle players up and down my draft board.

Front runners for me at this juncture are Brayshaw, Higgins and Clark on a needs basis.

Naughton as a talent intrigues me but not a position of need ........ such is the dilemma of recruiting and drafting.

And apologies if this post is too long.

More on the second pick at a latter point in time.

Thanks, Monocle.

Great write up, I'm really not into O'Brien with our first, watched some of him and seen in person watching a family relative who plays for Oakleigh, l think we need someone to hit the ground running, he's just got alot of contested ball winning skills to make up. Clark or Higgins fit that need, both unsociable types. Clark's foot skills in traffic are beside the point, his speed away from traffic is the big ++++++ and able to use both sides, many times in videos he will use both sides weather forced onto that side or not, says alot about his skill in both feet.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

so with butts calling time were already down to 36-5.

from rookie list I think we will retain snadden and mcinnes.

I have a feeling we will put giles on the rookie list.
from main list i think we will lose one of lecras or hill. And I think at least one other play will leave.
leaving 33-3.

LeCras sounding like he's going on one more year. Guessing MacKenzie will go on too, unless he gets a better offer from somewhere else.

Giles will probably "retire" and get paid out. Hill I think is gone, Wellingham might get offered a one year deal.

I have a feeling Lamb will head home one way or another.

That'd cut us down to 33 on the senior list giving us six or seven spots to fill. Watson might be one of those.

 

[mattyc75]

Angus might want a fresh start with all his head knocks.

Maybe he won't remember which side of the country he usually lives on

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[Feeling Groovy]

That'd cut us down to 33 on the senior list giving us six or seven spots to fill. Watson might be one of those.

It's quite scary when it would be easy to name another 3 to 5 (or is that 5 to 3 in Vish talk) players that really aren't offering that much (in some cases they did but no longer). Not to be negative but it does show we have some pretty deep list issues and as much as I want to go to the draft, I think we do need a couple of ready made players under 24 or so to replace some of our list. Whether that is mature agers in the draft or through trading but we can't have a list of 18 and 19 year olds.

 

[WCErevival]

It's quite scary when it would be easy to name another 3 to 5 (or is that 5 to 3 in Vish talk) players that really aren't offering that much (in some cases they did but no longer). Not to be negative but it does show we have some pretty deep list issues and as much as I want to go to the draft, I think we do need a couple of ready made players under 24 or so to replace some of our list. Whether that is mature agers in the draft or through trading but we can't have a list of 18 and 19 year olds.

Guys like Masten, hutch, schofield etc will provide solid depth

 

[Yamumluvsbigcox]

Didnt he just sign another year? No great loss if he does go

Mutimer ?

 

[Chris_6678]

Didn't he re-sign for 2 more years? Disappointing if it is the case as he has showed a bit.

Where did you hear that?

 

[new breed]

Mountford looks a very handy player , regular AFL player albeit in the bottom side ....

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Didn't he re-sign for 2 more years? Disappointing if it is the case as he has showed a bit.

Where did you hear that?

Signed a two year deal in May, I'd be very surprised if he'd changed his mind that quickly.

 

[Monocle]

Mountford looks a very handy player , regular AFL player albeit in the bottom side ....

Straight swap Mountford for Lamb.

I am hearing that Mountford wants to come home.

 

[twce13]

It's quite scary when it would be easy to name another 3 to 5 (or is that 5 to 3 in Vish talk) players that really aren't offering that much (in some cases they did but no longer). Not to be negative but it does show we have some pretty deep list issues and as much as I want to go to the draft, I think we do need a couple of ready made players under 24 or so to replace some of our list. Whether that is mature agers in the draft or through trading but we can't have a list of 18 and 19 year olds.

i dunno, i'm not sure i like the idea of giving our MC the option of robbing young kids game time at AFL level.

 

[Feeling Groovy]

Guys like Masten, hutch, schofield etc will provide solid depth

Yes they do/will provide solid depth but we also have in the potential depth category: Le Cras (who I think we will retain but who is on a downward trend), Wellingham (who has all the skills but has been bloody ordinary this year), Cripps (who at his best is decent and probably not depth but I think it would be great to have a forward who offers more scoreboard impact), McKenzie (whose best appears past him and maybe isn't in out best defensive structure), Vardy (who hopefully will improve with another preseason but isn't a walk up start), Jetta (6 or so good games in two seasons just isn't enough), Karps (who shows glimpses of silk but it is only glimpses after a long time on the list). Tunbridge, McInnes, Gorter, and probably Bayok on the rookie list. That is without looking closely at the young guys (I realise some of those listed are young guys) who may or may not make it.

I understand not every player can be a star and all teams need depth but it wouldn't be that hard to make a case for culling some/most of them (Vardy and Cripps) excluded if we didn't already have the obligatory three list changes.

 

[new breed]

Straight swap Mountford for Lamb.

I am hearing that Mountford wants to come home.

Mountford looks intense and competitive a straight swap could be a chance but unlikely , we need to play Lamb this week and feed him goals .

 

[Chris_6678]

Straight swap Mountford for Lamb.

I am hearing that Mountford wants to come home.

Is he any good? But surely an upgrade on Lamb.

 

[Dark Sharks]

I'd rather keep Lamb than Mountford.

Also rather our MC actually gives Lamb a game FFS.

 

[Feeling Groovy]

i dunno, i'm not sure i like the idea of giving our MC the option of robbing young kids game time at AFL level.

I was thinking of players that are still young but missed on being drafted in the last couple of years. Banfield and Kelly have been mentioned by others. Not that I have seen them play. With a couple of trades for young players with some potential. Mountford etc. A lot will depend on how many we lose.

 

[nameless]

LeCras sounding like he's going on one more year. Guessing MacKenzie will go on too, unless he gets a better offer from somewhere else.

Giles will probably "retire" and get paid out. Hill I think is gone, Wellingham might get offered a one year deal.

I have a feeling Lamb will head home one way or another.

That'd cut us down to 33 on the senior list giving us six or seven spots to fill. Watson might be one of those.

Wellingham won't take 1 year, he'll go to GWS for more cash and premiership.

With all these guys going, we'll have plenty of cash to wave at Kelly / Martin.

 

[mattyc75]

Wellingham won't take 1 year, he'll go to GWS for more cash and premiership.

With all these guys going, we'll have plenty of cash to wave at Kelly / Martin.

Interesting thought on wellingham.I would've thought he came to.west coast because he wanted to come home

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[AsterixTheGaul]

I'd rather keep Lamb than Mountford.

Also rather our MC actually gives Lamb a game FFS.

Problem is that our club does not know where or how to play him. He needs a role that keeps him accountable. I would normally say HBF/3rd tall defender with some run and carry but I am not sure he would cope with the zone defence and guarding space.

Lamb is probably the better talent but Mountford is probably the better option for us.

 

[nameless]

Interesting thought on wellingham.I would've thought he came to.west coast because he wanted to come home

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That would have been the reason a few years ago, at a guess, I think now he'd look to get the most money from what's left of his career.

We won't offer more than 1 year, GWS seem happy to take older players on a few years.

 

[mattyc75]

That would have been the reason a few years ago, at a guess, I think now he'd look to get the most money from what's left of his career.

We won't offer more than 1 year, GWS seem happy to take older players on a few years.

True but I think gws would have absolutely no use for him at all.I can't see him being used in a mentor/back up told like mzungo or deboer he just doesn't seem like the solid citizen they would want for that role

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[bl4ke]

so with butts calling time were already down to 36-5.

from rookie list I think we will retain snadden and mcinnes.

I have a feeling we will put giles on the rookie list.
from main list i think we will lose one of lecras or hill. And I think at least one other play will leave.
leaving 33-3.

Surely we wouldn't be idiotic enough to rookie list McInnes again. Tunbridge will 100% be delisted too. Gorter can join him, we should never have got him in the first place.

 

[Here2tellyouwhy]